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Yeah I pointed this out back in February after watching enough footage of this tactic.
Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
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He's not shocked that's its happening because he and others (myself included) posted videos of Ukrops torturing, maiming and killing the wounded and POWs early on. He's shocked the UK is opening admitting (and thus tacitly approving) it, in The Times, since its literally a UK establishment mouthpiece.
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Same tbh, I also wish the Ukrainians stopped shelling children starting in around 2014.
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Only a vatnigger would believe Kiev was shelling kids in the Donbass for 6,000,000 years before the SMO.
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My running theory is that ukrainians report their own losses as russian.
A whole lot of meth.
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Shame NATO didn't retweet this.
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It's time for me to bitch about what this stupid war is doing for the outliers. So I don't have an English source for this but I came across several non-English articles that bemoan a note from NATO ranking all the countries that are members, sent to our ministry of defense. It's not confidential information anymore so yay, I guess.
Apparently, my country is ranked 21 of 30 and I find that funny yet terrifying. Funny because our government had delusions about how we were one of the big boys alongside daddy USA and shit but it turns out that we don't "particularly align" with NATO's expectations in regards to our military. NATO values countries after the three Cs; Cash, capability, and contributions.
(I'm so sorry but this gives me Cosa Nostra vibes)
Some of the things they demand from us.
Now, the terrifying part comes from the practical reaction from our government. It is known that NATO and the US will increase their demands and will pressure us to use even more money on weapons and soldiers when they have their meeting in July.
It's super sucky that we the common folk have to foot the bill so the US can fight its retarded proxy war. We already axed a public holiday for more money for more weapons and they might try to pressure the little folk even more so NATO can flash its big dick around.
I'm a little anxious about what else we are going to ax or how we can sacrifice welfare, children, the elderly, the mentally ill, healthcare, and more public holidays.
Jesus, this really fucking feels like the Mafia.
Edit: Already now, our government is talking about how they will raise billions to make NATO happy. And this price tag is expected to increase.
*Sigh*
Apparently, my country is ranked 21 of 30 and I find that funny yet terrifying. Funny because our government had delusions about how we were one of the big boys alongside daddy USA and shit but it turns out that we don't "particularly align" with NATO's expectations in regards to our military. NATO values countries after the three Cs; Cash, capability, and contributions.
(I'm so sorry but this gives me Cosa Nostra vibes)
Some of the things they demand from us.
- More F-35s
- 4000 soldiers ready for deployment
- More air defense (hereunder Patriot systems)
- More ammunition storage
- More ammunition and staff for Mowag piranhas.
Now, the terrifying part comes from the practical reaction from our government. It is known that NATO and the US will increase their demands and will pressure us to use even more money on weapons and soldiers when they have their meeting in July.
It's super sucky that we the common folk have to foot the bill so the US can fight its retarded proxy war. We already axed a public holiday for more money for more weapons and they might try to pressure the little folk even more so NATO can flash its big dick around.
I'm a little anxious about what else we are going to ax or how we can sacrifice welfare, children, the elderly, the mentally ill, healthcare, and more public holidays.
Jesus, this really fucking feels like the Mafia.
Edit: Already now, our government is talking about how they will raise billions to make NATO happy. And this price tag is expected to increase.
*Sigh*
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Lol gotta say, it is funny how the current dust up in the other thread is exposing how many NATO expansionists there are.
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Denmark?
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Correct. We have a similar history of sucking off the EU btw. Amazing that we haven't converted to the euro.
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The Redditification of Foreign Policy
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I always wonder how a conservation will be between dear leader and us vatniks, ziggers, and orcs. I can start.
