Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

That's actually a really good point. Sometimes interests just happen to align.
It's not though, France didn't give two shits about some uppity colonists wilding against London until they could point to Saratoga and say, see, we can really win, now will you help us
 
It's not though, France didn't give two shits about some uppity colonists wilding against London until they could point to Saratoga and say, see, we can really win, now will you help us
That would work if it wasnt because russia still has nukes. Its surprising how people still forget how this almost 80-year weapon its a total gamechanger, an ace-in-the-hole, which is why tons of countries rushed to get one until the NPT went into effect. The moment it looks like he's actually gonna lose this putin can just nuke most of ukraine, nobody is gonna nuke him back and risk further escalation, and for him its better to be a pariah king than no king or worse, be hanged.

Had ukraine been allowed to keep their soviet nukes none of this would've happened, ukraine might have even got rid of the russian yoke all the way back in the 90's.
 
The rot is deliberate and cannot be fixed. I hope I see the death of every single person who has conspired against the American people in my lifetime.
Again, literally both sentiments have been loudly shouted before multiple times this last century, over the beatniks to the hippies to the new age retards on the left, and the mccarthyites, fundies, and neocons on the right to name a few.

And every fucking time the cycle resets itself once a critical mass of backlash builds up and we proceed to the next retarded culture/society war driven by amorphous factions bickering elites and wannabe elites, an unbroken chain stretching back to fucking Göbekli Tepe.

Thus far there is zero indication this kalpa will be any different beyond its seedy undergunt being easier to see thanks to the information superhighway

There's a certain irony in both sides wanting Ukraine as a buffer against the other.
Thing is, nobody actually fucking needs a buffer. As I have said before russia aint never getting invaded because muh nukes, and NATO aint ever getting invaded because it has the biggest critical mass of military power on the planet....and muh nukes.

Demanding buffer states is as anachronistically retarded as demanding zelensky wed his son to putins daughter to ensure a dynastic marital pact
 
That would work if it wasnt because russia still has nukes.
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at this point I'm betting that if launched half are gonna crash in Russia and the other half are nonfunctional or barely work
 
Again, literally both sentiments have been loudly shouted before multiple times this last century, over the beatniks to the hippies to the new age retards on the left, and the mccarthyites, fundies, and neocons on the right to name a few.

And every fucking time the cycle resets itself once a critical mass of backlash builds up and we proceed to the next retarded culture/society war driven by amorphous factions bickering elites and wannabe elites, an unbroken chain stretching back to fucking Göbekli Tepe.

Thus far there is zero indication this kalpa will be any different beyond its seedy undergunt being easier to see thanks to the information superhighway


Thing is, nobody actually fucking needs a buffer. As I have said before russia aint never getting invaded because muh nukes, and NATO aint ever getting invaded because it has the biggest critical mass of military power on the planet....and muh nukes.

Demanding buffer states is as anachronistically retarded as demanding zelensky wed his son to putins daughter to ensure a dynastic marital pact
there is no 'cycle resets itself'
hippies didn't just magically vanish, things didn't magically return to how they were before the hippie movement started, they and their worldview made a lasting impact on society and that legacy still exists today, enabling what their successors are doing now in their stead.
mccarthyism wasn't wrong or disproven, it was simply defeated. mccarthy tried to fight the commies, and the commies won. the result was a decades long buildup and infiltration process which eventually culminated in todays progressivism.
 
The allegory about France is retarded because France is not the embodiment of evil like the US/NATO is.
Relative to what exactly?

Russia? Chyna? Fucking India? The Middle East? Fucking Africa?!

hippies didn't just magically vanish, things didn't magically return to how they were before the hippie movement started, they and their worldview made a lasting impact on society and that legacy still exists today, enabling what their successors are doing now in their stead.
They didnt magically appear either, and their antecedents can be found throughout the 19th and 18th centuries

mccarthyism wasn't wrong or disproven, it was simply defeated. mccarthy tried to fight the commies, and the commies won.
Uh.....

the result was a decades long buildup and infiltration process which eventually culminated in todays progressivism.
Insincere and performative radicalism in the name of some sacred good cause has been documented in the west for a longass time, and in the non west for even longer

I mean, this shit is, was, and ever will be fucking cringe and its an honest to god tragedy that those who make a career grifting off it will never be tarred and feathered figuratively or literally, but at the end of the day the west has survived a hell of a lot worse for a longass time
 
Are you saying fucking with brits is not in baguette's interest? C'mon.
They weren't interested until they thought the colonists could win. Revenge against Britain cool, another "Britain embarrasses France AGAIN just like the last fifteen times they tangled" was not. Franklin and Lee spent over a year in Paris begging them before they signed the treaty of alliance
 
Relative to what exactly?

