Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Kane Lives]

The sole point of western charity is to establish a dependence relationship where Africa NEEDS American gibs otherwise it falls apart. Chinese charity builds Africa up so that it can build itself up and become independent. Of course they will got with the Chinese support.

I expect the American Empire goes down in history as being much worse then Nazi Germany.

Let's not kid ourselves; Chinese support do not come without strings (see: extremely favourable trade agreements for raw materials). But at least the Han don't tell you to support buttsex "or else".

Agree otherwise on western "charity". It was, at best, an extremely shortsighted scheme, and at worst, a cynical ploy to keep the blacks down and dependant.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Let's not kid ourselves; Chinese support do not come without strings (see: extremely favourable trade agreements for raw materials). But at least the Han don't tell you to support buttsex "or else".

Agree otherwise on western "charity". It was, at best, an extremely shortsighted scheme, and at worst, a cynical ploy to keep the blacks down and dependant.

Yeah, there are obviously trade agreements but they're not forcing the countries into slavery and giving them corporate script to trade with and being forced to allow American companies to exploit them. China is infinitely better in Africa than America. Even Russia is.

 

[The Ugly One]

Offtopic rant, but it's amazing to me how few westerners understand that good charity for Africa consists of building infrastructure and providing practical education ("how to operate factory equipment", "how to manage a warehouse", "how to run a modern farm"), rather than just handing out bags of rice and other gibs. Yeah, they do need food and clothes, but just handing out gibs doesn't solve the underlying issue; that the poor parts of Africa are a nightmare for logistics that prohibits not just industrialisation, but also most aspects of modern civic society. How are you supposed to build an economy when towns are connected to each other only by mud roads so rutted that even military lorries get bogged and need to be winched out? On the other hand if you provide paved roads, railroads, and harbours, people will be able to build factories and produce things for export, which produces money they can use to buy some of the export products for themselves. As it is large swaths of highly fertile farmland are devoted to growing cash crops, because all the gibs means there's no internal market (and little demand) for food crops, even while starvation is rampant. Why should a village go to all the work clearing land for a new farm, when the domestic market for food crops is tiny, and there is no viable way to export large volumes? Why should a villager work hard in the t-shirt factory to earn money to buy bread, if he can just stay at home until the westerners give him a sack of rice?

Western charity is designed to make people feel good about themselves, while the Chinese charity is designed to uplift countries into viable trading partners. Yeah, the Chinese infrastructure is expensive, but once it's finished and put to use, that expense will be quickly paid off. Africa is obscenely fertile and resource rich, the conditions are ripe to repeat the Chinese Miracle. I've met many African immigrants, they've all been enthusiastic and eager to work, and universally they've agreed with me that the best charity for their home countries are tractors and paved roads. It's lamentable that these people, who could no doubt have been driving forces behind industrialisation in their home countries, instead move to Europe and Asia to work menial jobs.

Plenty of Westerners do or did understand this. The human capital in Africa is remarkably poor quality, so there's only so much you can do. The Portuguese, English, and French all understood this to one degree or another. The problem is, Europe decided to bomb itself into abject poverty in the early part of the 20th century, turning America into a superpower, and we projected our historical experience of colonialism and segregation onto Africa, completely misinterpreted the situation as Mean Europeans Being Pointlessly Mean To Helpless Blacks, and demanded that Europe take what they had built and hand total control of it over to savages and cannibals who, of course, ripped it all to shreds.

We can't go back now. All the things needed to make a region predominantly inhabited by negroes relatively safe and economically functional have been deemed racist by our priest class, so we can't do them or tolerate anyone else doing them. It's why our own black cities are horrible, dysfunctional hellscapes that aren't much different from African cities.

 

[Mukhrani]

Western charity is designed to make people feel good about themselves, while the Chinese charity is designed to uplift countries into viable trading partners. Yeah, the Chinese infrastructure is expensive, but once it's finished and put to use, that expense will be quickly paid off. Africa is obscenely fertile and resource rich, the conditions are ripe to repeat the Chinese Miracle. I've met many African immigrants, they've all been enthusiastic and eager to work, and universally they've agreed with me that the best charity for their home countries are tractors and paved roads. It's lamentable that these people, who could no doubt have been driving forces behind industrialisation in their home countries, instead move to Europe and Asia to work menial jobs.