A SMO user explains to Dear Leader Null in autistic essays on the pro-Russian perspective
From the Kiwi Farms /uhg/ thread.State of Russia
Contemporary Russia is in this weird third position of admiration of the Empire and the Soviet Union, two identities that are polar opposites of each other, where one values Russian tradition and homogeneity and the other internationalism and globalism, and the only similarity is that they both are authoritarian to totalitarian autocracies. This is why you have the Russian Orthodox church in Yekaterinburg built on top of the house where the Romanov family was executed to honor them as saints two blocks away from the avenue named after the guy who ordered their executions. It's also why you still have cities in Russia that kept their names after foreigners just because they are communists (Tolyatti, Kingisepp) and cities that went back to their imperial names (St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg).
This is one of the flaws I hope Russia resolves once they resolve their borders because some Vatniks suspect that the person that will replace Putin if the West does succeed in overthrowing him would an inbred hardcore jingoist nationalist combining the worst aspects of Imperial and Soviet nationalism, and will cause further chaos and instability. Russia should be based on a more moderate platform based on mainly the Empire, where despite its flaws, gave Russians the necessary connections to Western Europe to become a prosperous enlightened society. An identity based on communism is not sustainable, and maybe perhaps it's due to my bias against communism because it killed tens of millions of people, and once Russians realize that, their whole identity will be torn down to shame.
What's even funnier is that Nazism was not the casus belli that Putin brought up to invade Ukraine. It was the fact that Ukraine was an invention created by Lenin and the Bolsheviks to harm Russian sovereignty and identity and giving up tons of Russian land like Chernigov, Kharkov, Odessa, and Donetsk to a country that was created because the German Empire needed a buffer state in the East with Russia. I feel like a lot of the Russian propaganda channels in Telegram chanting killing Nazis is such jingoistic bullshit because at the same time, Ukraine is forcing Russian speakers to die in the frontlines first, so to call husbands, boyfriends, and brothers Nazis is such a huge disservice and dishonor to those who are conscripted to fight when they don't have the choice not to join.
Regarding brain drain in Russia, that is absolutely true. A lot of intellectuals and technocrats (like Pavel Durov, creator of VK and Telegram) left Russia because they can't handle the bureaucratic and controlling nature of the government. I know a lot of professors in my university that are Russian and I have seen a lot of Russians moved to my town. However, it is to note that the reason why Russian and Chinese intellectuals treat their countries so differently is not limited to intellectuals, but to how Russians and Chinese as a whole treat it.
The Russian government allows leniency on Russians trashing on the government as they grow up. This is why you have a lot of famous Russian YouTubers living inside the country like BadComedian criticize Putin and the Ministry of Culture, with the latter putting out bad films that try to profit off of Russian nationalism. It's why they are allowed to find themselves to be deluded on why Russia is not suitable for them to live there anymore. China brainwashes you to become a nationalist. If you offend Xi Jinping or criticize the Chinese government's policies, the authorities go after you. Russia doesn't have a cult of personality (even with the Putin memes); China does.
A lot of internet users probably like Russia because pUtiN memes, but I can say that Russia is considered to be popular among foreigners because of their foreign policy statecraft. Middle Easterners and Africans appreciate Russia for trying to uphold order in these countries and rid influences that has harmed their countries (like the West in Middle East and France in Africa). Russia was there to support India as the Soviet Union when the West refused to help them. Russia is allies with Israel and Iran even though they hate each other because both countries respect Russia as a mediator that has the power to command each country willingly on what to do to achieve peace in the Middle East. Same with India and China, hence why Indians and Chinese people love Russia a lot.
For a corrupt country, Russia's debt is low, low as in 18% of their total GDP. 12,000 sanctions from the West still has not been able to balkanize the country. I disagree with the assessment that Russia has not been using its resources well because frankly, Europe still uses Russian oil, in fact, Russia sells oil to India and Saudi Arabia, and they resell that oil to Europe. In fact, Europe is so hooked onto Russian resources that energy prices has skyrocketed once they had to import American natural gas at extremely high prices. Russia is also the number one builder of nuclear power plants, and is now constructing NPPs in Turkey, India, China, and Bangladesh.
