Megathread TERFs / Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists / Gender Critical Feminists - ft. r/GenderCritical & related reddits, Mancheeze, Cathy Brennan, GCDad, RadFHarva, Jamie Shupe, etc; "Gender Critical Feminism is Homophobic" - Cathy Brennan, 2019.

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

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Spoiler: Context

Actress Drew Barrymore literally got down on her knees in front of trans activist Dylan Mulvaney to show her support during an episode of her talk show.
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And Now we have gone full circle. Hear that terfs, how about stop blaming men all the time, if it weren't for your penis envy, then maybe the relations between sexes wouldn't be messed up. It's your ghoulish ideology's fault, Feminists Fault. How about you ladies take responsibility for your irresponsibility.

 

[mongrel]

ladies take responsibility for your irresponsibility.

Have you ever known a woman to accept responsibility for the consequences of her actions? Ever?

Gonna be same old same old

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I was wondering why so many terfs seem oddly quiet about this tranny shooter deal but it is all easily explained:

1. Shooter was female, thus it must be ultimately a man's fault (maybe her dad). Daily Mail is getting to work on that angle.
2. The victims were mostly kids, who are nothing more than "products of conception" to terfs, so nbd.
3. The shooting was timed inconveniently, taking attention of certain segments of the chattering class away from a troon hitting a dyke at some Posie Parker deal and putting the focus back on (shudder, ick, gross, yuck) little kids again.
4. Shooter looked and acted (and probably smelled) like a typical femcel dyke so she's lowkey one of them anyhow.

Once this is retconned as a heart-cry due to muh homophobia, they will quietly shift to stanning her. I'm sure on their little true crime boards they're getting the spin engines warmed up already.

 

[Kermit the Impaler]

Lisa Michele started a live stream accusing King Critical of bad behavior while King Critical was doing a livestream on a Jessie Gender video. KC stopped doing his video and started a livestream responding to Lisa Michele.

During his live-stream, KC linked to a video he had done the prior day to respond to whatever Lisa Michele's accusing him off.

Sorry, not deep enough into gcs to know the story behind this drama and haven't watched all videos yet but the simple fact of dueling accusatory live-streams and preemptive defense videos is hilarious.

So it's like that huh (Lisa Michele on KC)

We need to talk about Lisa Michele (Sorry... drama)

A pre emptive statement on lisa for posterity

 

[Calories]

KC streams video already privated.

 

[Kermit the Impaler]

Lisa Michele started a live stream accusing King Critical of bad behavior while King Critical was doing a livestream on a Jessie Gender video. KC stopped doing his video and started a livestream responding to Lisa Michele.

During his live-stream, KC linked to a video he had done the prior day to respond to whatever Lisa Michele's accusing him off.

Sorry, not deep enough into gcs to know the story behind this drama and haven't watched all videos yet but the simple fact of dueling accusatory live-streams and preemptive defense videos is hilarious.

So it's like that huh (Lisa Michele on KC)

We need to talk about Lisa Michele (Sorry... drama)

A pre emptive statement on lisa for posterity

Tried to save the videos but they got privated while I was downloading them. What I saw of KCs videos, he said he joked around with Lisa, she would be fine with it, then later come back and accuse him of sexual harrasment. He also said she was always like asking him if she could trust him cause she had been hurt by men before and that was kind of messed up.

 

[whoevencares]

i watched lisa michele's whole stream and she had a lot of receipts of him being awful

 

[Sissyagamben]

High af here to shit up this thread with my autistic Deep Thunk

I don't understand how Third Wave feminism had contributed to the rise of troon. Is it really 3rd wave or misinterpretation of 3rd wave? Both are stupid, yes, but is there ideological support for troonism in 3rd wave?
I haven't read as many feminists as many kiwis here do, please let me know
For 3rd wave to make sense, Freud Lacan and Semiology have to all make sense (none does). It's retarded on its own, but how does its logic validate troonism? My halfhearted reading of Butler got sth like "man wear pants performance, women make up performance, man can wear make up, women can wear pants, nbd." Then it would only be reasonable that wearing pants =/= male (because it's constructed), doing make up=/=women (constructed). And if you are a guy who likes pink, doesn't mean you are a woman, and if you are a woman who likes man stuffs, you are just a woman who likes those stuffs. Maybe I'm too optimistic and giving her too much credit in this reading? If this is 3rd wave, it wouldn't make sense for them to want men to chop off dick for liking women stuff etc.