Dambisa Moyo wrote a book about this awhile ago, 'Dead Aid'. Watching her do promo for the book was hilarious because all the people on the interview shows absolutely lose their shit, since aid is such a huge sacred cow in the West - I think Bill Gates called her 'evil'. One of her most incisive criticisms is that it makes African leaders completely unaccountable to the people of Africa, as securing foreign aid channels becomes more important to them than actually competently governing their people. She also wrote a good book on China's resource race and the problems that it could cause for the West, as well as one on problems with Western political leadership which was very prescient.

The end of this one is great:

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

They're totes ready to talk of the counter offensive success but then they go "OF COURSE WE'LL STILL LIBERATE CRIMEA *laughs nervously*

Give me a fucking break. You don't make that concession or even voice it if you are winning. And that's a senior diplomat.

I can't make head or tail of Ukrainean decision making process, they are changing the goalposts every week seemingly on a whim.

 

[Stasi]

China is infinitely better in Africa than America. Even Russia is.

From my limited understanding (basically reading some Russian news about ongoing projects) a number of places in Africa prefer Russian assistance over China. Apparently because the Chinese like to employ all their own people on the infrastructure projects whereas Russians tend to bring people over to train locals to do the work, management etc. and have as many local employees on a project as possible after they are sufficiently trained and competent.

 

[Rubick]

From my limited understanding (basically reading some Russian news about ongoing projects) a number of places in Africa prefer Russian assistance over China. Apparently because the Chinese like to employ all their own people on the infrastructure projects whereas Russians tend to bring people over to train locals to do the work, management etc. and have as many local employees on a project as possible after they are sufficiently trained and competent.

The Russians have also good credit in Africa from the Soviet days. On top of that a lot of debt some African nations owed to Russia from the Soviet days. Was written, reduced or given more time to pay off. Russians also have no problem if a country pays for certain stuff with fucking bananas, coconut oil, bamboo, etc.

 

[MrJokerRager]

How the hell do our "brilliant" leaders keep fucking falling for these two? Do they not have people to check in with anyone who wants to contact them, or do they just pick up the line and take their word for it?

Western politicians must be a phone scammer's dream.

Most Western politicians let their staffers or donor handlers do the actual work. How else are 1000 page bills get passed with hours, without none of them reading what is in it.

 

[Male Idiot]

The Russians have also good credit in Africa from the Soviet days. On top of that a lot of debt some African nations owed to Russia from the Soviet days. Was written, reduced or given more time to pay off. Russians also have no problem if a country pays for certain stuff with fucking bananas, coconut oil, bamboo, etc.

And the good worker got banan a few times a year. It isn't a horrible system.

Negro gets tractor, slavic worker gets banan. Jew butthurt.

 

[The Ugly One]

From my limited understanding (basically reading some Russian news about ongoing projects) a number of places in Africa prefer Russian assistance over China. Apparently because the Chinese like to employ all their own people on the infrastructure projects whereas Russians tend to bring people over to train locals to do the work, management etc. and have as many local employees on a project as possible after they are sufficiently trained and competent.

The Chinese also don't give a rat's ass about how badly they poison a river. The Russians aren't great on the environmental front, but they aren't Chinese locusts, either.

 

[Stoneheart]

The Chinese also don't give a rat's ass about how badly they poison a river. The Russians aren't great on the environmental front, but they aren't Chinese locusts, either.

Russians understand that its bad to poison a river, the People in charge are just corrupt and the worker lazy drunks, so nothing gets done clean.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

On the other hand if you provide paved roads, railroads, and harbours

Well, look at what was once the Belgian Congo; Belgium invested and built all that, but none of it was maintained. Then again, the US did the Congo dirty (CIA murder of Lumumba, propping up Mobutu). The Chinese have wisely refrained from being enmeshed in local politics so maybe this approach will have better results.

I expect the American Empire goes down in history as being much worse then Nazi Germany.

Probably; I find it ironic that a people that fled Nazi Germany's persecution decided to become what Hitler sperged about, but in America. What's even more ironic is former Nazis in the US/Europe actively assisted and enabled them.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Well, look at what was once the Belgian Congo; Belgium invested and built all that, but none of it was maintained. Then again, the US did the Congo dirty (CIA murder of Lumumba, propping up Mobutu). The Chinese have wisely refrained from being enmeshed in local politics so maybe this approach will have better results.

Probably; I find it ironic that a people that fled Nazi Germany's persecution decided to become what Hitler sperged about, but in America. What's even more ironic is former Nazis in the US/Europe actively assisted and enabled them.

