Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

Will Robyn actually go back to see the neurosurgeon in California?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 12.2%
  • No

    Votes: 107 50.2%
  • Luna will die before the planned trip date

    Votes: 80 37.6%

  • Total voters
    213
  • Poll closed .
Good of Glenn to confirm for the doubters and thread newcomers that his daughter's condition is definitely as a result of his wife's and his stupidity and negligence and not something present from birth. Weird flex, but useful for anyone who was questioning a page or two back and another subtle confirmation that he's reading here. Hi dude!
Perhaps Glenn isn't as ignorant as he appears to be. Maybe he's reflecting on the past and realizing the mistakes that were made with Luna. One can only hope he's allowing himself to feel all the feels.

I don't know how he can be around his wife at this point. She's clearly gone off the deep end with those guided meditations, among so many other ultra woo things.
 
Perhaps Glenn isn't as ignorant as he appears to be. Maybe he's reflecting on the past and realizing the mistakes that were made with Luna. One can only hope he's allowing himself to feel all the feels.

I don't know how he can be around his wife at this point. She's clearly gone off the deep end with those guided meditations, among so many other ultra woo things.
I think Glenn is as dumb as a brick but he hasn't let grief from what they did to Luna break him like it did Robyn. However, some part of him probably still loves Robyn and he still has Atlas that he seems to be with more than he used to. Plus, Luna isn't actually physically dead yet, only her essence is.
 
Perhaps Glenn isn't as ignorant as he appears to be. Maybe he's reflecting on the past and realizing the mistakes that were made with Luna. One can only hope he's allowing himself to feel all the feels.

I don't know how he can be around his wife at this point. She's clearly gone off the deep end with those guided meditations, among so many other ultra woo things.
This actually occurred to me after I posted — that there's a change he read what we were discussing and got Big Sad about Buna's lost potential or whatever. But he's still clearly reading here and posting thos pics did give the lie to Robyn's line regardless. I think it could be both. I hope it's both cos otherwise he's ignoring/using his daughter's to subtly troll his wife and that's a bit gross, really.
 
It's taken me weeks, but I've finally read the thread from start to finish.

Something that has stood out to me is how everyone in the family has declined physically in the last year.
The obvious example is Luna herself, but Atlas always looks so tired and weary as has been noted and discussed previously ITT. The 4am starts are clearly not doing him any good.

Robyn always looks dehydrated on the rare occasion she is captured without a filter. She's not looking after her skin and looks tired as hell and unfit. Madam is close to the edge methinks.
Glenn, well his skin is what it is, but dude is starting to age in rat years.

Weirdly, I thought I'd get to the end of the thread and find that Luna had died, like the conclusion of a book or movie.
First time I've ever been disappointed to find that a kid is still alive. I feel...conflicted.
 
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This is going to sound weird, but I think Robyn looks prettier just looking her age with her natural face, no filters. She has a small lower jaw and chin, and she's not 25 anymore. So what? I'm not movie star handsome, and I've been hobbling along fine in life. There are more important things in life than being beautiful. The most annoying part about Robyn's looks are Robyn's reactions to them.
The bridge troll appreciates your narc tax payment.
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When was the last time she posted a breastfeeding pic where Atlas wasn't obviously fast asleep and not feeding? Give up already, Robyn, your kid is damn near old enough to grill his own steaks. And stop smoothing your facial texture away, it looks creepy.
She also tries to make him look like an infant, when normally he’s usually out in the garage with gymbrah bench pressing and shake weighting. She’s seriously over-infantilizing the lad.
 
