Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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The swedish sectury police (SÄPO) have put out a statement about Nordstream bombing.

snippet from the statment from SÄPO in english

Still unclear who performed sabotage at Nord Stream​

Published April 6, 2023


Work to try to clarify the circumstances surrounding the sabotage at Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines continues. The Security Police notes that it is a complex and comprehensive preliminary investigation.

It has been established in the past that there have been detonations on the ground and that it is a gross sabotage. Analyzes from seizures made during the crime scene investigations on the seabed in the Baltic Sea have shown residues of explosives on several of the foreign objects that have been disposed of and investigated. All fittings and all material are carefully examined and analyzed.

https://www.sakerhetspolisen.se/ovr...-vem-som-utfort-sabotage-vid-nord-stream.html (Soruce in Swedish)

https://archive.ph/wip/cbnkD

and here is an news article from AP.
snippet:

HELSINKI (AP) — Swedish prosecutors said Thursday a state actor was the most likely culprit for the explosions that incapacitated the Nord Stream gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea last year, an act deemed as sabotage. However, they cautioned that the identity of the perpetrator was still unclear and hinted that it was likely to remain so.

Public prosecutor Mats Ljungqvist from the Swedish Prosecution Authority said in a statement that his office’s investigation is focused on examining if Swedish interests or Swedish security were threatened by the act.

The Swedish authorities are also keen to find out whether the explosions were prepared on their territory. “Our hope is to be able to confirm who has committed this crime” but “it should be noted that it likely will be difficult given the circumstances,” Ljungqvist said.

https://apnews.com/article/sweden-denmark-nord-stream-gas-pipeline-explosions-ea40f35b8d96dd201a8fa75fe1db953d

https://archive.ph/UXqlC

 

[siegemeister675]

The swedish sectury police (SÄPO) have put out a statement about Nordstream bombing.

My money is still on Ukraine or the US or both working together TBQF.

New Binkov video. Binkov believes Russia is running low on tanks:

I remember at the beginning of the war on Twitter I pointed out to RWA (Russians with Attitude, be sure to check out their doppelgangers Russians With Platitudes, also on Twitter) that the amount of tanks being straight up abandoned by the Russians was incredible and disturbing for their side (and this was on the pic of an abondoned brand new T-90 with all the bells and whistles). RWA responded that it's no biggie because Russia has so many. Still possibly the dumbest thing I have heard in this war, the Russian people paid tens of millions of dollars for that tank and it's no big deal to hand it over to the country you're fighting, intact. What a bunch of fucking retards.

 

[No bullying allowed]

My money is still on Ukraine or the US or both working together TBQF.

Nobody knows who did it and I frankly do not care, those pipelines were abominations. What speaks against it being the US is that one pipeline was left intact, seems half-assed, unless someone had a motive to leave one pipeline intact.

 

[BaldAndMorallyBankrupt]

We have visual evidence of more than 8 Russian Aircraft shotdown as well as photos and videos of more than 600 Russian ground vehicles destroyed, with more than 600 unique post USSR Russian vechiles captured and put into Ukr Military service alone. To claim the DoD is unaware of this and would generate publications that far off is total bullshit.

Do you have brain damage?
Serious, do you have it or what!?
as Mg-34 said, we have visual proof that Russia has lost way more stuff then it is claimed in this photoshoped shit.
Is this what Russia supporters have been reduced to? Blindly beliving everything that is put up on /chug/ and other shit!?

Selective reading at it's finest. I said both images appear tampered with, just that the pro-russian image has fewer signs of tampering. I wouldn't be surprised if this was made up all together then randos picked it up and edited it as they pleased.

As for the photo/video evidence you bring up.

>this is actually multiple pictures of the same vehicle, not pictures of multiple destroyed vehicles!
>this is actually an old picture from syria/georgia/chechenya/donbas and not from the special military operation!
>this picture is actually an intact vehicle that is falsely claimed to be destroyed!

