Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

The entire purpose of NATO baiting Russia into this conflict
Yes, they baited chimtin to take Crimea and Donetsk in 2014 because this is a multilayered conspiracy.

It isn't like this is stupidiest way and easier/cheaper would be just making a 'terrorist attack' on one of former multinational meetings.

However the same pressures can be applied in reverse.
USA will not survive without borscht and new iRuzzkie smertphone!
 
It is peanuts compared to how much more money we burn on far less deserving things, but I've yet to hear one good reason why going to WWIII over ukraine its worth it and what would we lose if ukraine has to give up an eastern chunk full of obsolete rusted-to-fuck industries to the russians.
You seem to argue under the assumption that only the West thinks that starting WWIII over Ukraine is an undesirable outcome. I personally don't think Putin is suicidal, or that he's confident enough that such decision wouldn't trigger a coup since his inner circle and military leadership are unlikely to share his death wish. You also underestimate how unpopular such a measure would actually be among common Russians, not everyone here is a rabid zigger.
With how war is going for Kremlin in Ukraine, one would think it became clear to them by now that they can't in fact afford such an escalation, they ought to be afraid of a more direct NATO involvement. They're seething and flailing around their nuclear dick because it's all they can do, if nukes could've solved their problems, they would've used them already. That's all it's ever going to amount to, blatant posturing and empty bravado.

For Putin it's a saving grace that people actually believe it. Of course it remains a possibility, however slight it might be, but there's plenty of wiggling room between "not doing anything" and "nukes go flying", and so far the West has been navigating it rather well. I'm tired of doomer bullshit, appeasement of this avaricious attention-starved glowie midget is what got us here, more of that isn't going to resolve the issue.
 
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You could start by stop basting yourself. There is a huge difference between "I'm not willing to sacrifice my life or well being (or that of my family's) to cheerleading the latest NATO/American foreign intervention because "otherwise those ebil Russkies might win". All major world powers have copious quantities of nukes, WWIII will not be like WWII or any other global conflict of the past. We do not have to worry about being conquered by Russia or China.
Again it has to be said that not being down with the excesses of US policies does not automatically make people want to support Russias policies. If anything what Russia has done has strengthened Global institutions rather then diminished them. If your dream utopia is one where NATO and its attendant integrated NGOs goes away, bad Vlad has actively made that dream even more unrealistic.

The entire purpose of NATO baiting Russia into this conflict was to help instigate regime change in Russia. They can't and won't, do to Russia what they did Iraq/Libya/Afghanistan so they are hoping to make life as miserable for the Russian peasantry and elite alike to instigate change. However the same pressures can be applied in reverse. Stop supporting your regime. Stop pretending that the US/West hasn't been on a horrible downwards spiral for 30 years (at least).
Oh come on, that's not true and has never been true. NATO has always been a heard of cats that barely moved in the same general direction even in the best of times. The only thing it ever agreed on is that it would defend the borders of a member state. The only way Russia could get "baited" into a war with NATO is if they want to steal someone else's shit. It's really easy for Russia to avoid a war with NATO. Don't start it.

Is it really that hard?
Apparently.
 
. This is such an obviously good outcome I'm at a loss as to how anyone who isn't a troon kid raping faggot, or an American, could object to a Russian victory.

> senior will change from USA to ruzzia/China/India/Sauds/Turkey/Germoney
> 'HOW YOU CANNOT WANT THIS?!'

At least kids will be raped by oligarchs or priest, not a troon.

Again it has to be said that not being down with the excesses of US policies does not automatically make people want to support Russias policies. If anything what Russia has done has strengthened Global institutions rather then diminished them

People mostly ignore issues that they don't see affecting them. Look at Israeli related threads, bunch of kiwis even from Judeland didn't get why court should be unaffected by parliament, They cannot make point from 'court will be appointed by prime minister' to 'everyone who will go into fucking with prime minister, parliament members, their families, party members or other will be fucked in court'. They also not get why when it will be no supreme court with power to cancel law it will be possible for rulers to enforce a law which will, for example, decriminalize corruption in schools. You know, kid which family will have more cash will earn better scores and you own be fucked.

