Disaster ‘I Felt Bullied’: Mother of Child Treated at Transgender Center Speaks Out - She was told medical intervention would help relieve her 14-year-old’s psychological distress. That’s not what happened.

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When he was 14 years old, Caroline’s son got a pharmaceutical implant in his arm that was supposed to help relieve his psychological distress. It was a puberty blocker called Supprelin, and it would continuously release a drug for about the next two years that would arrest further sexual development. Caroline, 43, had been queasy about approving this, but she was assured by the psychologist at the The Washington University Transgender Center at St. Louis Children’s Hospital that this was what her son needed—that it was the standard treatment for young patients experiencing discomfort with their sex.

Instead of providing relief, Caroline told The Free Press, her son experienced a devastating decline in his mental and physical health after this intervention. Among the side effects of Supprelin, according to a handout from the Transgender Center, are “mood changes, and weight changes.” The manufacturer’s website also lists “depression, including rare reports of suicidal ideation and attempt.”

Casey (not his real name) soon experienced all of these. Within a semester, Casey went from all As and Bs to a report card dotted with Ds and Fs. Many days he found it impossible to get out of bed. He missed so much school that it triggered an official meeting about his truancy that included a circuit court judge. He gained more than 30 pounds.

Most alarmingly, during one therapy session about seven months after he started the blocker, he told the center’s psychologist that he was having suicidal thoughts. She recommended he be immediately checked into the psychiatric ward at Children’s Hospital. When he came out, he was taking several drugs for depression and anxiety.

Caroline felt desperate and helpless, and she’d had enough. In June of 2022, she wrote an email to the clinic demanding immediate removal of the puberty blocker. The doctors in charge disagreed.

The Supprelin is still in Casey’s arm.

The Whistleblower

For many months, Caroline (we are withholding her last name for family privacy) has been deeply frustrated that her child was put on a powerful pharmaceutical and what happened to him subsequently. “I felt bullied,” she said of her interactions with the Transgender Center.

Then, on February 9, The Free Press published a story by Jamie Reed, a case manager at the center, about her four years working there. She gave a shocking account of the treatments young people with gender dysphoria received—treatments she described as “morally and medically appalling.”

The reaction was explosive. Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey, who had given Reed whistleblower protection in advance of going public, announced an investigation of the center. So did Republican senator Josh Hawley. Bailey called for an immediate moratorium on hormonal interventions on new patients, which Washington University rejected. The school released a statement saying, in part: “We are alarmed by the allegations reported in the article published by The Free Press describing practices and behaviors the author says she witnessed while employed at the university’s Transgender Center.”

Caroline read the story when her sister, a nurse, sent it to her. “My sister was bewildered by what was going on at the center and told me it was wrong,” Caroline said. Reed’s article described a process in which doctors pushed young people through a gender-affirming pipeline, quickly prescribing pharmaceutical interventions. There was little consideration of alternatives, or examination of the underlying mental health and social causes that might lead a young person to feel gender dysphoria.

“When I read it, I’m like—this is what happened to me!” Caroline said. “I felt validated. I felt: I knew it, I knew it.”

Following Reed’s story, and the announcements by Bailey and Hawley, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch wrote several stories critical of Reed. One quoted some parents who said that they were happy with the care their children received at the clinic, and that they were “baffled” by Reed’s descriptions.

Among the things the article failed to note is that several of the parents quoted are public advocates of youth transition. Journalist Jesse Singal reported on what was left out of the story, including the revelation that one mother who praised the center in the newspaper is a founder of a youth transition support organization. Not only is that organization linked on the center’s website, but this mother lobbied to get the center established.

Caroline has never spoken publicly about her son or her family’s ordeal. But when she read the Post-Dispatch article about the satisfied parents, she felt she had to speak out about how her experiences matched what Reed described. She eventually contacted Vernadette Broyles, a lawyer who represents Reed. A federal law known as HIPAA provides privacy protection regarding the release of certain patient information by health care providers. Caroline has given The Free Press permission to write about her child’s treatment and to have Reed discuss it.

Reed vividly remembers the case of Caroline’s son. It so disturbed her that she says “it was part of my decision to leave the center, and then to blow the whistle.”

