Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[GatorAids]

Not just cold or the PTSD: Russian/Wagner merc with a bad case of shell-shock, of a severity I haven't really seen outside footage of veterans from WW1/2 (along with Korea).
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Edit: he may also be having opiate withdrawals, as many of them are also junkies; besides shock, it's the only other thing I've seen make people shake that badly if they're not actually freezing.

Given these are slavs it could be he has the DTs, but people with DT typically aren't that responsive.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Given these are slavs it could be he has the DTs, but people with DT typically aren't that responsive.

The eyes are the giveaway. If it was Detox Delirium they would be unfocused, with the pupils different sizes and possibly even moving independently. Instead they are very focused, with the narrow lock on you would attribute to major adrenalin spike. Absolutely hyper aware. Its for sure severe shell shock. The mans fight or flight instinct has been engaged for so long its literally misfiring and he's overdosing on Adrenalin. Its causing his heart rate to spike uncontrollably, and his central nervous system to go haywire.

Mammals are not evolved to be in a perpetual state of existential dread. Its supposed to be temporary to deal with the immediate threat. But human warfare can go on for so long, and so intensely at times that our monkey brains literally cannot handle it anymore. Honestly those Ukrainian medics shouldn't even be talking to him and should instead be injecting him with knockout juice. Maybe they ran out.

 

[Clownish]

I think the one thing that has really shocked the Russians more then anything else is just how HARD the Ukrainian elites decided to go against them, to the point of sending their sons like the above to the front.

Here is a video of him and his team saving the life of a comrade. He is fighting on the front.

I don't know what effect this war is going to have on these young men when the war is over. Especially the son's of the elite that fought on the front lines. What I do know is that the elite that ran, or are skipping military service are dead to the public. General consensus of the people is that the Army is now the elite class of Ukraine and if you don't support the army you are a traitor. They are falling back to a Cossack mentality of the ruling class.

 

[Scout Trooper]

The eyes are the giveaway. If it was Detox Delirium they would be unfocused, with the pupils different sizes and possibly even moving independently. Instead they are very focused, with the narrow lock on you would attribute to major adrenalin spike. Absolutely hyper aware. Its for sure severe shell shock. The mans fight or flight instinct has been engaged for so long its literally misfiring and he's overdosing on Adrenalin. Its causing his heart rate to spike uncontrollably, and his central nervous system to go haywire.

Mammals are not evolved to be in a perpetual state of existential dread. Its supposed to be temporary to deal with the immediate threat. But human warfare can go on for so long, and so intensely at times that our monkey brains literally cannot handle it anymore. Honestly those Ukrainian medics shouldn't even be talking to him and should instead be injecting him with knockout juice. Maybe they ran out.

Agreed, I've seen this in Talibs we scooped up after they spent the night having their buddies taken out by Kiowas and Apaches. It's a combination of muscle fatigue, terror, and adrenaline spike starting to wear off.

* They're also frequently soaked in sweat or other fluids from rolling around on the ground to the extent that even a light breeze is going to be very uncomfortable.

 

[Bulk Bogan]

This is a common sentiment with Vatniks, they boast about it like Ukraine should be ashamed they're receiving equipment. It's war, you're going to want every leg up you can find. The seething about NATO equipment just makes me wish we gave even more.

You see it with lots of people in that same mold, especially Hitler fans. It's so unfair that the world put aside their differences and joined together to fight the insane genocidal maniac when all of Germany's plans depended on their enemies lining up one by one to fight. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind, etc.

 

[Replacement Account]

PTSD is one of those things that's been a lot longer than people think- IIRC one ancient chronicler mentions something along the lines of a greek (or macedonian I don't remember) hoplite who 'upon seeing his friend being killed next to him was struck blind'.

Many soldiers historically come back from wars effected in one way or another, but it of course was first widely bought to attention as 'Shell shock'- with the advent of modern war and constant shelling, it was like some of you up there have said, impossible to switch off, as death could come whistling from the sky at any moment.

