Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[mindlessobserver]

equipment with 3 conscripted young men in it.

the glee at which the prog element in the west froths at the mouth with literal bloodlust at the mere prospect that a man might die because he is ill-equipped, just because they are russian, really is staggering. it's a sort of jingoistic frenzy that I was led to believe my entire life is an old, antiquated, and undesirable trait only found in shithole authoritarian countries like Russia.

Even in the height of the anti-terrorism frenzy in the US after 9/11, people were proud of the US military, not necessarily wanting to see mangled raghead bodies. In this instance, it's kind of a proxy war, so you can't really be like "GOD DAMN THE UKRAINIANS ARE SO FUCKING AWESOME THEY ARE LIKE COSSAKS N SHEET."

Considering I was around and shitposting back in the ancient days of 2014, I lost most of my sympathy for Russia's shenanigans. Even then the capabilities of the Russian military showed glaring issues, and of course they shot down that Dutch airliner, attacked Donetsk airport and then had the gall to say it was Ukraine who broke the terms of Minsk 1, and also Russia NEVER invaded them. It was all a perfectly native uprising against Nazis n' shit.

It was absolutely insufferable. So I must confess to experiencing some schadenfreude at the suffering of the Russian military as they repeat the same mistakes and get absolutely trashed. This was supposed to be Russia's big mask off moment, when they finally showed their hand. The fact they were bluffing with a 7 and 2 the entire time is hilarious too me, made all the funnier because they honestly, genuinely believed they were holding the winning hand. Its a shame so many Russians are getting killed because of their leaders incompetence, but as my Grandma commented when asked what she thought of the Russian people being oppressed by the Soviets, "They get the Government they deserve".

That said, the fact so many Prog tards also support Ukraine has been irritating since this started. One of the other funnier things to come out of this war was Reddit volunteers getting bombed because they posted their location for updoots. I've learned to just ignore them.

 

[DumbDude43]

Peace was impossible after Russia annexed Crimea and popped up their puppets in Donbass.
Any sense of brotherhood between those two nations, is buried six feet under.
Also, Calling Euromadian a CIA backed Colour revolution take away the agency of the Ukrainian people.

no. peace was very much possible with the way things were going from 2015 to 2021. the donbas fighting was losing steam year after year, by 2022 it was extremely low intensity from both sides.
russia could have just left it at that: be happy with successfully annexing crimea, let the donbas shit go cold, turn LPR+DPR into a transnistria style breakaway separatist state to annoy the ukrops forever, and that would have been the end of it.
ukraine taking serious offensive action against this situation would not have gotten any meaningful support internationally, and the frozen conflict in donbas would have cucked ukraine out of any EU/NATO aspirations forever just like transnistria did to moldova. this status quo would have benefited russia a lot in the long term.

 

[MG-34]

this guy's smug ass slurring alcoholic voice makes me wish a t-14 would crash through his room and mangle him into the treads

it's very hard to justify not supporting russia when these are the people you end up in the same group without. it's like saying "I don't support the war" and then a British troon personally hugs you and kisses you on the cheek with blue and yellow lipstick that leaves a mark on your face in the shape of a cock

Counterpoint: Coach Redpill and spergs like Airmchair Warlord and Scott Ritter make it very easy to be Anti Zigger.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Call me crazy but twitter troons, dangerhairs, and woke consoomer garbage being a thing in the west doesn't make a war of conquest and aggression a "necessary evil", no matter what extremely hypothetical pure and uncucked tradbased country does it. Especially when those who will be killed and have their lives destroyed in such a war will be run of the mill normies, while the useless asshole fringe that constitutes the woke troon mob will be the first to GTFO using the money and connections that bought them their status at the moment.

More importantly the question has to be asked what you would replace the existing global order with. Russia is one dumpling short of being a Chinese satrapy. Which means any Russian victory in Europe would necessarily mean a Chinese victory and a global power realignment under Beijing's terms. I don't like Globohomo, but they are just CCP Lite. The actual CCP would be infinitely worse.

 

[Null]

Also, Calling Euromadian a CIA backed Colour revolution take away the agency of the Ukrainian people.

Maybe if it was completely unfounded, but it's not. Zelensky is president.

Call me crazy but twitter troons, dangerhairs, and woke consoomer garbage being a thing in the west doesn't make a war of conquest and aggression a "necessary evil"

I disagree and believe my opinion will be validated in the passage of time. They are not harmless silly people. They are rot. Tooth decay is causus belli for tooth extraction. "But 90% of the tooth is fine!". Doesn't matter, the nerve is exposed.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Maybe if it was completely unfounded, but it's not. Zelensky is president.