This comic was drawn by a Danish cartoonist in 1962.

 

[Zman]

Probably; I find it ironic that a people that fled Nazi Germany's persecution decided to become what Hitler sperged about, but in America. What's even more ironic is former Nazis in the US/Europe actively assisted and enabled them.

As a pro-Russian the constant talk from our side about NATO/Globohomo being the reincarnation of Nazi Germany's political agenda comes off as pretty insane to me. You cannot convince me that Hitler would be on the side of those who advocate for the spread of anal sex, trannies and anti-white hatred across the globe which a key element the NATO/Globohomo cultural agenda. This is also why pro-Ukranian nazis come off as the definition of useful idiots since they are advocating for exactly that cause to "own" the ruskis. I am just not a fan of the whole calling people who are on the other side of issues Nazis because it often originates from ridiculous comparisons and convinces absolutely nobody to join your side.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

As a pro-Russian the constant talk from our side about NATO/Globohomo being the reincarnation of Nazi Germany's political agenda comes off as pretty insane to me. You cannot convince me that Hitler would be on the side of those who advocate for the spread of anal sex, trannies and anti-white hatred across the globe which a key element the NATO/Globohomo cultural agenda. This is also why pro-Ukranian nazis come off as the definition of useful idiots since they are advocating for exactly that cause to "own" the ruskis. I am just not a fan of the whole calling people who are on the other side of issues Nazis because it often originates from ridiculous comparisons and convinces absolutely nobody to join your side.

If it salutes like a Nazi, praises a Nazi collaborator and wears a Nazi insignia, I call it a Nazi.

 

[Zman]

If it salutes like a Nazi, praises a Nazi collaborator and wears a Nazi insignia, I call it a Nazi.

The Azov Battalion are just a bunch of useful idiot edgefags with room temperature IQs that aren't representative of the NATO alliance's beliefs but are just being used by NATO to hurt Russia since their fanaticism is useful. Ukraine's president is literally a jew and now gay marriage is being pushed in Ukraine.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Russian pranksters once again pretend to be Ukrainian officials. Causing the former President of France to admit the Minsk agreement was an entire farce, and they were just biding for time to build up Ukraines military strength.

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I don't know what you people have against finding and linking the source of the videos:

https://rutube.ru/video/dda5c8b7da111f6c2f69c0bdb09e7f77/

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[Badungus Kabungus]

This comic was drawn by a Danish cartoonist in 1962.

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Yep, that's Herluf Bidstrup. I got all four books.

Edit: My fuck, is this what the Germans have been reduced to now? Watch another movie!

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The Azov Battalion are just a bunch of useful idiot edgefags with room temperature IQs that aren't representative of the NATO alliance's beliefs but are just being used by NATO to hurt Russia since their fanaticism is useful. Ukraine's president is literally a jew and now gay marriage is being pushed in Ukraine.

Well, the problem is these Ukrainian Nazis are the plausibly deniable shock troops of NATO, which really means the US, as the USA is all about love, Democracy™, LGBT2QQ and hates Nazis, like Donald Drumpf.

And they've been armed. Defy the US on anal buttsex for men, children's mutilated bodies and HRT for toddlers then one day you will wake up to your own nationalists doing a version of the Maidan, brandishing Javelins that conveniently fell off the back of a truck on the way to Kiev.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

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The UN is blocking the broadcasts of Russian Security Council events to prevent Russia from "spreading disinformation".

The British mission blocked the broadcast of the UN Security Council meeting, which will be held by Russia today, April 5. The informal meeting is dedicated to "the issue of children evacuated from Ukraine". Russian Presidential Commissioner for Children's Rights Maria Lvova-Belova, whose arrest warrant was issued by the International Criminal Court in The Hague (ICC), will speak at the event.

Representatives of the United Kingdom blocked the broadcast of the meeting on the UNTV website (this is the UN's public relations television division, where all the organization's events are broadcast). British diplomats explained that they want to prevent Ms Lvova-Belova from "spreading disinformation". "It should not be given a UN platform to spread disinformation. If Maria Lvova-Belova wants to report on her actions, she can do so in The Hague, " the British mission to the UN said in a statement posted on Twitter.

First Deputy Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN Dmitry Polyansky said that Russian diplomats "will find a way to broadcast". He threatened that as a retaliatory step, Russia would henceforth block UN webcasts of "all such meetings, citing the UK's 'censorship regulation'.