Russia's economy is literally the most stable economy, and now with Western brands moving out of the country, Russia is ever closer to an autarkic system by having its populace establish their own brands to replace them. I would also recommend looking into stats using GDP by PPP and not nominal GDP because some people use the high nominal GDP of California to show its wealth in comparison to countries like Russia, but California has a high percentage of poor people, probably more than Russia, and stuff is very expensive for the average Californian. I would come back to the degeneracy stuff in a bit.
Why do we have people dying for no reason in this dumb war?
@Null, in your MATI streams (I'm the user that made the Dilbert parody, Calvin and Hobbes parody, and the purple space picture in the donation tips by the way), your opinion on the Russian perspective is that you understand that the Russian need to not want NATO bases on the borders, but that Russia having to resort to war against a sovereign nation that ended up killing husbands, brothers, and sons who are soldiers in both sides is immoral, retarded, and fucking bullshit, and on a surface level, you are correct. However, Russia never intended the war to be the way it is, and not just Russia reaching Kyiv in a month and proclaim annexation or giving Ukraine a Russian puppet president.Russia calls the whole invasion a "special military operation" for a reason; the goal is to send Russian troops inside Ukraine, pushing to several prominent Ukrainian cities, to pressure the country to sign a treaty with Russia within the next month to have a definite prevention of NATO expansion: Ukraine will stay neutral and not join NATO, Ukraine will make compromises in regards to the Donbass region to achieve peace in the country. If this plan sounds familiar, this is the same treatment Russia gave to Georgia back in 2008. A treaty would have been signed in Istanbul between Ukraine and Russia for a ceasefire and for talks to commence between Zelensky and Putin.
However, although the Bucha Massacre played a role, what really did it for Ukraine to cancel all peace negotiations with Russia is our favorite Prime Minister of Bongland Boris Johnson. On April 9, 2022, Johnson made a visit to Istanbul convincing Zelensky to not sign the treaty, Russia is to not be trusted, Ukraine should keep fighting, and that the West will entirely back Ukraine's fight against Russia. Zelensky falls for it, and 3 days later, Putin stated that negotiations are now in a dead end as Ukraine and Zelensky became more aggressive and hostile.
This is where Russia and Putin realizes that the whole SMO and their gamble has failed, and that now they will have to fight to the death (as Russia would balkanize if they lose) against Ukraine as Ukraine is now fighting to liberate occupied land, but to recapture Crimea, DPR, and the LPR militarily, something that Russia cannot accept. The Russian military is caught unprepared, as that their march to cities was only used as a political maneuver, and now they will have to fight an actual war. This is why Russia suffered a lot of humiliating defeats until Russia licked their wounds after the successful Ukrainian Eastern Counter-offensive, manned up, and slowly pushed back the Ukrainians in many fronts from there.
Okay, but still, Russia should have not send their army inside Ukraine, because soldiers, Russian and Ukrainian, are dying left and right in February-March. Even so, Russia should have not instigated a SMO and caused a war in the first place. The only problem for that, is that the war has been setting itself up since 2014. Besides the obvious shelling of Donetsk from the Ukrainian side during the Donbass War, Ukraine has shown to be following in the footsteps of Georgia before the Invasion but in a more extremist way.
Ukraine during Poroshenko has been becoming increasingly Russophobic by going after all things Russian, such as banning art and works of culture and making Ukrainian the only language that can be taught in primary schools. This is also the time where the United States during the Trump presidency and NATO started arming up Ukraine as Trump is too scared to be called a Russian puppet and enforced a stronger anti-Russian stance despite promises to have friendlier relations with Russia.
Zelensky was mainly elected to reconcile the already deteriorating relations between Ukraine and Russia, with campaign promises to do so. However, he then shut down pro-Russian news channels and the Donbass war between the Ukrainian Army and pro-Russian rebels intensified. Russia started making preparations for a SMO by launching drills next to the border, and this was followed by Biden's assurances to reinforce Ukraine in case of a Russian invasion and Russia reported increased signs of Western military activity in the country.