Just because the CIA was stirring the pot, does not mean the pot was not already full of shit to be stirred. Yanukovych was infinitely more responsible for Euromaidan then the CIA was. And while Zelensky may be Our Guy™, he was elected legitimately and he would never have been able to keep this war going as long as it has if he was completely astro turfed.

I would argue the assumption that he was solely an astro turfed CIA stooge went into Russia's catastrophically optimistic assumptions for how the invasion would go.

 

[Pork Packer]

I disagree and believe my opinion will be validated in the passage of time.

Okay but I have been hearing that shit a lot this last year and the passage of time never shows much kindness for such predictions

They are not harmless silly people. They are rot. Tooth decay is causus belli for tooth extraction. "But 90% of the tooth is fine!". Doesn't matter, the nerve is exposed.

Tooth decay can also be dealt with by brushing your fucking teeth, and infact there are a whole bunch of steps before "ripping the entire tooth out" becomes an option.

Same with cringe ass societal autism as has been demonstrated multiple times this last century, from life destroying medical procedures thrown around at the drop of a hat, to academia and media backed cancerous fucking leftist consoomer bullshit, to straight up domestic terrorism carried out in the name of destroying everything the west stood for, and ofcourse heavy handed moral panics and censorship pushed by the highest offices in the land. All of this shit started, stuck around far longer than it should, and then fucking died because of the enormous fucking backlash they created.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

the frozen conflict in donbas would have cucked ukraine out of any EU/NATO aspirations forever just like transnistria did to moldova.

Frozen conflict on Cyprus didn't do a shit to cypriot EU aspirations.

Putin fucked his chances when he annexed Crimea. If he just support reakaway states (Crimea and that two in Donbas) he will be able to achieve a settlement wit Ukraine to give that shitholes away.

Funniest part is that all breakaway territories was prior to 2014 extreme euroscepti. Having them in Ukraine was a best option to ensure that it will be not a pro-EU, pro-NATO gov. in Kiev. Zelesky, Poroshenko and so one will not win elections if Ukraine integrity wasn't violated (because Crimea and both peoples republics will probably vote for pro-russian candidate). But when ruzzia occupied that three territories Ukraine was able to tell everyone 'we cannot have elections in that regions', so they have no need to worry about a pro-russian candidate anymore.

Check last elections in USA, take out of the votes from Realm of Randall Flag (seven most west states of USA excluding Alaska and Hawaii) - presto, second term for Trump. Take from 2016 elections former CSA - Clinton wins.

 

[DumbDude43]

I disagree and believe my opinion will be validated in the passage of time. They are not harmless silly people. They are rot. Tooth decay is causus belli for tooth extraction. "But 90% of the tooth is fine!". Doesn't matter, the nerve is exposed.

this is all true
but i don't see russia waging war on trannies and niggers and jews
instead they're waging war against one of the most white and most nationalist countries in europe, while explicitly declaring that their goal is 'denazification'
they are not trying to fight the rot, they are trying to compete with the rot to see who can kill the patient faster

 

[AgendaPoster]

it's very hard to justify not supporting russia when these are the people you end up in the same group without. it's like saying "I don't support the war" and then a British troon personally hugs you and kisses you on the cheek with blue and yellow lipstick that leaves a mark on your face in the shape of a cock

Common Jersh you haven't seen 5 trannies in both Ukraine and Serbia combined. I know you didn't cause I know the area. I've seen one (one) transsexual outside a hospital, in the wild, in decades of "progressive" university city in the area.
This sort of tranny shit is nearly all online stuff and happily blown out of proportion by the pro-Russia side, which knows very well that nobody like the troons.
This is why you get hundreds of Sarah Cirillo posts.
It's the Bell Curve again and again - people are using extremely unique, outlier cases with high visibility at the end of the curve to justify their bias, and ignore the boring, huge mid of the curve. Blacks are high IQ cause we have Sowell! Blacks are not doing a lot of crime cause we have John McWhorter being an educated normal dude! Asians are not high IQ cause there is this retard hikikomori cult that's populated by oligophrenic social recluses.
OK, but back to statistics please.

 

[MG-34]

I disagree and believe my opinion will be validated in the passage of time. They are not harmless silly people. They are rot. Tooth decay is causus belli for tooth extraction. "But 90% of the tooth is fine!". Doesn't matter, the nerve is exposed.