Now in addition to this they also have to worry about drones coming to merc them at any moment.

There's going to be a lot of it on both sides, and it will probably be widely studied and documented, which is quite interesting if in a morbid way...and it's going to be a big part of rebuilding after the war. When people think of the costs of rebuilding it's usually in terms of material costs, not human.

Whilst I feel less sympathy for the invading Russians (for those with enough money or resources, simply buggering off to Georgia or bribery or something is an option), you know there are some mobiks dragged in from the rural districts who you know are going to suffer in the same way, but I don't think the 'Russia STRONK' mentality is going to lead to them getting much help- but I'm not russian and I've not really looked into the aftermath of their invasion of Afghanistan as a more modern example, so I could be talking out my ass.

This is KF though, so I don't really know if it's the right place to be worrying about human costs.

 

[Scout Trooper]

Apologies in case this has already been posted.

Drone footage of a bold Russian assault on a well-entrenched Ukrainian position.

Russians seem to take fairly effective Ukrainian indirect fire yet the same group appears to continue the assault. There are some edits but it seems to be the same continuous engagement. I haven't gotten through the whole sequence but apparently the trench changes hands a couple times.

I was surprised by the tenacity of the Russians (frankly I'm surprised by the tenacity of all parties involved) and the relative precision of the IDF.
There are a fair number of impacts from previous IDF so it's possible they had it pretty precisely dialed in by this point.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I don't know what effect this war is going to have on these young men when the war is over. Especially the son's of the elite that fought on the front lines.

I imagine they are going to be really fun to have at cocktail parties in Berlin and London 20 years from now. Can you just imagine the swaddled children of the British and German power structure having to hob nob with these guys.

What I do know is that the elite that ran, or are skipping military service are dead to the public. General consensus of the people is that the Army is now the elite class of Ukraine and if you don't support the army you are a traitor.

As it should be. Nobody will begrudge an aristocracy its privilege's provided it actually pays for them when the bill comes due. This is why the Western elites have been increasingly viewed with contempt as they start conflicts they themselves actively avoid participating in. I think one of the most fascinating things that will emerge from this war is the Ukrainian Oligarchy will become even more entrenched while simultaneously also viewed way more favorably by the common citizenry. The Kings castle is a symbol of oppression right up until the Mongols show up and he opens the gate to usher everyone inside.

 

[RodgerDodger]

And there was no Plan B. There couldn't be. The Russian Army is incapable of a protracted great power war in its current configuration. Especially one where it can't fall back on Nukes. Putin can threaten nukes all day but he can't fire them. If he gave the order there is a very good chance it will be disobeyed and he gets taken out in a coup.

The other specific problem is he can't use Nukes in Ukraine. Because history has taught everyone where radiation released in Ukraine goes. Northeast into the Russian Agricultural heartland. And even if Putin might be insane enough to do that, his advisors likely aren't.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

I especially do not understand how mentally unwell those people who constantly browse those compilation of "dead orcs" are. You're looking at dead bodies of men and you find it gratifying? Not entertaining in the sense gore is entertaining because it shocks you, gratifying because you see "an enemy" in a dead man?

Well, ruzzia is from more than a year directly blahblahing about going to war with several european nations. What is strange that people in Europe are happy when one of wagnetards is getting KIAded?

He is dead. Good, in case of directly fight between NATO and ruzzia the dead one will be not a threat. So why not to be happy about it?

 

[Slav Power]

Well, ruzzia is from more than a year directly blahblahing about going to war with several european nations. What is strange that people in Europe are happy when one of wagnetards is getting KIAded?

He is dead. Good, in case of directly fight between NATO and ruzzia the dead one will be not a threat. So why not to be happy about it?

Oh I don't know, maybe because a whole bunch of those dead Russian troops are people who got sent there by force and never wanted to be there, and only got sent there because their politicians wanted it to be like that? And there are people who haven't been completely blinded by hate towards anything remotely Russia related because of what every single media outlet in Poland yaps about every day for over a year now?