These are all valid criticisms of the "evidence" that you yourselves brought up when people were posting pictures of damaged Abrams and Leopards. It's been well known since ww2 that the only way to get accurate numbers of destroyed vehicles is to actually go on the field, put them in a big pile and count them. Both photo and eye witnesses are too prone to double counts due to different angles, aborted recoveries, repositioning, misidentification, re-engaging the same vehicle multiple times without realising it, etc etc. Not to mention we don't know the recovery numbers, so we can't even make an educated guess on how many of the "destroyed" tanks actually stay destroyed. Is 600 destroyed (not captured) tanks possible? Not likely, but it is possible.

We could have still had the nice unified thread but because of spergs like you people they had to be split up.

 

[namai337]

Ok retarded take the "top secret NATO leak" was intentional since the ground is still kinda muddy and ways off till harding it up ukies figured it out, "hey let gauge russian response time" and decided to throw out some half truths and false info to see if russians bite and reposition their forces and how long it whould take to reinforce some flanks and so on and from where they are pulling forces. Ofc it's a doube edged sword due they might have to fight those defences when the counterattack happens but still there is a chance that ruskies will be dumb and just call a nothing burger screach that it was a twiter offense and pull back. Still its a good psyop that we saw something like that before the Kharkiv offensive

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

See, I think Jordan Peterson is actually smart enough to figure out what's going on. The question then as follows: Is he being willfully ignorant or a goddamn sellout? And if it's the latter, was it The Daily Wire that pimped him out?
I thought books were selling well enough. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

It's the typical song and dance in the genre of "Russia did things? I see... but look, the West...!"

I'm astonished by the fact that Peterson of all people is carrying water for the regime that succeeded Stalin, it's mind-boggling.

 

[Clownish]

How do they organize and fund all this? Weren't they originally a bunch of football hooligans that turned into a battalion?

I understand they're getting money from various donors, but I can't believe they funded schools and summer camps and literature awards for a nationalist militia.

Azov has two schools:
Yevhen Konovalets Military School for training sergeants that is ran by a former commander of the Georgian special forces.

The school's instructors are officers of the Georgian army, most of whom received their officer education in the United States under the Green Beret program. The training is conducted according to NATO standards with enhanced physical and psychological training. Georgian, American, and Estonian experience is also used. The cadets receive training in tactics, topography, psychological training and media relations

Mykola Stsiborskyi School for training non-commissioned officers and ideologists.

The training should last 33 days. During the school day, students can attend 5 lecture or seminar pairs, in addition to physical education (hand-to-hand and knife fighting) and firearms training. Applied disciplines (military psychology, military pedagogy, rhetoric), ideological and purely military subjects are also taught.

Upon completion of the course, graduates receive a diploma, and their units receive banners, insignia, and special badges. Thus, each unit will have its own battle flag and a person who will be responsible for it

Azov gets funding from the government to run the Summer camps and they also get money from members of the National Corps Party.

However, the true reason they have so much property is because they stole it from Former President Viktor Yanukovych...
Right Sector took over his billion dollar mansion and Azov took over his summer compound in the south. This is how Azov gained so much property, they just take over a property owned by an enemy of the state and the Government looks the other way. No one is suicidal enough to try evicting them it seems.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

However, the true reason they have so much property is because they stole it from Former President Viktor Yanukovych...
Right Sector took over his billion dollar mansion and Azov took over his summer compound in the south. This is how Azov gained so much property, they just take over a property owned by an enemy of the state and the Government looks the other way. No one is suicidal enough to try evicting them it seems.

I was wondering what happened to that place. It made for a nice day out in Spring, although I was under in the impression that it reverted to ownership of the state, not of Right Sektor, which if true is fucking shocking. Got a source on that?

 

[Clownish]

I was wondering what happened to that place. It made for a nice day out in Spring, although I was under in the impression that it reverted to ownership of the state, not of Right Sektor, which if true is fucking shocking. Got a source on that?

The state owns it, but its being maintained by Right Sector as a museum. You can see the Red and Black Flag flying on top of the mansion in the video. If I recall correctly last year the government agreed to pay for the maintenance of the property.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

The state owns it, but its being maintained by Right Sector as a museum. You can see the Red and Black Flag flying on top of the mansion in the video. If I recall correctly last year the government agreed to pay for the maintenance of the property.

