US L.A. blasting classical music to drive unhoused people from subway station. It’s louder than officials claim

L.A. blasting classical music to drive unhoused people from subway station. It’s louder than officials claim
Los Angeles Times (archive.ph)
By Jessica Gelt
2023-04-04 23:05:15GMT

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A man sleeps on his belongings at the MacArthur station in Los Angeles on March 29, 2023. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times)

A battle is being waged at the Westlake/MacArthur Park Metro station near downtown Los Angeles. The weapon of choice? Loud classical music.

The classical music — along with floodlights at either end of the station platform — are part of a pilot program that L.A. Metro operations and security, in cooperation with law enforcement, began implementing at the station in January. In an email to The Times, Metro said the music is a royalty-free playlist it compiled of piano sonatas, symphony orchestra pieces and concertos, including some by Vivaldi, Beethoven and Mozart.

L.A. Metro’s goal with the music and lights is to reduce crime and drive away unhoused people. But the use of music is divisive, with online commentators calling it an inhumane torture tactic. Critics also argue that it does nothing to address the root causes of the problems plaguing the station.

Music, classical and otherwise, has a long history of being used as a technique for discomfort and coercion. Heavy metal and hard rock drove strongman Manuel Noriega out of hiding at the Vatican’s embassy in Panama City in 1989. The music of Metallica was used as a torture device against Iraqi detainees during the War on Terror and is listed on the notorious “Guantanamo Bay” playlist.

“You’re trying to attract and make certain people feel comfortable based on the associations with classical music,” says musicologist Lily E. Hirsch, author of “Music in American Crime Prevention and Punishment.” “And you see that in fancy cheese shops that play classical music because they hope people will feel like they’re a part of some elite upscale world and then they’ll spend more money.”

That feeling is not intrinsic to classical music, says Hirsch, but when the music is being used as a tool to achieve a goal — driving certain people away while welcoming others, for example — those cultural associations are manipulated.

When classical music is used in dark and aggressive ways, it can also feel dystopian and creepy, notes Hirsch, not unlike the mood of “The Silence of the Lambs.” One Twitter user compared the music at MacArthur Park station to Stanley Kubrick’s psychological horror film “A Clockwork Orange.”

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Security officers keep an eye on things while a flood light shines at the far end of the Westlake/MacArthur Park Metro Station in Los Angeles. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times)

Sound is experienced differently in different environments, and it can be louder depending on where it is being heard. Decibels are the measure of sound intensity. In confined spaces such as a subway station, which has hard edges, high ceilings and plenty of echo-y metal and concrete surfaces for the sound to bounce off of, decibel levels will be higher.

The music in the Westlake/MacArthur Park Metro is not being played at fancy-cheese-shop levels: It clocks in at an average of 83 decibels on a handheld decibel meter, although during some string flourishes it peaks at 90 dB (depending on where in the station you’re standing, and your proximity to the speakers). The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website puts decibel levels between 80 and 85 on par with gas-powered lawnmowers and leaf blowers, and notes that damage to hearing is possible after two hours of exposure.

In an email to The Times, L.A. Metro spokesperson Dave Sotero wrote that “the music is not loud” at MacArthur Park, saying the compositions inside the station are being played at 72 dB.

A handheld meter registered certain musical phrases at 73 dB, but rarely — it was typically much louder than that. Sotero also said the music in the station is quieter than walking on the sidewalk outside the station, which he said exceeds 80 dB. A trip aboveground with a handheld dB meter found the ambient street noise — street vendors chatting, kids playing and laughing, buses whooshing by — hovering at an average of 72 dB.

There is a clear disconnect between what transit riders and the unhoused are experiencing in the subterranean confines of the station and L.A. Metro’s official line about the music’s volume.

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Commuters make their way through the MacArthur station in Los Angeles on March 29, 2023. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times)

On a recent Monday afternoon in the station, commuters pace the sticky, trash-strewn platform, and a number of unhoused people rest on various concrete benches. A driving, high-energy piece of classical music blares, with ecstatic strings and many high notes punctuated by somewhat ominous low notes on keyboards. The four-minute composition “Immaterial,” by contemporary classical composer Adrián Berenguer, is being played on loop. (Berenguer did not respond to multiple requests for comment about this use of his music. It is unclear whether this song is royalty-free, as Metro stated.)

When two police officers approached two unhoused people and tried talking to them on Monday, one person cupped her hand to her ear. An officer leaned closer and shouted. The unhoused people nodded and began gathering their belongings to go, squinting in the bright spotlight.

It appears that the loud classical music is working at cross-purposes here, says Hirsch. She notes there is a history of classical music being used in public places, including town squares and outside various businesses, as a way to signal that certain people are wanted and others are unwanted.

