Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[gang weeder]

don't need a source for common sense, friendo.

How is it "common sense" that COVID-19 pneumonia costs exactly 2.6x more money to treat than pneumonia induced by other causes? The average person has no fucking clue what it costs to treat pneumonia in general, of any kind. Worst cope of all time maybe? It's hilarious how arrogant you are that you can't simply admit you made this up out of thin air, even when you've been called out and it's completely undeniable. This is the same as the 6 foot apart rule, it's not based on anything, it was made up on a whim. Sourcefag harder lmfao

 

[Snappy Turtle]

@Lurker that's a better source but it defeats your earlier argument that covid-19 patients cost more because they require more meds and treatments.

 

[Yaks]

with HHH you have to realize nearly everything he accuses you of, he is guilty of himself. Boomer? His entire frame of reference reeks of middle age. Theocrat? He's religiously devoted to scientism. Fascist? He believes scientism's edicts must be foisted upon the public. Sock account? @secret watcher . The list goes on

Believe it or not, @secret watcher isn't HHH's sock account.

You're funny. <3

 

[namvata]

Believe it or not, @secret watcher isn't HHH's sock account.

You're funny. <3

he is though, common sense says so

 

[Lurker]

oh well if we're going with the "common sense" copout then by all means nobody should trust a vax where the manufacturers have no legal liability for any injury caused by it's effects.

have you ever tried looking up why that is? it's very interesting stuff.

How is it "common sense" that COVID-19 pneumonia costs exactly 2.6x more money to treat than pneumonia induced by other causes? The average person has no fucking clue what it costs to treat pneumonia in general, of any kind. Worst cope of all time maybe? It's hilarious how arrogant you are that you can't simply admit you made this up out of thin air, even when you've been called out and it's completely undeniable. This is the same as the 6 foot apart rule, it's not based on anything, it was made up on a whim. Sourcefag harder lmfao

only an autistic person would look at that number and take it literally. generally most people would see that as an average, not the literal exact number. actually you can look up how much it costs to treat pneumonia vs covid pneumonia. interestingly, a link posted by @Snappy Turtle mentions it: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ore-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

"The dollar amounts Jensen cited are roughly what we found in an analysis published April 7 by the Kaiser Family Foundation, a leading source of health information."

Ask FactCheck weighed in April 21: "The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses."

so make of that what you will.

edit:

@Lurker that's a better source but it defeats your earlier argument that covid-19 patients cost more because they require more meds and treatments.

this is where the common sense comes in. if there's no common treatment for it, they throw shit at a wall to see if it sticks. more meds, more treatments. at least in the more severe cases.

 

[Snappy Turtle]

so make of that what you will.

That isn't how much it costs, that's how much they get reimbursed.

edit:

this is where the common sense comes in. if there's no common treatment for it, they throw shit at a wall to see if it sticks. more meds, more treatments. at least in the more severe cases.

Now you're just making stuff up, and the 2.6x figure isn't for more severe cases, it's for all cases. The more severe cases get put on a ventilator and the hospital gets reimbursed 8x.

 

[Lurker]

That isn't how much it costs, that's how much they get reimbursed.

well, be my guest if you want to find how much it fully costs. we can get a pretty good idea of the cost from reimbursements, though.

edit: we already established that it doesn't apply to all cases: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/are-you-getting-the-vaccine.84995/page-605#post-16006432

 

[Snappy Turtle]

well, be my guest if you want to find how much it fully costs. we can get a pretty good idea of the cost from reimbursements, though.

>why do hospitals get 2.6x more money for covid patients?
>because covid costs more to treat
>how do you know?
>because hospitals are getting 2.6x more money to treat them

 

[Lurker]

>why do hospitals get 2.6x more money for covid patients?
>because covid costs more to treat
>how do you know?
>because hospitals are getting 2.6x more money to treat them

idk, man, it's not my fault you're incapable of common sense.

edit: i mean, your argument more-or-less boils down to "i don't understand how there's a difference between covid pneumonia and normal pneumonia, nor do i understand that the treatment for covid pneumonia costs more than treatment for normal pneumonia based on various different factors. it upsets me that i am not explicitly told why hospitals are being reimbursed for patients with medicare or no insurance, and if i don't explicitly know why something is, it must be a scam."

 

[gang weeder]

only an autistic person would look at that number and take it literally. generally most people would see that as an average, not the literal exact number. actually you can look up how much it costs to treat pneumonia vs covid pneumonia. interestingly, a link posted by @Snappy Turtle mentions it: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ore-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

1. What is autistic is sourcefagging over soorces and dollar amounts in long-winded and, well, autistic detail. Like you are doing. The non-autistic perspective is the one I posted originally in which you recognize no one truly gives a flying fuck about the heckin' soorces, all of that is cope, and stances on this are just being set by tribal social/political dynamics. That's why you sit here and try to sourcefag people you disagree with, but when called to defend your own claims, you just make up total bullshit with no soorce or evidence at all, and appear genuinely unable to see the conflict or hypocrisy there. Because your tribalism is so strong that you literally can't see through it.

2. 2.6 is the literal exact number given in the article. Lemme do some quick maffs for you. 5000 x 2.6 = 13000. Blew your mind there didn't I? Numbers are hard.

