Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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Just two more weeks!

PRIGOZHIN: I wish the battle for Bakhmut would be over in 2 weeks, it's horrible!
MONKEY-PUTIN'S PAW: **Curls a finger**

 

[Bunny Wigglesworth]

Poland to ramp up ammunition production capacity to meet Ukraine's needs​

Polish ammunition manufacturer Dezamet, part of the state-owned Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa (PGZ), is to drastically increase its ammunition production capacity in order to be able to provide adequate supplies to Ukraine.

Source: Mateusz Morawiecki, Prime Minister of Poland, in an interview with RMF FM, a Polish radio station

Details: Morawiecki made the announcement ahead of the visit of EU Internal Market Commissioner Thierry Breton, which is scheduled for Monday 27 March.

Dezamet, which manufactures ammunition for artillery, mortars and grenade launchers, is one of more than 50 arms manufacturers in the PGZ group.

"This manufacturing facility can count on [receiving] more orders and funds. We will launch new production lines at this and other ammunition production facilities," Morawiecki said when asked about Breton’s forthcoming visit to the plant.

"We want to increase our production capacity by several times as quickly as possible," he added.

The Polish Prime Minister underscored that he is counting on private firms in Poland to ramp up their ammunition production as well.

PGZ CEO Sebastian Chwałek said on Friday that the group is planning to hire several thousand new personnel, in addition to the 20,000 staff it currently employs.

As Fighting Rages On At The Front, Thousands Join Ukraine's Offensive Guard​

The gist: Interior Ministry of Ukraine says it has the fresh troops it needs for offensives, but without substantial advanced weapons the West continues to be skittish about providing such as F-16’s & long-range strike systems to hit behind contact lines, many mil experts say they’re unlikely to make major gains. The longer da West thinks offensives can be won without modern offensive weapons, the more I think smaller vulnerable nations like Taiwan & South Korea are going to nuke up as a deterrent.

 

[Pork Packer]

The new cope upload will be that the incompetent Hohols can never break through glorious Russian defense lines. Russia always excels on the defense. Defense is what the Russian Armies tanks are meant for.

Having watched the narrative shift over the last year or so, my prediction is retconning the whole invasion as a "punitive raid which utterly broke Ukraine and crippled the west into inevitable downfall" and then smugging over Ukraine not invading russia back as proof of victory, and spinning any and all geopolitical or economic turbulence for the next decade or two as irrefutable proof russia won "The long game", even if russia straight up goes full warlord era in real time and winds up as a giant frigid central africa tier hellzone on krokadil, and the worst the west suffers is trade bickering and fears of a minor recession

And if russia "cucks out" by agreeing to muhreparations and handing putin and co over to be Gaddafi'd, or straight up Ceausescuing them en masse to try and lay the groundwork for some kind of future beyond being a miserable third world shitshow subject to every sanction a western gubmint might dream up for easy and risk-free "hard line foreign policy" points, it will be unceremoniously dumped as a filthy globohomo sellout and they will move onto the next fashionable authoritarian figurehead to spin as the new Adolfideleninoriegauşescungernsternbergaddafidiaminapoleon who will free the world of globohomo degeneracy or whatever else is fashionable for mindless edgelord autists to latch on to at that time

 

[Null]

this guy's smug ass slurring alcoholic voice makes me wish a t-14 would crash through his room and mangle him into the treads

it's very hard to justify not supporting russia when these are the people you end up in the same group without. it's like saying "I don't support the war" and then a British troon personally hugs you and kisses you on the cheek with blue and yellow lipstick that leaves a mark on your face in the shape of a cock

 

[Malignant Cinnamon]

this guy's smug ass slurring alcoholic voice makes me wish a t-14 would crash through his room and mangle him into the treads

it's very hard to justify not supporting russia when these are the people you end up in the same group without. it's like saying "I don't support the war" and then a British troon personally hugs you and kisses you on the cheek with blue and yellow lipstick that leaves a mark on your face in the shape of a cock

"So rise to your feet every pony"
That's it. That's as far as I could get.
Fuck me, dude. I still get caught off guard by autism of that level.
Talking about fucking ponies when discussing military equipment.
0/10 Troon trash.