Russia? Chyna? Fucking India? The Middle East? Fucking Africa?!


They didnt magically appear either, and their antecedents can be found throughout the 19th and 18th centuries


Uh.....


Insincere and performative radicalism in the name of some sacred good cause has been documented in the west for a longass time, and in the non west for even longer

I mean, this shit is, was, and ever will be fucking cringe and its an honest to god tragedy that those who make a career grifting off it will never be tarred and feathered figuratively or literally, but at the end of the day the west has survived a hell of a lot worse for a longass time
in underestimating these forces you are making a grave mistake.
they have already inflicted massive and permanent damage to the wests demographics, you simply cannot dismiss them as inconsequential like that and expect to be taken seriously.
 
They weren't interested until they thought the colonists could win. Revenge against Britain cool, another "Britain embarrasses France AGAIN just like the last fifteen times they tangled" was not. Franklin and Lee spent over a year in Paris begging them before they signed the treaty of alliance
France was also in a very weak position financially, they couldn't afford to risk a major war against Britain unless there was a high degree of certainty they'd succeed.

They no doubt wanted to take advantage of British weaknesses whenever possible but they themselves were still recovering from the Seven Years' War and other problems in France in the same time frame.
Everything that has ever existed. Nothing has been as objectively evil as US/NATO. The rot it wishes to extend to the entire world is deplorable.
I can think of something far more evil than the US and NATO could ever hope to be.

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The rot is deliberate and cannot be fixed. I hope I see the death of every single person who has conspired against the American people in my lifetime.
Rot is natural, if harmful. To use an analogy of nature, natural forces can build intricate, self-sustaining processes that produce life, and the same natural process will reduce that life into a pile of rot. Likewise, human nature can build intricate and just aristocracies (in the philosophical sense of the word), and the same human nature will reduce those aristocracies into tyranny.

In my opinion, there is no modern society that isn't in the process of rotting, and that isn't in the throes of tyranny. Granted, it's not all the same rot, and not all the same tyranny, but it's rot and tyranny all the same. Russia and China might not worship minorities and glorify trannies, but it doesn't mean their society isn't rotten. I may still be able to speak my mind, defend myself, and practice my religion freely in America, but it likewise doesn't mean that it isn't rotten. And again, in my view it's a natural rotting. America would still be in the throes of tyranny even if the people promoting degeneracy had no influence, and Russia and China would still be in the throes of tyranny even if it wasn't Putin and Xi who took power.
 
it's very hard to justify not supporting russia when these are the people you end up in the same group without.
I can't imagine changing my opinion based solely on what other people align with it. That's an absolutely miserable way to live.

There are retards in media who are opposed to Russia's constant incursions into territorial waters and airspace of Nordic and Baltic countries. That won't make me in favor of incursions.
There are trannies on twitter who are opposed to the invasions in the Middle East. That won't make me in favor of the invasions.
There are even vultures in boardrooms who oppose Russia's invasion of Ukraine. But it won't make me favor Russia's invasion. I opposed invasions in 2003, and still do in 2023.

When it comes down to it, there's one actor in all of this that has the power to end the loss of life right now: Russia.
All they have to do is walk away. Just walk away.

But they won't. Because they imagine themselves as splendorous and magnificent, and functional countries as lesser. Mistakes to subvert.
Then they cry foul when they think those countries are responding in kind with subversion of their own.

Truth is - the west didn't even need to subvert Russia's interests. Russia did that itself by being a shithole. Nobody was paid to protest, to align with the west.
They just looked at Russia and dismayed.
 
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