Same shit in this place: some kiwis didn't get why dimmish of current hegemon will fuck their lives (have fun defending muh freedom when fatherland will call you into army to defend against people from other side of border - not neccessary in wartime, just to train you in peacetime, just in case bro, only tvelve months bro - like in Norway) so they want to see dimmish of USA power. They just cannot imagine that repercusions will be worse than seeing from time to time a tranny on streets. Or hear despacito in radio. Or whatever.
 
Null: "Boy I better split up the happenings thread to stop the endless sperging."
Also Null:
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It's almost like Russia is a habitual liar.
Which would be okay if they only did it for public consumption, but they're habitual lies when it comes to international diplomacy which is really coming back to bite them in the arse.

The way Russia talks tough when dealing with the west (the people actually buying their oil and gas) compared with say China, is starting to become more and more glaringly obvious.

It's not helped by the fact that Putin staffs his diplomatic corp with toadies (something the USSR never did). To give an example Irish media book the Russian ambassador Yuri Filatov, essentially as a comedy segment, where he gets abused and then ushered off. Filatov dumb motherfucker that he is, when he was told by the FSB that they wanted to build a listening post on the large Russian embassey grounds, decided to submit a planning application to Dublin City council for it.

Look at how Russia has sold out Armenia, because Turkish diplomats have run rings around their Russian counterparts. Russia has abandoned Armenia a traditional ally to Azerbaijan, and in return Turkey have given them nothing. Turkey are still selling weapons to Ukraine and they're still going to allow Finland and Sweden to join NATO.

You know what would be a great source of Ammunition and Weapons for Russia... Serbia. However the EU has actual diplomats in Serbia that understand the country and Politics, and Russia doesn't.
 
I don't even know what you're arguing. Fuck the US.
The crux of the argument seems to be who you'd rather have as a hegemon, and "no one" is not a viable answer, because that's not how the world works.
Knowing Russians intimately, good and bad, I can't fathom how anyone in the West could wish for "Russky Mir" upon others. The whole thing is more fake and gay than Yaniv being a woman.
I don't trust anyone thrusting their way of life upon others by force. Russia's "saving" of Eastern Ukraine is thinly veiled subjugation with utter disregard for decency and human life.

People get too fixated on trannies, like all the common evil stopped existing. Look at all the tragedy wrought upon Ukrainians by Russians, and tell me it's not evil, or that it doesn't matter because muh trannies. This doesn't help anyone whatsoever.
As if the west could do anything worse than their own countrymen.
We have a long-running gag borne out of state propaganda blaming everything on America, "Obama took a shit in the hallway/elevator" (which is what hobos and drunks tend to do), highlighting how they blame even the pettiest things that have nothing to do with US on them
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@borsabil "Ukraine - a smaller nation - getting beat by a Russia - a much larger nation and supposed world power - in a conventional war would be embarrassing for the US"

How fucking retarded are you?
In what parallel universe is Ukraine the alleged superpower and Russia the alleged corrupt backwater that everyone thought was gonna fall in less than two weeks?

This is what I can't tell about vatnigs. Are you morons seriously that fucking stupid, that unbelievably mouth-drooling unintelligent with the brain activity (or lackthereof) to make even the most inbred of Pakistani illiterates seem like Albert fucking Einstein - or are you blissfully aware that the sky is not red and water is not dry, and you just dont care?
 
Trannies are the worst evil ever to exist after jews.

I will pray to the Lord, Hitler for the souls of the poor Azov warriors who got jewed by Jewlensky to die for tranny bankers to loan him 6 gorillion dollars with 6 gorillion interest.

Being ruled by globohomo is worse than being ruled by pajeets. And those don't even know what a toilet is!

Do your part and help a poor hohol man emigrate from the Jewlensky draft. Adopt an Azov Soldier today, they will love to live in Jew York.
 