I know it’s par for the course for Robyn to be intentionally misleading in her presentation, but it bugs me so much to see her say she can’t wait to start her MBA Program. She has to know that 99% of people read that as a Masters in Business Administration and not whatever woo bullshit she is spouting.
Beat me to it.
It’s so weird how these MLM “boss babe” types unknowingly infantilize themselves when they’re actually trying to glorify themselves. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t expect them to disparage themselves and outright say they’re playing make-believe career woman using their husband’s credit card to buy into a pyramid scheme (although there’s nothing inaccurate about that representation), but the pendulum swings way too far the other way for them in their appraisals of their line of work. Instead of saying maybe a more neutral/mildly euphemistic description, along the lines of like “I peddle scented candles out of my home”, they’ll post all these motivational quotes and blurbs implying they’re self-made, successful, boss bitch businesswomen and the like. It just makes them look incredibly silly, especially when you contrast their “hun” activities (like making vision board crafts and going to those conferences pretending “their company pays them to travel”) with what an actual lawyer or CEO woman would do in a typical day. Like a little girl playing dress up in her mommy’s work clothes or something. They’re like a caricature of a grown woman- suffragettes who fought for women to be taken seriously are rolling over in their graves seeing them imo. Idk, I feel like people disproportionately weigh the MLM brainwashing aspect as a contributing factor in this, imo. Normal grown people who aren’t overgrown, spoiled brats wouldn’t have as much capacity to be in denial that they’re successful, because they’d be paying or at least contributing to their own bills and realizing they’re losing money as opposed to earning it. I think it moreso comes down to the tendency towards delusions of grandeur in the NPD population (a disproportionate amount of whom are represented in the “boss babe” strata).
 
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Idk, I feel like people disproportionately weigh the MLM brainwashing aspect as a contributing factor in this, imo. Normal grown people who aren’t overgrown, spoiled brats wouldn’t have as much capacity to be in denial that they’re successful, because they’d be paying or at least contributing to their own bills and realizing they’re losing money as opposed to earning it.
I don't know.....I've listened to a lot of episodes from a podcast called Life after MLM where different women and sometimes men share their experiences of being in a MLM, that they've now left. A common thread among the stories is that they were targeted by a MLM at a vulnerable point in their lives, whether they had gone through a personal loss, lost their job or something similar. The MLM gave them the feeling of community or friendship that they were looking for or they really thought that they could make it work and bring an income to the family.

Another thing that it's often talked about in the podcast is the sunk-cost fallacy. Here is how the article that I've attached defines it:
The sunk cost fallacy describes our tendency to continue to pursue an endeavor that we have already committed to in terms of investing money, time or effort into it, even if those costs are not recoverable.
 
I don't know.....I've listened to a lot of episodes from a podcast called Life after MLM where different women and sometimes men share their experiences of being in a MLM, that they've now left. A common thread among the stories is that they were targeted by a MLM at a vulnerable point in their lives, whether they had gone through a personal loss, lost their job or something similar. The MLM gave them the feeling of community or friendship that they were looking for or they really thought that they could make it work and bring an income to the family.

Another thing that it's often talked about in the podcast is the sunk-cost fallacy. Here is how the article that I've attached defines it:
MLM’s definitely target people who are depressed, need money, feel they lack identity/success. The “boss babe” stuff appeals to a tired, struggling SAHM who feels like her entire life has become changing diapers and laundry or the woman working at a fast food restaurant who hates her boss and schedule. The even more sinister is targeting lonely, isolated women who just want friends/social life and they stay in longer than most because their money is buying them a false feeling of belonging and community.

But @CloverKitty is also right, it does appeal to really juvenile fantasies these women have. Climbing a corporate ladder or building a successful business is really out of reach for many ppl. It takes discipline, hard work, intelligence and dedicating many years of your life. Telling people they can be an instant “boss babe” for the low-low prices of a $655 starter kit and monthly fees works very well. It has huge appeal to the instant gratification crowd and just plain old dumb bitches.

I too find the behavior of these women embarrassing to our gender for the sheer gullible and vapid nature of it. Nothing says boss like equating your power and business acumen to your fuckabilty and appeal to horny men.

When trying to sucker men into these scams they appeal to greed and “be your own boss” but realize “boss boys” has zero appeal to men. Only vapid women worry about the word boss reflecting so badly on their sex appeal or attractiveness that “babe” must be added to ensure you don’t actually take them seriously.
 
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