Alas, Butler is now a They/She. Or She/ They I don't know. I think she even said pronouns do not refer to "real" gender/sex/whatever, but people may want it because literally we live in a society. People would want to be a THEY because that's how the society groups them etc. Which is neither her nor there, but I think somewhat understandable. Still, nothing of this says of troonism we have today.

If I'm not overly optimistic about 3rd wave feministm, I think maybe it's their autistic obsession with semiology that muddied the water? Or maybe all of these were part of the antichrist's plan to destabilize traditional values after all. What do y'all think

 

[Nocturnal Brainbow Damage]

i watched lisa michele's whole stream and she had a lot of receipts of him being awful

Bing bang bosh here ya go:

Spoiler: KC Streams/Michael cringe texts

The texts are kind of blurry to read for me so here’s the link in case they’re clearer for any of you

At the beginning of the google doc she says he texted her about a wet dream he had about her, but deleted so she doesn’t have the evidence of it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bqZd9Vm6mGGsLEht1gueWJ8cjw-90Do4evLTlwwZWK4/mobilebasic

 

[EverlyB]

Just noticed a major plot hole in gender-critical complaints.

They see the world kowtowing to praise, celebrate, and accommodate TIMs at women's expense and call that male privilege.

Yet they also say trans ideology is homophobic and stereotype-enforcing by insisting a gay man in a dress should really be a woman instead of a man in a dress.

So which is it? Is Dylan Mulvaney supported by the "patriarchy" for being a man in a dress, or a woman in a dress?

 

[Tau Tack]

Dylan would be unexceptional if he weren’t a man, that’s the point.

 

[mongrel]

High af here to shit up this thread with my autistic Deep Thunk

I don't understand how Third Wave feminism had contributed to the rise of troon. Is it really 3rd wave or misinterpretation of 3rd wave? Both are stupid, yes, but is there ideological support for troonism in 3rd wave?
I haven't read as many feminists as many kiwis here do, please let me know
For 3rd wave to make sense, Freud Lacan and Semiology have to all make sense (none does). It's retarded on its own, but how does its logic validate troonism? My halfhearted reading of Butler got sth like "man wear pants performance, women make up performance, man can wear make up, women can wear pants, nbd." Then it would only be reasonable that wearing pants =/= male (because it's constructed), doing make up=/=women (constructed). And if you are a guy who likes pink, doesn't mean you are a woman, and if you are a woman who likes man stuffs, you are just a woman who likes those stuffs. Maybe I'm too optimistic and giving her too much credit in this reading? If this is 3rd wave, it wouldn't make sense for them to want men to chop off dick for liking women stuff etc.

Alas, Butler is now a They/She. Or She/ They I don't know. I think she even said pronouns do not refer to "real" gender/sex/whatever, but people may want it because literally we live in a society. People would want to be a THEY because that's how the society groups them etc. Which is neither her nor there, but I think somewhat understandable. Still, nothing of this says of troonism we have today.

If I'm not overly optimistic about 3rd wave feministm, I think maybe it's their autistic obsession with semiology that muddied the water? Or maybe all of these were part of the antichrist's plan to destabilize traditional values after all. What do y'all think

Your likely overthinking this, probably because your stoned af.

It's not that there was explicit ideological support for troons in 3rd wave, instead it's that their obsession with the concept of gender identity (absolute nonsense) has enabled troons.

I suspect a large portion of the mtf bunch are just betas kicking back at the relentless girl boss metoo propaganda we've been force fed over the past years, but that a lot of the ftms are just girls uncomfortable with suddenly being viewed as fucktoys taking constructing their own gender identity to it's logical conclusion.

 

[GettrGriftr]

AFAIAC, troons and TERFS can all hold hands and FUCK RIGHT OFF A FUCKING CLIFF!! AND THEY CAN PARTICULARLY FUCK RIGHT OFF FROM KF!!

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

Ramifications, consequences, and all other manner of disruptions to societal norms that result from a nascent social movement are almost impossible to predict in the moment. You reap what you sow, so you better well take a second to think about what you're sowing. They've really not helped themselves with the 20 layers of manufactured and contrived theory that adds nothing, and only serves as a consistent pay check for the academics who've sold their soul to this movement.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

AFAIAC, troons and TERFS can all hold hands and FUCK RIGHT OFF A FUCKING CLIFF!! AND THEY CAN PARTICULARLY FUCK RIGHT OFF FROM KF!!