Shifting Identities

I recently spoke to Casey via Google Meet with Caroline sitting in. Casey is charming, intelligent, and thoughtful. He enjoys the arts, participating in a range of musical extracurriculars. Due to the puberty blocker, he seems younger than his 16 years, with a hairless face and the voice of a young teen boy.

Casey expressed no discomfort with his sex as a child, but when he turned 13, he said, he discovered through friends and online that “transgenderism was a thing.” He started researching this and felt, “Holy crap! You can do that?” Soon he declared he was “gender fluid.” Casey explains, “This means that my gender changed based on the day. Then it got to the point where I was never feeling masculine or like a boy.” After about six months of being gender fluid, Casey says, “I decided that I was a fully transgender girl. Like I wanted to present as a girl and I wanted people to see me as a girl. So, I started to socially transition. I was going by a different name and using she/her pronouns.”

That lasted for a few more months until, he says, “I started to lean more kind of in-between. I didn't identify as a girl as much. But I did not see myself as a boy, so I identified as non-binary, which is what I am today.” He explains being non-binary means he is neither sex, and to go along with this he changed his name again—to something as gender neutral as “Casey”—and began using they/them pronouns. (Because Caroline calls Casey her son, and for the sake of clarity, we are using male references for Casey.)

His mother was low-key about these shifting identities, and told him he didn’t need to label himself as anything at this point in life. Caroline says she encouraged Casey to “just be who he is, without having to put a name on it.”

Although he declared himself to be neither sex, puberty was declaring otherwise. His father thought counseling would help, and he wanted Casey to see someone in tune with LGBTQ issues, and eventually discovered the Transgender Center. By then Casey had already done research on something he heard about from a friend: puberty blockers. Casey arrived at the center with the agenda of stopping his puberty from progressing.

Caroline assumed counseling at the center would help Casey sort things out. But in retrospect, she says, what the psychologist at the center did was solidify the idea that Casey needed medical intervention for his gender distress. (Washington University did not respond to requests for comment.)

Banking Sperm

A family meeting arranged by the center occurred on July 14, 2021. Casey, then 14, and his parents met with the clinic’s psychologist. Her recommendation was that Casey get the Supprelin implant. But Caroline was confused about why her son needed to halt his normal development at all.

“He was trying to find an identity, cycling through a few of them at a pretty fast rate,” she says. “Why rush him into a medical intervention instead of seeing if he’s going to continue with these changes?”

The parents were given a two-page handout describing the possible side effects of the treatment. These included long-term effects on bone density; body aches and sleep disturbance; abnormal heartbeats and seizures; mood and weight changes. There were two sentences about fertility: “Blocking pubertal hormones and transitioning on to gender-affirming hormones may have long-term effects on fertility. If a patient is interested in fertility preservation, a meeting with a fertility doctor should ideally be done prior to hormone blockers and/or gender-affirming hormone therapy.” (Emphasis in the original.)

The psychologist then addressed the family to make sure they understood that Casey might end up infertile. When Caroline expressed concern about this, Casey reassured her that he didn’t want children. She asked what if he changed his mind later. “I’ll adopt,” he replied.

Caroline was becoming more disturbed by how the therapist seemed to gloss over the enormous implications of the decision in front of them. “She said that if future fertility was a concern, we could look into banking his sperm before the blocker went in,” Caroline said. She recalls wondering how she found herself in a conversation about banking the sperm of her 14-year-old. “It was weird, and I didn’t like where this was going. It was just so overwhelming.”

Reed says what Caroline describes is not appropriate care. For one thing, she says, “No parent should feel pressured. That is not true informed consent.” For another, she says, when children are faced with the prospect of sterilization and say they’ll adopt, that should be a red flag. “This says someone is still thinking about becoming a parent, and that means you have to stop and say we need to get real counseling about reproduction.”

Caroline had hoped that at least part of the meeting would be among the adults, so they could talk more freely. But she said she had to share her doubts about the treatment in front of her son. She was aware that kids diagnosed as transgender, after having their puberty blocked, generally go on to transition medically. This means getting hormones of the sex they wish to be, and possibly surgery. But as she told the group, “I’m not going to approve him getting a feminizing hormone, and the blocker only lasts about a year and a half, so then he will have to go through puberty anyway. Why would we do this?”

Caroline says the answer from the therapist was, “Well, it’s what Casey wants, and we want Casey to feel comfortable.” Caroline says it felt as if Casey was leading the meeting.