Oh I'm sorry, thinking that this war is a meaningless blood spill and that it's only happening because of the politicians is being a symmetrist, so my opinion is automatically discarded. I HAVE to take a side in this conflict, just like I had to take a side in every single other political issue happening in Poland or else I'm less than human.

Anyways, I'm not gonna bother with continuing this. Call me a Russian footwrap or whatever. It was my mistake going back into those idiotic discussions again.

 

[DumbDude43]

Radiation isn't a huge problem when we are using nuke, honestly. It is sginifant smaller then when you set on fire a nuclear reactor (type RBMK) mostly because most of uranium is used or perishes in the big BOOM. When BOOM is high in the air it is essentially a near nothingburger.

Nagasaki, Hiroshima and so one was habitable nearly just after being nuked.

When Chernobyl conducted a funny thing it wasn't a nucelar BOOM. It was conventional BOOM which used to send into air radioactive thrash. In insane ammounts. And honestly I'm more affraid about assalut against one of NPP - accidental explosion and fire in one RBMK reactor was catastrophic. What damage can be done if, lets say, a terrorist group will decide to take control over a NPP and recreat conditionsfor uncrontrolled accident in all of reactors?

it's also a massive difference in scale
the hiroshima bomb contained 64 kilograms of uranium
the nagasaki bomb contained just 7 kilograms of plutonium
meanwhile an rbmk reactor core holds something like 16 tons of fuel at a time

also, in a nuclear explosion (especially the modern fusion-boosted bombs) the nuclear material burns up completely, and almost instantly. there is a massive burst of immediate radiation that will instantly kill everyone within a 1 to 2 kilometer radius, but it lasts only a fraction of a second, after that there is very little radioactive material left. there are some radioactive fission products, but they are in the form of superheated gas, so they rise up into the atmosphere and disperse quickly.

meanwhile in a chernobyl style reactor fire, most of the nuclear fuel doesn't actually fission, it just sits there in the burning wreckage of the reactor core, half-melted from its own decay heat, surrounded by burning graphite blocks. it was the fire and smoke from those graphite blocks that carries little bits and pieces of ultra radioactive material out of the reactor core and into the surrounding area.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

The other specific problem is he can't use Nukes in Ukraine. Because history has taught everyone where radiation released in Ukraine goes. Northeast into the Russian Agricultural heartland. And even if Putin might be insane enough to do that, his advisors likely aren't.

Nukes are there to stop NATO (read: Americans) from rolling into Russia and putting Putin against the wall, not to win wars.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Nukes are there to stop NATO (read: Americans) from rolling into Russia and putting Putin against the wall, not to win wars.

And this is something every member of Russia's power structure understands. more importantly the USA knows that they know it. The US will not invade Russia proper, and more importantly we are keeping the Ukrainians on a Leash to keep THEM from invading Russia. After the Kharkiv Counter Offensive there was nothing between the UAF and the Russian City of Belgorod. The Ukrainains could very well have carried the war into Russia in the fall of 2022, and everyone knows it. Give some Russian towns a taste of their own medicine. Maybe fire a couple thousand 155 mm shells into a large Russian population center for good measure. The only reason they didn't was because of Russian Nukes. That's it.

If Putin deploys Nukes the gloves come off. There is nowhere for the escalation ladder to go and this war becomes total zigger death. The US will intervene with its air force and Navy and Ukraine will be free to do whatever the fuck it wants. The US may even retaliate with nukes of its own on Russian formations in Ukraine. A single Minuteman dropping its payload on Donetsk, Luhansk, Simferople and Sevastopol would really ruin Russia's day.

Which is why Putin CANT deploy the nukes. If he did that there is no going back and his flunkies are FUCKED. No more Dachas. No more Vodka. They will be hounded like dogs. Putin Knows this. His flunkies know this. The Ukrainians know this. And the American's know this.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

so the only geopolitical rival a battle ship would be a counter to would be China, and the US has been trying to diffuse strategic tensions & stop an arms race before it starts for the past 30 years.