There are legitimate reasons to criticize TERFs, but for fucks sake, take your meds and calm down, sped.

It's not that there was explicit ideological support for troons in 3rd wave, instead it's that their obsession with the concept of gender identity (absolute nonsense) has enabled troons.

Ramifications, consequences, and all other manner of disruptions to societal norms that result from a nascent social movement are almost impossible to predict in the moment. You reap what you sow, so you better well take a second to think about what you're sowing. They've really not helped themselves with the 20 layers of manufactured and contrived theory that adds nothing, and only serves as a consistent pay check for the academics who've sold their soul to this movement.

I made a similar point in this thread, where I briefly review After the Ball, an instruction manual used by LGB activists in the 90s.

While the authors do criticize the movement for not being exclusionary enough towards pedophile activists, and for being more hyper-sexual than straights, their criticisms are toothless in the face of the fact that they themselves advocated for the same tactics that would be picked up by troon activists decades later. Bullshit emotional reasoning, histrionics, self-victimization, and struggle-session tactics against anyone who opposes gay marriage for any reason, no matter how well-thought out or well-meaning, treating anyone who disagrees with them like complete monsters who need to be ostracized from society.

Once you throw out logic and reason, and struggle-session anyone who disagrees with you, you forfeit the right to complain when troons and chomos decide to use it against not just old conservatives, but also LGB people.

Any criticism that they could have levied against queer theorists is toothless when you realize that even gay marriage is disruptive to the fabric of society. For these people to demand that the institution of marriage be changed to include those with disordered sexualities, change it to ensure that they don't feel left-out and sad, and then condemn any of the other degenerate sexual practices and lifestyles that hit the mainstream almost immediately at 2015, is fucking laughable.

 

[GettrGriftr]

There are legitimate reasons to criticize TERFs, but for fucks sake, take your meds and calm down, sped.

I won't, y'know

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Any criticism that they could have levied against queer theorists is toothless when you realize that even gay marriage is disruptive to the fabric of society. For these people to demand that the institution of marriage be changed to include those with disordered sexualities, change it to ensure that they don't feel left-out and sad, and then condemn any of the other degenerate sexual practices and lifestyles that hit the mainstream almost immediately at 2015, is fucking laughable.

Radfems can somehow see the harm in saying this is a woman:



...and yet play dumb about why only one type of configuration is actually designed to work properly:

 

[August16]

Lisa Michele doesn't seem the most stable of individuals, from what she express in these messages. This fear of putting idea out and being rejected, clearly needs to build some thicker skin, but it's painful to expose yourself to build thicker skin, so she won't do it. How old is she, over 30? You'd think she'd learned by now. But she's also making a mistake calling KC sociopathic, I'd say it's common for people to act for their own "benefit" in a relationship, without considering how (it makes) other people feel. If that makes sense. Sometimes people hide their true feelings really well, how can you know something's wrong with how things are going? If anything, that's what I would call gaslighting... unless it's done out of fear.

King Critical, I don't know what to think. He's not the most stable of individuals either, by his own admission. But he should have known to draw a line with his collaborators. Looks like he didn't think things through enough. He should have treated this like a business. He didn't and now he pays for it.

 

[Ser Prize]

@mongrel
Where the fuck is this 'the second you grow tits men view you as fuckmeat' shit coming from? Because that's a retarded TERF take and forcing that hysterical thinking onto girls is what's causing TiFs.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Where the fuck is this 'the second you grow tits men view you as fuckmeat' shit coming from? Because that's a retarded TERF take and forcing that hysterical thinking onto girls is what's causing TiFs.

Its a combination of typical female expression of their sexuality and feminist propaganda.

The first part is like rape fantasies women have. "Oh, I'm so sexy that he can't control himself." "Everyman, regardless of age finds me (a child) as a modern day venus. Woe is me!"

The second is plain old feminist propaganda instilled into girls/women in liberal/progressive environments. They're already encouraged to be butch or dress masculine. Might as well go ahead and remove one of the largest physical aspects of being a woman.

And of course these reasons for it, somehow become the fault of men. Its all so very insidious.