 

[Null]

Talking about fucking ponies when discussing military equipment.

equipment with 3 conscripted young men in it.

the glee at which the prog element in the west froths at the mouth with literal bloodlust at the mere prospect that a man might die because he is ill-equipped, just because they are russian, really is staggering. it's a sort of jingoistic frenzy that I was led to believe my entire life is an old, antiquated, and undesirable trait only found in shithole authoritarian countries like Russia.

Even in the height of the anti-terrorism frenzy in the US after 9/11, people were proud of the US military, not necessarily wanting to see mangled raghead bodies. In this instance, it's kind of a proxy war, so you can't really be like "GOD DAMN THE UKRAINIANS ARE SO FUCKING AWESOME THEY ARE LIKE COSSAKS N SHEET."

 

[WhiteNight]

it's very hard to justify not supporting russia when these are the people you end up in the same group without. it's like saying "I don't support the war" and then a British troon personally hugs you and kisses you on the cheek with blue and yellow lipstick that leaves a mark on your face in the shape of a cock

Political coalitions have always been like this though:

• Back in the day, Dworkin-type feminists teamed up with Jesus freaks to try to ban porn.
• AIPAC and ADL make common cause with apocalyptic evangelicals supporting Israel.
• Libertarian farmers join with urban anarchist stoner NEETs.
• TERFs break with the majority of feminists they share values with to join conservatives against troons.
• Red state fundamentalist Christians and rich educated godless Republicans keep winding up on the same side.
• Something something the world wars.

You work with the allies you have. So it has always been.

 

[Pork Packer]

this guy's smug ass slurring alcoholic voice makes me wish a t-14 would crash through his room and mangle him into the treads

You'd have to get it moving first

it's very hard to justify not supporting russia when these are the people you end up in the same group without. it's like saying "I don't support the war" and then a British troon personally hugs you and kisses you on the cheek with blue and yellow lipstick that leaves a mark on your face in the shape of a cock

Blame that on the russians for managing to make currentday globohomo look like the better option, both in terms of morality and in terms of basic fucking competence.

If it makes you feel better, look on it the same way you would some reddit troon brigade flailing furiously online at some recently outed pedofork pastor in a red state.

No matter how cancerous and pathetic they are, it doesnt detract from the fact said pastor is a literal kid fucker, at most it merely gives one extra reason to despise him for giving them more of an excuse to be cancerous and pathetic

 

[DumbDude43]

Even in the height of the anti-terrorism frenzy in the US after 9/11, people were proud of the US military, not necessarily wanting to see mangled raghead bodies.

because ragheads are pee oh cee
it didn't take long after 9/11 until the "oy vey don't be islamophobic!" narrative started kicking in. not in the initial stages of afghanistan, but by the time iraq rolled around, it was already going strong.
russians on the other hand are toxic white males, so there's no restrictions on hating them

 

[Tactical Wizard]

"So rise to your feet every pony"
That's it. That's as far as I could get.
Fuck me, dude. I still get caught off guard by autism of that level.
Talking about fucking ponies when discussing military equipment.
0/10 Troon trash.

equipment with 3 conscripted young men in it.

the glee at which the prog element in the west froths at the mouth with literal bloodlust at the mere prospect that a man might die because he is ill-equipped, just because they are russian, really is staggering. it's a sort of jingoistic frenzy that I was led to believe my entire life is an old, antiquated, and undesirable trait only found in shithole authoritarian countries like Russia.

Even in the height of the anti-terrorism frenzy in the US after 9/11, people were proud of the US military, not necessarily wanting to see mangled raghead bodies. In this instance, it's kind of a proxy war, so you can't really be like "GOD DAMN THE UKRAINIANS ARE SO FUCKING AWESOME THEY ARE LIKE COSSAKS N SHEET."