Casey’s father was ready to approve the blocker, but because they had joint custody, and Caroline refused to consent, her veto stood.

But two months later she got a phone call from a nurse at the center who wanted to reopen the discussion. Caroline says, “Casey was about to turn 15, and I didn’t know what to do. He had been struggling with depression and anxiety, and they were saying the reason why is because he feels like he’s not in the right body. And I thought, if this is going to make him happy, let’s just give it a try. The worst it would be doing is stopping his hormones and it can be taken out and puberty will take place like it was supposed to.”

Caroline sent her emailed consent. “I thought, let’s see what happens. And what happened was that everything got worse.”

Do You Want a Dead Son or a Live Daughter?

Suicide is an ever-present topic at the Transgender Center. In a video interview with The Free Press, Jamie Reed said clinicians at the center commonly warned parents—in front of their child—that refusing to give consent for gender transition could lead to that child’s suicide. Normalizing, even glorifying suicide by saying it is a common outcome for young people who are not allowed to medically transition, violates all established rules for how to talk safely about a subject known to have a substantial element of social contagion.

Meanwhile, evidence shows that the threat of suicide in these circumstances is exaggerated. This medical journal article by Oxford University sociologist Michael Biggs illustrates how hyperbolic this threat is. Between 2010 and 2020 he found that 0.03 percent of patients at the UK’s Gender Identity Development Service committed suicide. He writes, “The fact that deaths were so rare should provide some reassurance to transgender youth and their families. . . . It is irresponsible to exaggerate the prevalence of suicide. Aside from anything else, this trope might exacerbate the vulnerability of transgender adolescents.”

But Caroline’s discussions with the center’s staff fit Reed’s description of how not to talk about suicide.

Caroline told me that when she expressed resistance to starting Casey on blockers, the psychologist responded by quoting alarming statistics, in front of Casey, on gender dysphoric kids committing suicide if they aren’t allowed to transition. “I was flabbergasted, and I really felt like this is not a meeting for me to get answers to my questions, and for everybody to have equal say,” she said. “This is like I’m the last man standing and now it’s being implied that if I don’t okay this, I don’t care if my kid kills himself.” She said she felt as though “the therapist was planting the idea for him right there.”

A Dramatic Slide

The slide in Casey’s mental health after receiving the blocker was not just evident to his mother. As Reed wrote to her colleagues, “I have been monitoring this chart. . . and I have been following the mental health worsening in [the psychologist’s] visit notes.”

Then, during a counseling session in April 2022, Casey told the psychologist he sometimes thought of suicide, and had a plan for how he would do it, but that he didn’t have an intention to try. Alarmed, the psychologist recommended that Casey be immediately admitted to the psychiatric unit of Children’s Hospital, known as the Behavioral Health Unit. After a few days as a patient, Casey asked to return home (he lives primarily with his father). He made it clear to his parents that his talk about suicide was just that—talk.

Caroline expected that after this event, people at the center would focus on the role the puberty blocker might be playing in Casey’s continued mental health decline. But they weren’t. Reed was stunned by the lack of care. She said, “We initiated a blocker, the child’s mental health is getting worse—the psychologist sees it’s getting worse—and there is no discussion as to whether this intervention is working the way it was supposed to, and does it need to stop.”

On June 9, Caroline had had enough. She decided it was time to get the blocker in her son’s arm removed. She sent this pointed and angry email to the clinic:

“Please be advised that I’m revoking my consent for this course of medical treatment. Grades have dropped, there’s been an in-patient behavioral health visit and now he’s on 5 different medications. Lexipro [sic], Trazadone [sic], Buspar, etc. [Casey] is a shell of his former self riddled with anxiety. Who knows if it’s because the hormone blockers or the other medications. I revoke my consent. I want the hormone blocker removed. Thank you.”

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A few hours later—having heard nothing—she sent a follow-up:

“I also do not want [Casey] to receive anymore counseling at the Transgender Center. He’s not transgender. He’s a 15 year old child. The only further treatment I authorize as JOINT LEGAL GUARDIAN is the removal of the puberty blocker and the subsequent aftercare. Please call me with any questions.”