Which is stupid, since America should be encouraging their enemies into strategic arms races because those would only bankrupt them (like what happened with the Soviet Union). Neither the Chinese nor the Russians can afford keep up with America technologically, and they would be foolish to even try, and both sides know this. China has spent years trying to steal American technology to close the gap and it still hasn't come close

And the fact is, the most likely touch point for a major war involving America is with China over Taiwan, not with Russia over Ukraine. Overwhelming naval power would be essential in such a conflict, and its literally the one conflict where you would want battleships shelling everything within 20 miles of the coasts.

And America's attempts to keep relations with the Chinese cordial have all been for not anyway, making any attempt to mollify them pointless.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Oh I don't know, maybe because a whole bunch of those dead Russian troops are people who got sent there by force and never wanted to be there, and only got sent there because their politicians wanted it to be like that?

And this changes nothing. Enemies soldiers are enemies soldiers that are better be dead ASAP or at least POV-ed. They mostly didn't try to be POV-ed, so...

...many people are happy that they die.

You see, if a war occurs it didn't matter at the end of a day if you are a volunteer or conscript. You are a guy with gun. On the other side on no-mans-land is plenty of similar guys witch also have guns. Both sides will try to not be killed, so they will kill their enemies, simple as fuck.

And after numerous threats from ruzzia to Baltics/Finland/Sweden/Poland/Germany/France/UK many people see them as enemies. It is that simple.

The only reason they didn't was because of Russian Nukes.

Other thing is that it is more difficult to conduct operations in enemies land. You have lesser amount of knowledge whatis in that place, population isn't supporting you at all and so other things.

@DumdDude43 And this is a quality post.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Other thing is that it is more difficult to conduct operations in enemies land. You have lesser amount of knowledge whatis in that place, population isn't supporting you at all and so other things.

True, but Ukraine probably could have put Belgorod under siege at a minimum by November last year. There was literally nothing in the way, and Russia would have been forced to redirect a ton of shit in the Donbass to deal with it. I'll even give Russia the Benefit of the doubt in believing they would have been able to push the UAF back out of Russia. But the doing of this would have left dozens of Russian towns in ruins and the Battle of Bakhmut would not have happened. Stopping at the border was a purely political decision governed by no military considerations but the nukes.

 

[Stoneheart]

I imagine they are going to be really fun to have at cocktail parties in Berlin and London 20 years from now. Can you just imagine the swaddled children of the British and German power structure having to hob nob with these guys.

The germasn elite isnt going to cocktail parties in Berlin... they stay in the south and west because Berlin is a disgusting degenerate place full of bootlickers and retards,

The german elite made some phonecalls from munich and düsseldorf and got the german governemnt to scrap a couple of laws last weekend because the tards go to out of hand.
cant force the average person to get a new green heating system or end ICE Cars in the EU.
Germany is run by old money and the politicians play their part. Scholz himself forgot about all those crimes he commited to save old money in some major tax scandal...

True, but Ukraine probably could have put Belgorod under siege at a minimum by November last year. There was literally nothing in the way, and Russia would have been forced to redirect a ton of shit in the Donbass to deal with it.

they were already strechted to thin while taking back contested areas.
NAto made the big mistake to spend money on the kike of kiev instead of PMCs. you can hire a quarter million cannonfodder with a billion $ and there is an endless supply of arabs and niggers to fill the ranks if mercs get blown up by the russians.
Assault weapons are also no issue, the US and the west can make millions of them even in peace times and those combined with an endless stream of Mercs will keep the russias at bay.

 

[Clownish]

Zigger bros...

This is a 28k follower Twitter account.
I hope it's just a troll.

 

[WhiteNight]

This is a 28k follower Twitter account.
I hope it's just a troll.

I browsed that account and can't figure out what its angle is. It just seems deranged. They paid for their checkmark though.

https://twitter.com/WayneTechSPFX