That’s factually inaccurate. In his video on how the Moskva was sunk, he actually asks that viewers not cheer due to the human cost and he cites a Russian Sailor who is still listed as missing so that the government won’t have to pay death benefits to the family. He reiterates this position in his round table video.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

@Null:

> T-14: dosen't fucking exists, no, THIS SHIT ISN'T EXISTING AS A MTB, they have so-called prototypes and pre-serial produced ones for make some testing. Something like Enterprise (OV-101) a partially functional mookup, but not a orbiter.
> sperg over internets: sperging about T-14.

 

[East_Clintwood]

You can own one in the UK, though it can't have a working gun and you can't drive it on the road, because there's no way to license it. The former is relatively easy to fix if you know what you're doing, and the latter... who's going to stop you? But of course, nobody would do that. It's rude.

Actually you can own one with a live gun, assuming you can get the appropriate Firearms Certificate. In fact there's a place in the UK currently selling a Scorpion with a live 76mm gun. Similarly they can be licensed for road use, but in typical government fashion they make it as much of a ballache as humanly possible, however there's some out there already registered meaning it's perfectly legal to drive down to the local Tesco, assuming you have a category H license.

 

[No bullying allowed]

it's very hard to justify not supporting russia when these are the people you end up in the same group without. it's like saying "I don't support the war" and then a British troon personally hugs you and kisses you on the cheek with blue and yellow lipstick that leaves a mark on your face in the shape of a cock

Fair enough, but it's not like the opposing camp is full of well-adjusted individuals, either.

I've got my stance on the war and it's not grounded in what group of people I find the most based or who makes the funniest tweets.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Fair enough, but it's not like the opposing camp is full of well-adjusted individuals, either.

I've got my stance on the war and it's not grounded in what group of people I find the most based or who makes the funniest tweets.

For me it's first and foremost preserving the territorial integrity of a sovereign nation that has been invaded, and secondly ensuring there is justice for those who have been victimized by this war. War is never anything more noble or glorious than a necessary evil, and even then only in the case of self-defense.

Wars of aggression are just murder on a national scale.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Even in the height of the anti-terrorism frenzy in the US after 9/11, people were proud of the US military, not necessarily wanting to see mangled raghead bodies.

Because that war wasn't a war between countries (no, really - it was productplaced as a war against certain people, not entire nations. It wasn't a conquer of Afghanistan, but liberation of poor Afghans). This war is a good ol' war between countries, where it is important to just kill enemies soldiers for the future peace (simple: less soldiers the enemy will have after war it will be easier to avoid another war).

Wait some time, kill-count will probably go to around 1,5-2 millions (soldiers of both sides, civilians and so one) vefore new years eve 2024/2025 and you will see even more dehumanization of enemy. If we are in timeline when ruzzia is going to full Yeltsin shit era you will even be a withness how media didn't give a single fuck for another bomb in some ruzzkie city.

Why it is always going this way? Because it is a important cope mechanism. It is easier to give money for ammo or shoot to a crewed vehicle when you aren't beliving that the enemy is a human being, which was once a kid, had family, beloved dog and probably he knows Star Wars. Extreme important mechanism when situation evolves into endgame, when it will be a need to decide what to do with ethnic groups in wrong places.

 

[Null]

For me it's first and foremost preserving the territorial integrity of a sovereign nation that has been invaded, and secondly ensuring there is justice for those who have been victimized by this war. War is never anything more noble or glorious than a necessary evil, and even then only in the case of self-defense.

Wars of aggression are just murder on a national scale.

You could easily make an opposing case that the moral decay present in the west justifies necessary evil to stop its spread. The issue is that Russia, being one of the few countries in the world that has actually blocked the Kiwi Farms (and for a stupid VK meme), has no attractive counters. It has less freedom of expression, the highest abortion rate in the western world, and seems to fail at anything it attempts to do which is not harvesting its own natural resources and selling it to more productive countries.