I would have to predict that this is the situation where it is somewhat similar where Georgia has declared to join NATO, where relations between countries are already at their lowest. Russia has decided that like Georgia, they must strike first before it's too late to force Ukraine to be in a treaty that declares the country neutral and to respect the autonomy of Russians in Ukraine. Don't quote me on this, but I have also heard from either users on Kiwi Farms or on YouTube that Ukraine intends to recapture the DPR, LPR, and Crimea through military force with Western backing even before Russia has committed to invade Ukraine via the SMO in February 2022. At that point, war was inevitable.
Besides the fuckery that is Bucha, Russia, since the start of the SMO, was cautious to leave Ukraine intact until the treaty is signed. Buildings were bombed, sure, but artillery was not as discriminate until post-failure of the treaty. Infrastructure and utilities such as electricity was left intact, which is considered a blunder of a proper invasion. It shows Russian use of caution to leave Ukraine unscathed in the SMO, until Russia had to bomb it when it panicked with the Eastern Counter-offensive's success and that Russia realized that they will have to fight a war that will leave a trail of destruction.
Russia has been trying to amend this by dumping money into cities that they destroyed and captured, like Mariupol, in which I have posted videos in the thread of Russians rebuilding the city as quick as possible. Russia is also slowly rebuilding Lysychansk but will probably fully commence once the Ukrainians in the southwest garrisoning the village of Bilohorivka is moved out.
To finalize this part of the essay, from a dead Russian user in the site (probably due to the Keffals shit or got drafted and maybe killed):
Removing American Influence
What you said in this thread is what Russia, China, India, Iran, and Saudi Arabia are trying to rid of: the de-dollarization of the world economy. Russia is now paying transactions with countries in Africa, Asia, and South America in the Chinese Yuan instead of dollars. Russia and India having already started trading using their national currencies, the ruble and rupee respectively. Russia has also been trading with more countries in rubles, such as Armenia. Russia has developed their own alternative to SWIFT, SPFS, and also has developed their own alternative to Visa and Mastercard, Mir.
A Victim of America
Fellow jannie @Secret Asshole brought up really great analyses on how Ukraine is basically fucked even if they operationally win or lose in the Invasion (this is one of them). The International Monetary Fund gave a $15.6 billion loan to Ukraine. Ukraine's economy is a ghost, and has been entirely dependent on American aid in hundreds of millions to billions of dollars and is now indebted to the United States. Ukraine has also signed a deal with Blackrock to rebuild the country.
Sad and Trad
Back to Russian degeneracy and is Russia really the trad nation that we are looking for? At the moment, I would say not really. To add the fact that Russia having the largest abortion rate in the West, a lot of European pornography originates in Russia. The Russian Ministry of Culture tries to profit off of Russian nationalism and makes shit historical Russian films (like Union of Salvation, which was despised for poor cinematography and historical inaccuracy). Almost all Russian cities are in a way ugly, with the exceptions being central Moscow, St. Petersburg, and Kazan. Russian preservation of historical districts are so shitty such as the systematic destruction of Konigsberg (now Kaliningrad) and Vyborg when they occupied it. Honestly, the only thing I admire about Poland is that they rebuild the historic districts of their cities such as Danzig/Gdansk.
However, ignoring all this, I think that a lot of people admire Russia because of how successfully autarkic it is in regards to its relations with the West, and how they're turning Europe into a lolcow thanks to the war. Russia's existence and strategy is focused on ultra-pragmatic realpolitik and its need to survive and to prevent itself from becoming an American puppet state rather than focusing on becoming trad and redpilled. Russia had suffered from all you said @Null, American liberal democracy, laisse-faire capitalism, dollarization, and oligarchy (though its inherited), in the 1990s when Russia had a taste of American influence.
