US Texas to take up bill requiring Ten Commandments in every public school classroom - WTF is "Separation of Church & State"?

The Texas state Senate Education Committee this week will take up a bill requiring the Ten Commandments to be installed in every public school classroom, and another that would allow schools to hire pastors or chaplains instead of counselors.


“A public elementary or secondary school shall display in a conspicuous place in each classroom of the school a durable poster or framed copy of the Ten Commandments,” reads SB 1515.

The bill is extremely specific, mandating the size of the poster (at least 16 x 20), and that it be readable from anywhere in the classroom: “in a size and typeface that is legible to a person with average vision from anywhere in the classroom in which the poster or framed copy is displayed.”

The bill also includes the complete text of the Ten Commandments, in the version ordained by its author, state Senator Phil King, a Republican.

Senator King’s bill goes as far as to mandate that if a school classroom does not have the Ten Commandments posted, it “must” accept a copy if anyone donates one, and any extras “must” be offered for donation to any other school. It can also use taxpayer funds to purchase a copy.


NBC News senior investigative reporter Mike Hixenbaugh, who posted news of the bill on Monday, points out language in the Ten Commandments might be confusing to a first grader.


The Education Committee will also take up a bill “allowing school districts to employ chaplains to perform the duties of school counselors.”

The bill, SB 763, specifies that the chaplains do not need to be certified by the state education board.

Texas Republican Governor Greg Abbott, believed to be gauging a run for the White House, as the state Attorney General won a U.S. Supreme Court case allowing the Ten Commandments to be displayed on the state capitol grounds.



A constitutional attorney for the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) in 2019 wrote allowing the Ten Commandments in classrooms would “impose biblical law on the state’s public schools,” and added: “Such displays are illegal.”

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[Overcast]

So does our Declaration of Independence.
So do numerous state constitutions.
So does our money.

You and the atheists can seethe about it all you want but America was founded by Christians as a Christian nation under God. In times that we actually remembered that and stayed true to it we have flourished. In times like now when retards try to make the Almighty's name a curse word, we are growing ever weaker.

This sort of thing has been happening and happening for all time. People will take God for granted and mess things up for themselves and then come back to the Heavenly Father when they're ready. You and I may or may not see that happen during our time here, but it'll happen. That or the Rapture.

We the people may be growing weaker, but God does not and will not.

 

[Sithis]

May I suggest you read the establishment clause of the Constitution? It outright disputes your claim that America is a "Christian nation."

>Establishing
>"Sponsoring"

You have yet to explain how the ten commandments being in schools is establishment of religion any more than a copy of the Declaration which explicitly names God as the creator and judge of man, and the text itself doesn't say anything about "sponsoring religion." I'd have hoped even a Hillary simp wouldn't be so naive as to rely on wikipedia for any sources except how communism is totes legit the best.

Edit - my bad, maybe not wikipedia, but still a shit source if it can't even get the text right.

 

[Coldgrip]

Why do I get the feeling that if instead of the ten commandments it was statues of baphomet or some other faggy satanist icon the libs would be shitting themselves in delight.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Good. Anyone who blathers about "mUh separation of Church and State!" is a fool - that phrase is found nowhere in the Constitution, but what IS found in the First Amendment is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" - NO law.

 

[The Last Stand]

>Establishing
>"Sponsoring"

You have yet to explain how the ten commandments being in schools is establishment of religion any more than a copy of the Declaration which explicitly names God as the creator and judge of man, and the text itself doesn't say anything about "sponsoring religion." I'd have hoped even a Hillary simp wouldn't be so naive as to rely on wikipedia for any sources except how communism is totes legit the best.

Okay, why are people on here thinking that I'm an atheist? I participate in Bible study in my free time.

Secondly, the Declaration of Independence is an important relic of American history, not an outright endorsement of any religious faith in context.

The 10 Commandments List, Short Form*​

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.

Commandments 1, 3 and 4 explicitly introduce two tenets of religious faith with Christianity and Judaism.

 

[Still Exceptional]

When I was a kid my teacher had a poster on his classroom wall. It was titled "The 2 Commandments of Learning."
The tablets read SIT DOWN and SHUT UP.

 

[The Last Stand]

There's no such thing. The Tranny Cult and CRT are nothing more than religious ideologies being pushed by Democrats and funded by taxpayer money. Just because their religion doesn't feature a God, doesn't mean it's bereft of metaphysical assumptions.