3. You are so fucking stupid you legitimately don't seem to understand the claim being made. The claim made in the article is hospitals get paid X amount more per COVID patient, so they have an incentive to list everything as COVID (this is an actual example of common sense reasoning, btw). Nowhere in the article does it ever say that COVID-19 actually costs 2.6x more to treat than regular pneumonia. There is no study that says this and you haven't posted one because it doesn't exist. Even if there was a stoody prooving that COVID did magically cost 2.6x more for some reason, that doesn't address the concerns about fraudulent over-reporting, because the concern is people will just list regular pneumonia (which in this hypothetical costs way less to treat, somehow) as COVID pneumonia to get the payday.

This is where I have to give HHH some credit because he clearly gives up on even trying after a couple seconds and just goes back to calling everyone boomers. It's so much more painful seeing someone like you try to act smug and smert while coming off as a total retard with zero understanding of anything they are talking about.

 

[Lurker]

@gang weeder just because you're too dumb to understand something doesn't make it fraud or a conspiracy. read the thread, educate yourself. C:

edit: like i can't help you learn to read and actually absorb information. i'm not a special ed teacher.

 

[Snappy Turtle]

idk, man, it's not my fault you're incapable of common sense.

edit: i mean, your argument more-or-less boils down to "i don't understand how there's a difference between covid pneumonia and normal pneumonia, nor do i understand that the treatment for covid pneumonia costs more than treatment for normal pneumonia based on various different factors. it upsets me that i am not explicitly told why hospitals are being reimbursed for patients with medicare or no insurance, and if i don't explicitly know why something is, it must be a scam."

No, once again, my argument boils down to "hospitals had a financial incenctive to report covid-19 cases"

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

I regret getting vaxxed (both shots but no booster because nobody likes Booster!), not because I think it's gonna make me autistic or anything but I'm mad at myself for letting the windbags on TV and radio and the internet browbeat me into getting it.

 

[Lurker]

No, once again, my argument boils down to "hospitals had a financial incenctive to report covid-19 cases"

okay, and we've established there are reasons for that. it doesn't mean that hospitals are falsely reporting covid-19 as a means to get government money, which is where this conversation always goes.

I regret getting vaxxed (both shots but no booster because nobody likes Booster!), not because I think it's gonna make me autistic or anything but I'm mad at myself for letting the windbags on TV and radio and the internet browbeat me into getting it.

sorry, buddy, you're tainted forever.

 

[TIM4EUS]

I regret getting vaxxed (both shots but no booster because nobody likes Booster!), not because I think it's gonna make me autistic or anything but I'm mad at myself for letting the windbags on TV and radio and the internet browbeat me into getting it.

can you briefly walk me through your thought process at the time? im genuinely curious how "normies" perceived all of this (not calling you a normie but you get what I mean)

 

[namvata]

can you briefly walk me through your thought process at the time? im genuinely curious how "normies" perceived all of this (not calling you a normie but you get what I mean)

It's as simple as the peer pressure model: "if I don't get it everyone will think I'm crazy/stupid/dangerous and I will lose social capital"

 

[The Last Stand]

I regret getting vaxxed (both shots but no booster because nobody likes Booster!), not because I think it's gonna make me autistic or anything but I'm mad at myself for letting the windbags on TV and radio and the internet browbeat me into getting it.

Grandma died anyway with or without my vaccination. You don't see me complaining about it.

 

[namvata]

Grandma died anyway with or without my vaccination. You don't see me complaining about it.

Yeah because they shoved a bunch of covid infected groids into their nursing homes to beat the shit out of them and get them sick.

Shout out to witchen gretmer: the butcher of Lansing. Locking the whole state in their homes so she could hold a grad party for her daughter in the UP and ban everyone from boating, buying paint, or buying seeds and fertilizer.

 

[AnOminous]

But you do wear a seat belt because you're afraid of what will happen if you get into an accident; unlike covid, that could actually seriously hurt you

How are you this dumb? How are you this retarded?

Sane people make decisions based on calculations of risks. That is why people who are not mentally retarded choose to wear seat belts. And take flu shots. And for that matter get COVID shots that outside of literal retard sources, actually are efficacious. I know it makes Alex Jones watchers angry, but sorry, outside of tard sources, these vaxes worked.

Your anger doesn't convince me. You may be super pissed off and have really angry soyjak avatars, but that doesn't make you right. You're still just a pissed-off retard.

 

[Heed Not]

Back when the pandemic first started, my response was "Probably, I'll just wait a little bit. See if there's anything wonky with side effects, the same way you wait to buy the 2nd year of a new car generation."
Since then, the only people I've known to catch covid were vaccinated and boosted, efficacy studies showed the vaccines only have anything above 50% efficacy in preventing infection for about 3 months, and there were several corrupted studies, more studies that simply didn't happen after a previous study discovered possibly damning information, and something like the highest risk (even if it's a low risk in absolute terms) of fucking your circulatory system of any vaccine I'm aware of. Besides that, the only people still insisting that it's the smart/responsible thing to do are what I can only consider "biological bagholders" on Twitter and Kiwi Farms.
So no, probably not. I guess I wouldn't rule it out entirely, but if anything I'm less inclined to now than when it first started.