@borsabil "Ukraine - a smaller nation - getting beat by a Russia - a much larger nation and supposed world power - in a conventional war would be embarrassing for the US"

How fucking retarded are you?
In what parallel universe is Ukraine the alleged superpower and Russia the alleged corrupt backwater that everyone thought was gonna fall in less than two weeks?

This is what I can't tell about vatnigs. Are you morons seriously that fucking stupid, that unbelievably mouth-drooling unintelligent with the brain activity (or lackthereof) to make even the most inbred of Pakistani illiterates seem like Albert fucking Einstein - or are you blissfully aware that the sky is not red and water is not dry, and you just dont care?
Ukrainian army is just elite NATO officers in disguise you dummy, that's why it's so hard
Trannies are the worst evil ever to exist after jews.

I will pray to the Lord, Hitler for the souls of the poor Azov warriors who got jewed by Jewlensky to die for tranny bankers to loan him 6 gorillion dollars with 6 gorillion interest.

Being ruled by globohomo is worse than being ruled by pajeets. And those don't even know what a toilet is!

Do your part and help a poor hohol man emigrate from the Jewlensky draft. Adopt an Azov Soldier today, they will love to live in Jew York.
That's some weak bait fam
 
Shiggidy-diggidy
Funfact: in the cope thread they are trying to get Nulls attention. I counted at least three calls for whim and a whole fuckin essay when some of them queted his posts from this thread.

Trannies are the worst evil ever to exist after jews.
Are you always worried about <current_thing> or sometimes you think about at least near future? You know, do you have any political views or you are ust a echo chamber about what is current hot-take?

You are from Hungary, right? Tell me how trannies are smashing your life in that shithole.
 
Funfact: in the cope thread they are trying to get Nulls attention. I counted at least three calls for whim and a whole fuckin essay when some of them queted his posts from this thread.
They're following him like homeless dogs, posrating local authoritative figure to make themselves feel better, because someone important agrees with their retarded narrative. It's rather sad.
You are from Hungary
Not as sad as this, however LOL
 
Funfact: in the cope thread they are trying to get Nulls attention. I counted at least three calls for whim and a whole fuckin essay when some of them queted his posts from this thread.
Of course they do. They've been shat on relentlessly and now, a notoriously emotional admin with a little asskisser cult of personality is repeating their talking points.

A person in position of authority thinks the same way I do?? My life is complete, hohols are finished!!!
 
They're following him like homeless dogs, posrating local authoritative figure to make themselves feel better, because someone important agrees with their retarded narrative.
They've been shat on relentlessly and now, a notoriously emotional admin with a little asskisser cult of personality is repeating their talking points.
The point is Null started all this flamewar with clear statment why he cannot support ruzzia despite his hate against USA.

Now even most putinheads are trying to say they are not putingheads, but just anti-yankee. It is more hillarious.
 
Funfact: in the cope thread they are trying to get Nulls attention. I counted at least three calls for whim and a whole fuckin essay when some of them queted his posts from this thread.


Are you always worried about <current_thing> or sometimes you think about at least near future? You know, do you have any political views or you are ust a echo chamber about what is current hot-take?

You are from Hungary, right? Tell me how trannies are smashing your life in that shithole.

Okey!

They want to let in rapefugees.
They want to molest kids and have done so.
They beat up random skinheads (or bald dude who looks like one).
They are pestering our government.
They support the ukraine in occupying our land.

Russia:
They sell us cheap gas. Shitholes can't afford fancy american diluted weak as piss lng.

So why should I be mad at Russia? Why should I not be mad about JewSA and the Pigkraine?
 
Okey!

They want to let in rapefugees.
They want to molest kids and have done so.
They beat up random skinheads (or bald dude who looks like one).
They are pestering our government.
They support the ukraine in occupying our land.

Russia:
They sell us cheap gas. Shitholes can't afford fancy american diluted weak as piss lng.

So why should I be mad at Russia? Why should I not be mad about JewSA and the Pigkraine?
Nobody is here to convince you of anything, this is one of the two hugboxes and you're looking for the other hugbox, the threads were split for a reason.
 
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