I would love to see that transgenderism can be argued as a religion given it shares the same tenets of worship, idolization, and nationalism as any other faith.

 

[TheBigZee]

>Establishing
>"Sponsoring"

You have yet to explain how the ten commandments being in schools is establishment of religion any more than a copy of the Declaration which explicitly names God as the creator and judge of man, and the text itself doesn't say anything about "sponsoring religion." I'd have hoped even a Hillary simp wouldn't be so naive as to rely on wikipedia for any sources except how communism is totes legit the best.

Edit - my bad, maybe not wikipedia, but still a shit source if it can't even get the text right.

The bill establishes a definitive translation of the ten commandments.

 

[Sithis]

Commandments 1, 3 and 4 explicitly introduce two tenets of religious faith with Christianity and Judaism.

We can go in circles all you want but you still have yet to explain how having posters on the wall establishes those faiths any more than having a copy of a founding document which invokes God multiple times, money that says In God We Trust and more.

Okay, why are people on here thinking that I'm an atheist? I participate in Bible study in my free time.

Secondly, the Declaration of Independence is an important relic of American history, not an outright endorsement of any religious faith in context.

Tell me, how many other faiths push that there is a single all powerful Creator who serves as the judge of man and endows us with all rights? If the founders were so agnostic/atheistic, why bother mentioning God at all?

I find it more than a little disturbing that you're much more vocal arguing about this than I've ever seen you be about BLM/tranny flags in classrooms btw.

 

[Android raptor]

If Texas wants to be a theocracy so bad, it should be forced to succeed first.

 

[X Prime]

God, it is painful watching the Last Stand fail to argue a coherent point alongside high-school tier appeals to authority.

 

[Android raptor]

Tell me, how many other faiths push that there is a single all powerful Creator who serves as the judge of man and endows us with all rights?

All the abrahamic ones, for one.

 

[Duke Nukem]

It already is
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Might as well have some morals about not stealing and not lying

I pledge allegiance,
to the flag,
of the United Fags of America,
and to the buttfucking,
for which it stands,
One Nation,
With No God,
Pedophiliac,
With STDs and Drag Queens For All.

 

[The Last Stand]

I find it more than a little disturbing that you're much more vocal arguing about this than I've ever seen you be about BLM/tranny flags in classrooms btw.

Search my screen name on here with "BLM," "troons" and "LGBT" then. Likely because I don't inject politics in everything when I'm on here.

Don't make me go Joan Crawford on your raw steak.

 

[TheBigZee]

If Texas wants to be a theocracy so bad, it should be forced to succeed first.

The second civil war being fought over the right to expel a state would be peak irony.

 

[Sithis]

All the abrahamic ones, for one.

Which was my point in that specific post. The Founders weren't Muslim, that's for sure, and while a few might have had some Judaic tendencies, most of them were either outright Christians or some weird proto-hipster version of Christians like Jefferson. The language they used in the Declaration wasn't some happenstance, it was intentional, and they very intentionally referenced God as being supreme and almighty.

Don't make me go Joan Crawford on your raw steak.

I was going to make a joke about having to gum a steak but then I remembered she's been dead for longer than I've been alive.

 

[The Last Stand]

God, it is painful watching the Last Stand fail to argue a coherent point alongside high-school tier appeals to authority.

When are we going to have a public discussion?

 

[Kosher Dill]

The bill also includes the complete text of the Ten Commandments, in the version ordained by its author, state Senator Phil King, a Republican.

Funny, I thought the author of the Ten Commandments was someone else altogether.

What version is used in the bill anyway? It doesn't seem to match up with any of the KJV permutations at any rate.

 

[Android raptor]

Which was my point in that specific post. The Founders weren't Muslim, that's for sure, and while a few might have had some Judaic tendencies, most of them were either outright Christians or some weird proto-hipster version of Christians like Jefferson. The language they used in the Declaration wasn't some happenstance, it was intentional, and they very intentionally referenced God as being supreme and almighty.

That's nice, US still isn't supposed to be a theocracy. Nor should it be one, since theocracies are pretty universally oppressive shitholes.

 

[The Last Stand]

The language they used in the Declaration wasn't some happenstance, it was intentional, and they very intentionally referenced God as being supreme and almighty.

The same logic applies to why The Constitution never mentions God. The two documents do co-exist but differ in context.