The brain drain from Russia is very real but not present in Asian countries. China and Vietnam are growing and retaining their brightest, and when they do go overseas there's always a sense of loyalty to those countries. The Chinese I met definitely have an attitude that's like, "I like living here but if I had to choose between X and China I'd go back home."

Every part of me wants to like Russia but I don't see a bulwark against degeneracy, I see a complot of Jewish bankers and business oligarchs using a boogeyman of Nazism to justify stripping people of freedom and invading foreign countries, while extoling the virtues of their diverse and mutli-ethnic country, building mosques to show how thoughtful they are. It is literally the exact same thing as the West except shittier.

They said that peace with Ukraine was impossible after the 2014 Iron Maiden CIA color revolution, but what was SVR doing? Where is their Otto von Bismarck wielding pen and sword to achieve his ambitions? It's just not there.

 

[Clownish]

3rd Assault Brigade Azov showing off the loot they took from the VDV.
He mentions that the VDV are pussies since they hid in their dugout, so they tossed grenades at them.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

For me it's first and foremost preserving the territorial integrity of a sovereign nation

For our perspective - just random anons from over the world, you know, working or NEET-ing class and so one - most improtant thing is that the borders will be impossible to chagne due to war.

No, really - when your government (left winged, right winged, in Gambia, Slovakia, Nicaragua or whenever you live - this isn't important) will be sure as hell that starting a war to acquire some territory isn't a option because at the end of a day they will be fucked, screved, hanged and raped by international community (and acquire zero territory) it will have no need for conscripts or going into war economy. And this is good for working class - you know, is better to have worries about mortgage, troons that read books, how a game is harrasing some minority, bills from ICU unit without fear of being mobilized because your contry wants to take their historical territory and save your brothers on the other side of border (also true when your country could be a target of revindication or revanchism - less fear of being invaded is less need for defenders of fatherland).

 

[Foltest]

They said that peace with Ukraine was impossible after the 2014 Iron Maiden CIA color revolution, but what was SVR doing? Where is their Otto von Bismarck wielding pen and sword to achieve his ambitions? It's just not there.

Peace was impossible after Russia annexed Crimea and popped up their puppets in Donbass.
Any sense of brotherhood between those two nations, is buried six feet under.
Also, Calling Euromadian a CIA backed Colour revolution take away the agency of the Ukrainian people.

 

[Pork Packer]

You could easily make an opposing case that the moral decay present in the west justifies necessary evil to stop its spread.

Call me crazy but twitter troons, dangerhairs, and woke consoomer garbage being a thing in the west doesn't make a war of conquest and aggression a "necessary evil", no matter what extremely hypothetical pure and uncucked tradbased country does it. Especially when those who will be killed and have their lives destroyed in such a war will be run of the mill normies, while the useless asshole fringe that constitutes the woke troon mob will be the first to GTFO using the money and connections that bought them their status at the moment.

Like, I may hold places such as San Fransisco and Portland and such in existential contempt for a thousand thousand different reasons, but even assuming 99.99% of their inhabitants were the cliched limp wristed fagfuck soylent slurpers they are stereotyped as, and not the same wage earning, family loving, non obnoxious normies as you will find anywhere else in the world that they are, would unironically be fucking horrified if some LARPing bunch of pretend nazi neckbeards and autists wound up going full Rwanda on them.

If a country cant present a viable alternative to this latest wave of westoid elite degeneracy to prevent it taking root in its borders, it has no fucking business trying to force its gayass bullshit on anyone else.

Peace was impossible after Russia annexed Crimea and popped up their puppets in Donbass.
Any sense of brotherhood between those two nations, is buried six feet under.
Also, Calling Euromadian a CIA backed Colour revolution take away the agency of the Ukrainian people.

1776 was a Bourbon backed color revolution against the democratically selected leadership of the colonies.