Putin has done everything in its power to ensure that Russia survives another century. Russia's "trad" push for people to have larger families is so that Russia will not collapse via a population collapse, in comparison with China, Japan, and South Korea, of which they will fall when their birth rate catches up to them (probably self-genocide out of retardation for not having enough kids). Russia's need to have a sphere of influence because not only NATO bases will threaten to be in its border as you said, but also constant US interference in the country, and the fact that Russia will be surrounded by enemies. Russia was treated as a threat, even in its weakest, by former Soviet and Warsaw Pact countries that joined NATO since 1991. Why does NATO still exist? If we are to consider the fact that NATO as a defensive alliance, it's an alliance against Russia. It's also an offensive alliance, trying to enforce Western imperialism and hypocrisy to the world.
Russia is not the country where we want the Kiwi Farms to be hosted, and why should they care about us? If it means better relations with Israel to have Holocaust memes be banned to preserve their sphere of influence over the Middle East, so be it. For all of Russia's faults that make them irredeemable, the fact they are literally destroying the structure that makes up American hegemony through Ukraine by revealing its faults is enough for turning users in this thread to become pro-Russian.
The war has revealed to normies how hypocritic the West is, that the United States and the main EU states of Germany, Poland, and France, do not care about supporting countries like Ukraine in their war effort against Russia, they just want to look good and strong in the papers when they support Ukraine. The United Kingdom has shown itself to be the lap-dog that barks Washington's orders. Europe also buys resold Russian oil from Saudi Arabia and India instead of being sold directly. All of this bullshit Europe is suffering, it makes the Europe a lolcow continent. Russia has preserve relentlessly, and even the methods are extremely flawed, them being the stop to American hegemony makes a lot of people in this thread sympathetic to jingoistic.
Updates into the Invasion for Null
Here is the latest update if you want current information on the Invasion.- Ukrainians are struggling in launching a successful counter-offensive in Zaporizhzhya Oblast and at the same time is prepping for another large counter-offensive to retake Bakhmut and surrounding areas.
- With Ukraine distracted, Russia launched a massive assault into positions around Andiivka, a Ukrainian stronghold that is as powerful as Bakhmut, of which Ukraine has used as a base to shell the city of Donetsk in the south since 2014. Russia has now surround Andiivka on three sides, and the supplies to the city is now disrupted.
- In north Bakhmut, Wagner troops of Russia has captured the AZOM plant, the most fortified position in Bakhmut. This means there would not be a Mariupol situation where the last Ukrainian troops are situated in industrial areas, which tend to be the most fortified that can prolong a siege in a city. It's a propaganda loss for Ukraine, as Zelensky talked with troops a couple months prior inside the plant. Wagner troops have also reached the center of Bakhmut.
- Wagner is slow pushing as a result of its insistence to be cautious of the planned Ukrainian counter-offensive to Bakhmut. They are not focused on capturing the city, but moreso using the city to pressure Zelensky to send more men to Bakhmut to die so the Ukrainian army will be demoralized to the point of collapse.
- Cracks are showing in the Ukrainian defense on other fronts as Russia intensified its push and gaining new territory in Donetsk and Kharkiv Oblasts.
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Well the Germans shouldn't have indiscriminately bombed cities such as Belgrade, Warsaw, Wielun, Frampol, Rotterdam and multiple others I cant recall at the moment.
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Yes, but do you serve Medical Fentanyl?
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Wait, Lazer Pig actually engaged on the website? I gotta see this.
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Probably better. You don't have to suck Putin/Russian cock to enjoy this thread. The other thread is, well, what's that? You don't think NATO is the goodest, most wholsomest organization to ever exist? Vatnigger! You think the world is more nuanced than NATO good, Russia bad? Vatnigger!
The Polacks and NATO expansionist guys over there really do a good job of painting Pro-Ukies as unhinged. For all the whining about Russian imperialism, I really haven't seen anyone here support the idea of Russia retaking all of it's former lands.
*Edit* It really sums up as telling NATO to shut the fuck up for once in it's miserable life.
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