“It’s like a bird marking its territory where you hear the signal and you go, ‘OK, this is not for me. This is for the older money crowd,’” she says. “And that technique seems to work. There are examples of teenagers leaving an area that’s playing classical music, not because they don’t like the music but because of the associations.” In fact, 7-Eleven has used classical music outside L.A.-area stores to deter loitering since 2019.

The problem with this approach, says Hirsch, “is you’re creating hierarchies of sound” by making it clear that an area belongs to certain privileged groups and not other people.

“And you’re not solving the problem,” she adds. “You’re just pushing the problem to another spot.”

The volume of the music at Westlake/MacArthur Park station makes it an outlier in this way, adds Hirsch, because the high decibel level intrinsically makes the station feel unwelcoming to anyone passing through. (One commuter said on Wednesday that the music was so loud that he might not continue riding Metro.)

L.A. Metro is undoubtedly in crisis. A recent Times story reported that 22 people have died of suspected overdoses on Metro buses and trains so far this year, and that serious crime — including rape, aggravated assault and robbery — was up 24% for 2022 compared with 2021. A Times 404 video noted that Metro spends between $150 million and $200 million annually on policing, but a majority of emergency calls weren’t answered by law enforcement assigned to Metro.

In an email to The Times, Sotero wrote that the music is being used “to restore safety at the transit station” and “as means to support an atmosphere appropriate for spending short periods of time for transit customers who wait an average of 5 to 10 minutes for the next train to arrive.” The transit authority says the strategy has resulted in an “improvement in public safety,” citing a “75 percent reduction in calls for emergency service, an over 50 percent reduction in vandalism, graffiti and cleanups, and a nearly 20 percent drop in crime.”

Los Angeles County Supervisor Hilda Solis, who is also a Metro board member, issued a statement to The Times noting that she is working with the organization to introduce “care first” strategies to the station and plaza, and that she supports piloting safety interventions that “introduce alternatives to deploying additional armed law enforcement on the system.”

Yet the current alternative of elevated volume, coupled with repetition, is a way that music has been used as torture throughout history, says Hirsch. Constant exposure to loud music can disrupt sleep and thought and eventually make people lose their connection to themselves. In the 30 minutes a reporter spent in the station this week, the same piece of music was on loop — the same music was again playing on Wednesday when a Times photographer visited the station.

Isis Soto, an unhoused woman sitting in the station on a recent Wednesday, said she didn’t mind the loud orchestras and strings. “I enjoy classical music,” she says. “It wouldn’t keep me out. It will help keep me down here longer.”
 
The ghetto 7/11's in my city started playing classical music and they went from 3-4 nigger bums outside at all times to zero.

It fucking works

That's the reason you see so many bleeding hearts jewing about it, it actually is a good deterrent.
Can confirm. 7/11's in my city are doing it too. When I saw articles about it, I immediately had @millais thread come to mind and a nice big shit eating grin found itself a comfy home on my face.

I just want to buy a Rockstar and some smokes, I don't give a fuck about your "woe is me" story inconveniencing me at a convenience store, you worthless fucking junkies.
 
I mean honestly, it does sound like a fucking headache. I don’t care how nice the music is, I don’t want to hear it echoing around at >80Db while I’m standing there smelling piss and contemplating suicide because I live in LA.

Then again, who is trying to sleep down there right now? For warmth? It’s fucking california.
Bruh do you know how detached from reality this makes you sound? A basic ass FM station probably cycles through the same 90/100 minutes on a given day. Many retail places send out soundtracks that are 30-60 minutes and change every 30-90 days. Sure it's not pleasant but anyone that's worked any amount of time for low wages will be more than used to it. Get headphones, go somewhere else, or deal with it. It's not torture. You want torture? Look up rabbit prey sound loops. It's like baby's screams but louder. Throw in something like "It's a Small World" every now & again.
 
The ghetto 7/11's in my city started playing classical music and they went from 3-4 nigger bums outside at all times to zero.

It fucking works

That's the reason you see so many bleeding hearts jewing about it, it actually is a good deterrent.

Several gas stations here started playing it too. Sadly we already lost our last 7-11 to one too many armed robberies. One of the employees told me that he was robbed on the nightshift five times with an AK. Our other 7-11 never opened back up after it was torn apart by the riots. This was a nice area 30 years ago. Now it looks like a dystopian hellscape.

When two police officers approached two unhoused people and tried talking to them on Monday, one person cupped her hand to her ear. An officer leaned closer and shouted. The unhoused people nodded and began gathering their belongings to go, squinting in the bright spotlight.

It is a problem if the people the cops are trying to talk to can't hear them. All it takes is one misstep and we have another riot.

What's with the term "unhoused"? I know homelessness has a stigma attached to it. But changing the term doesn't really remove that or solve the core problem. It's like putting a band-aid on a gushing wound and saying "There! I fixed it!" :biggrin:

I imagine it came from some woketard who thinks nice new words make everything better.
 