The dangerhairs and trannies on Reddit and Twitter are not in Ukraine dictating its future. These are the same spergs that supported the Lybian and Syrian rebels thinking they were going to usher their Muslim children into liberal thought after their wars. You've lived in Ukraine, do you really think the people there are going to flip morals and accept accept extreme left politics after this war? Did the Solviet Union and Communist Chinese adopt Western Values because of Lend Lease in WW2? Do you think the military leadership that tolerate Nazi Motifs and idolize Stephen Bandera are going to abstain from politics when this war concludes? The likes of NCD and Twitter are merely an audience on the sidelines.

 

[Clownish]

Maybe if it was completely unfounded, but it's not. Zelensky is president.

RIP The Forgotten Chocolate King.

 

[Null]

You've lived in Ukraine, do you really think the people there are going to flip morals and accept accept extreme left politics after this war?

Germany and Italy basically invented Fascism and now they cannot stop sucking dick. When the money backs being a cum guzzling retard whore, most people will just do that. That's why they focus heavily on monetary punishment and monetary rewards. Sites like this aren't allowed to make money, but the right cartoon with LGTBQIAP+ representation gets millions in grants in ESG score based stock revaluations.

 

[teriyakiburns]

it's very hard to justify not supporting russia when these are the people you end up in the same group without. it's like saying "I don't support the war" and then a British troon personally hugs you and kisses you on the cheek with blue and yellow lipstick that leaves a mark on your face in the shape of a cock

To carry the analogy a little further, lip stick can wash off. The troon is temporary and can be dealt with. Russian imperial ambition is a rather larger, rather more immediately destructive problem.

It really feels like everyone is framing this as an either/or situation, where you can either cleave to Russian imperialism and "trad" culture-war bullshit, or you get on your knees and get used to the mouthfeel. It's possible to reject both. Anyone who doesn't reject both is, at the very best, not thinking things through too clearly. Don't accept the dichotomy you're presented with and tell all of them to get fucked.

As for the troon: since you mentioned the British, there's a greater than even chance she's a genuine woman, but from Wales. There's a reason they're so in to sheep.

e: also I agree with yourt disgust at the gleeful way people celebrate the deaths of perceived enemies. Some people are just filth that way, and not limited to one side or the other of the argument.

 

[draggs]

Didn't Zelensky co-host New Year's Eve 2013 in Red Square on Russian TV lol

If the Russian government could stop being retarded with not another single poor dumb mobik dying that would be fine

The concentrated retard of Chimputin makes that impossible though

 

[Null]

Tooth decay can also be dealt with by brushing your fucking teeth, and infact there are a whole bunch of steps before "ripping the entire tooth out" becomes an option.

The rot is deliberate and cannot be fixed. I hope I see the death of every single person who has conspired against the American people in my lifetime.

 

[Melmac_Knight]

land grabs isn't even the main way to rule the world anymore, it's mostly economy and gibs. if Russia had given big gibs to ookraine it might've been more pro Russia, and if you compare standards of living in Russia to Uurop,Uurop is way more comfortable. in Russia there is like 3 cities that are fancy and in good condition, but in Uurop most cities and towns have a high quality of life, maybe 10%are ran by Gypsies but most people don't live there

 

[MG-34]

The rot is deliberate and cannot be fixed. I hope I see the death of every single person who has conspired against the American people in my lifetime.

Oy vey could you lay off the Antisemitism?

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

1776 was a Bourbon backed color revolution against the democratically selected leadership of the colonies.

That's actually a really good point. Sometimes interests just happen to align.
And it's not like Russia wasn't trying to keep Ukraine under its control with its own gay ops, I don't buy the idea that they have exclusive rights to it just because it happens to be geographically close. That's after centuries of russification in attempt to make it their own.

The West most definitely has strategic interest in Ukraine. Not because they want to invade Russia, but because they're aware of the possibility that at some point tard-wrangling might be required (which Putin just proved), and they want as much distance between themselves and the "Russky Mir" as possible. Putin lost the intelligence game and showed his hand, letting us know what were his plans for Ukraine all along.
It wasn't the West who gave up on soft power and started bombing people in Ukraine, it was Russia. And there's nothing that could justify it.

 

[teriyakiburns]

they want as much distance between themselves and the "Russky Mir" as possible.

There's a certain irony in both sides wanting Ukraine as a buffer against the other.