So Right Sektor are profiting from it or the funds go to the state? I mean when I was there, the whole blah blah was 'this belongs to the people now', not a bunch of thugs.

 

[siegemeister675]

 

[GatorAids]

See, I think Jordan Peterson is actually smart enough to figure out what's going on. The question then as follows: Is he being willfully ignorant or a goddamn sellout? And if it's the latter, was it The Daily Wire that pimped him out?
I thought books were selling well enough. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

It's the typical song and dance in the genre of "Russia did things? I see... but look, the West...!"

I'm astonished by the fact that Peterson of all people is carrying water for the regime that succeeded Stalin, it's mind-boggling.

Peterson has a broken brain from benzos. I honestly don't know why people care about what he says about politics, he's a fucking psychologist. It's as retarded as people acting like Noam Chomsky is an expert on politics when he's a fuckin linguist. I wouldn't trust either to tell me the color of the sky given their professions are based on fucking with peoples brains and languages.

 

[Clownish]

So Right Sektor are profiting from it or the funds go to the state? I mean when I was there, the whole blah blah was 'this belongs to the people now', not a bunch of thugs.

The government was not paying to maintain the property so they were getting donations, and giving booked tours to pay for the upkeep. The say in the video that they asked the government for years to pay for it, but the government said no.

 

[Coffee Mugshot]

Lots more info on the leaks now. Turns out it was originally leaked in some obscure discord server as early as March 2 and then made its way to some youtuber's discord and then on to some minecraft discord server. Some kid named Lucca is being anally probed at a black site somewhere about now. Original source of the leak is still not known. Probably has no impact on any upcoming offensive, but someone probably leaked actual top secret shit on a discord server for dick tugs. Story is laid out a bit more in the following twitter threads, expect news articles soon.

Aric Toler twitter thread part 1
Archive of part 1

Aric Toler twitter thread part 2 because of a deleted tweet breaking the flow
Archive of part 2

Relevant sub-thread 1 showing leaks
Archive of sub-thread 1

Relevant sub-thread 2 showing leaks
Archive of sub-thread 2

Various pics from the threads showing discord screencaps:

Spoiler

 

[siegemeister675]

Lots more info on the leaks now. Turns out it was originally leaked in some obscure discord server as early as March 2 and then made its way to some youtuber's discord and then on to some minecraft discord server. Some kid named Lucca is being anally probed at a black site somewhere about now. Original source of the leak is still not known. Probably has no impact on any upcoming offensive, but someone probably leaked actual top secret shit on a discord server for dick tugs. Story is laid out a bit more in the following twitter threads, expect news articles soon.

Aric Toler twitter thread part 1
Archive of part 1

Aric Toler twitter thread part 2 because of a deleted tweet breaking the flow
Archive of part 2

Relevant sub-thread 1 showing leaks
Archive of sub-thread 1

Relevant sub-thread 2 showing leaks
Archive of sub-thread 2

Various pics from the threads showing discord screencaps:

Spoiler

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Any explanation for why it spelled Wagner "Vagner?"

 

[Coffee Mugshot]

Any explanation for why it spelled Wagner "Vagner?"

No, but someone in /r/NonCredibleDefense noted that the DoD has referred to them as 'Vagner' in 2020:

Archive

 

[siegemeister675]

No, but someone in /r/NonCredibleDefense noted that the DoD has referred to them as 'Vagner' in 2020:

Archive

Hmmm as dumb as it is maybe it's translator/analyst who speaks Russian but knows fuckall about history and had no idea whom the name references, or just doesn't understand why it would be spelled the way it is in German.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Hmmm as dumb as it is maybe it's translator/analyst who speaks Russian but knows fuckall about history and had no idea whom the name references, or just doesn't understand why it would be spelled the way it is in German.

My money is on some guy who was pissed of at it being pronounced Wag-Ner by colonials, so they made it easy for them.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

I think that's an alternative transliteration that's more phonetic. Wagner is the more accurate translation in terms of context.

Otherwise you might read it as Wag-ner if you speak English.

 

[Clownish]

Youtuber paid for satellite images of Russia's Tank storage.