What's with the term "unhoused"? I know homelessness has a stigma attached to it. But changing the term doesn't really remove that or solve the core problem. It's like putting a band-aid on a gushing wound and saying "There! I fixed it!" :biggrin:

I imagine it came from some woketard who thinks nice new words make everything better.
That's exactly where the term comes from - a woketard who engages in superficial feel-good shit. To me, it sounds like turning people into a business statistic; I can imagine someone saying "we have 500 unhoused people and our budget is this much."
 
Since when? The program can't be that great if the results are more homeless addicts and schizophrenics.
Since the 90s. But the telling thing here is that these Bums outright refuse it completely. I have seen hobos who are trying to pick their lives back up and get on with their lives but there are too many who are content on living in tents and doing drugs.
 
I blasted the most homosexual music possible at the car wash for the beaners playing mariachi music. They got the hint too.
As to music being used as a "weapon", I was at a Korean spa in Seattle recently and two Vietnamese women would not shut the fuck up in one of the hot sauna rooms. Their conversation was not even quiet but at a loud conversation volume...so what did I do?

I played the recording from Operation Wandering Soul at full blast.
Operation Wandering Soul was a propaganda campaign and psychological warfare effort exercised by U.S. forces during the Vietnam War. It was an attempt to increase desertions and defections from Việt Cộng forces and weaken their morale.
The bitches got the message and shut the fuck up.

Why are they opposed to loud classical music?

I thought it was an integral part of the urban identity to like loud noises.

Critics also argue that it does nothing to address the root causes of the problems plaguing the station.
The solution LA proposed is to build apartment complexes for the homeless where each unit costs $837,000.
A $1.2 billion program intended to quickly build housing for Los Angeles’ sprawling homeless population is moving too slowly while costs are spiking, with one project under development expected to hit as much as $837,000 for each housing unit, a city audit disclosed Wednesday.

About 1,200 units have been completed since voters approved the spending in 2016, which was then a centerpiece in a strategy intended to get thousands of people off the streets. But the tally of units built so far is “wholly inadequate” in the context of the homeless crisis, said the audit issued by city Controller Ron Galperin.
 
Wondering if they are using one of those very specific YT playlist like "classical songs for when you wanna murder your enemies". I hope to soon see "classical playlist to kick your hobbo out of your garden".




What is LA Metro supposed to do to "address the root cause of the problems"? Build homeless shelters? Give cash to all the homeless in the county?
Build shelters isn't as hard or expensive as people think. I read some proposal for doing that here (albeit for old people with low income rather than homeless), but then we don't have the homeless problem that San Francisco has.

Kinda expected they blast "Ride of the Valkyries" at maximum strength.
Funny how people often think classical music is relaxed and calm when most famous pieces are like the soundtrack to bring down a freaking castle with your bare hands.

Tragically, yes. I've seen it happen. A mob of niggers and hood rats will congregate to some drugged up boom box nog or spic blasting ghetto tracks. Its part of the reason why the trains are concentrations of dregs.
It might be due to blacks looking to feel overestimulated and music does that. Music has its own psychology too. The reason you see pop music on train stations or fast food restrs. is because you want people to move fast and leave. Stores have soft music because they want people to stay long enough to feel tempted by something and buy it.

Years ago we had a debate about public transportation using music or not, because independent drivers played loud music (salsa, reggaeton, cumbias, etc) and the noise was too much. Imagine blasting all that at the same time. The libertarian types got mad because they said it was a restriction of their freedoms. Public transportation shouldn't have loud violent music because that makes you leave and the person inside the bus or taxi cannot control that.
 
Play flight of the bumblebee at 81 decibels on a constant loop and maybe they will have time to actually fix all the other broken shit too. Ofc you should give the workers fixing shit some nice noise cancelling headphones while they work, I'm not heartless.

But fuck LA anyways for many reasons. I grew up in Cali and I've always hated that sprawling shitpile.
 
Since the 90s. But the telling thing here is that these Bums outright refuse it completely. I have seen hobos who are trying to pick their lives back up and get on with their lives but there are too many who are content on living in tents and doing drugs.
I would argue the money being there for programs without some sort of "stick" to motivate the addicts is not much of an effective system. But I take your meaning.
 
What's with the term "unhoused"? I know homelessness has a stigma attached to it. But changing the term doesn't really remove that or solve the core problem. It's like putting a band-aid on a gushing wound and saying "There! I fixed it!" :biggrin:
It's part of the "housing first" philosophy that's been getting pushed by Democrats. Feel like it also gets connected to the YIMBY people that think getting rid of cars and creating a bunch of 400 sq ft apartments would solve homelessness.

They're the sort of people whose ideal vision of cities is everyone living in slums.
 
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