Reed says that when a mother with joint legal custody demands an end to treatment that is harming her child, that treatment should be stopped right away. But that’s not what happened. Instead, Reed says, the discussion within the clinic was how to keep the blocker in place. In the end, the doctors called for a consultation with a hospital ethicist. It was conducted on Zoom, with Reed attending. She walked away from it thinking, “Our center is an ethical hot mess.” The ethicist seemed to agree. Reed says as the doctors described the case, the ethicist repeatedly responded, “Wait, you’re doing what?”

In response to Caroline’s demand for the removal of the implant, she said someone from the center asked for a copy of her custody agreement and parenting plan. “I definitely felt like I was getting the runaround,” Caroline said. She noted she wasn’t asked for such documents when they sought her permission to have the Supprelin put in her son’s arm.

A few weeks later, a meeting took place at Children’s Hospital with the family, the center’s psychologist and a nurse practitioner to discuss the blocker. Caroline was moving that day and was supposed to be put on speaker phone. But she never got a call. She found out much later from Casey that the center’s position was that in a joint custody arrangement one parent could not unilaterally demand the removal of the blocker. That meant everyone but Caroline was in favor of keeping it in, including Casey’s father.

I asked Casey why he thought his father supported this decision while his mother opposed it. “He was more concerned with what would make me happier,” Casey said. “My mom was more concerned about the future and my dad was more concerned about how I felt.”

In Reed’s story for The Free Press, she described how when parents disagreed about their child’s treatment, the center would make things difficult for the objecting parent, especially in the case of divorce. That was playing out with Caroline. If she was to have any chance of getting the blocker removed, she decided she needed an attorney. She spoke to one briefly, but ultimately concluded it would be too hard and expensive to try to press her case.

The lawyer did have a suggestion: why not take Casey to his regular pediatrician and ask to have her remove the implant? Caroline did. But even though the pediatrician was sympathetic, she said she was not in a position to remove a device placed by another doctor.

When Reed was informed of this, she said, “That just sickens me. I just can’t imagine how powerless you would feel as a parent in that moment. To feel you have to go up against this monolithic medical institution, having no money for an attorney, and feeling bullied to start with.”

What’s Next?

A puberty blocker can’t stay in forever, and Casey’s is scheduled to come out in July—more than a year after Caroline demanded it be removed.

Casey is resigned to the removal and normal puberty re-starting. He says of his mother’s position, “Her concerns are valid.” This includes, he says, “the possibility that the hormone blockers have affected my mental health. Because my mental health has decreased a lot since starting them.”

Casey says he is trying to accept what will come after the blocker is removed. “I do feel I come off a bit childish, because I do look younger,” he says, adding that’s fine with him. He doesn’t want to look like his male classmates, with their facial hair, Adam’s apples, and broadening shoulders. “It is a struggle for me, because there’s a lot of uncertainty with the changes that I’ll have to go through. It's just kind of scary.”

Caroline remains mystified that the Transgender Center, instead of helping her son face his fears about entering adulthood, instead offered him a way out. She recalls her own puberty. “When my period started, I wanted a way to have that not happen again. It was traumatizing,” she said. “If I had had an option to get out of it, I would have. But it’s nature. There’s a reason it happens.”

She says Casey’s concerns are common for kids his age and not an indication of something that needs pharmaceutical intervention. “There’s no precedent for this type of treatment. How do they know this is the right answer? How do they go to this extreme?” she asks.

I spoke to Dr. William Malone, an endocrinologist and a board member of the Society for Evidence-based Gender Medicine about the use of puberty blockers in young people. He says we don’t know enough about their long-term effects. “A child on blockers is halted in physical and likely emotional maturity,” he said. “Within a year or two, their peers will be profoundly different, and they become out of sync. Puberty is not just a physical event, it’s a psychosocial event with your peers. There is brain development that occurs. Blocking puberty likely has important implications for functionality as an adult.”

Of course, none of this shows up on the two-page handout from the center describing the side effects of blockers.

Although Attorney General Andrew Bailey’s investigation into the Transgender Center is not completed, on March 20 he announced that, based on his discoveries so far, he will be promulgating an emergency regulation to stop treatments there that “lack clinical evidence of safety or success” in order to “protect children from being subject to inhumane science experiments.” His proposed new guidelines include requiring extensive and comprehensive mental health care assessment and treatment before any gender intervention can be started, and mandate that all patients be tracked for adverse effects for 15 years.

“These are common sense things all parents should want for their kids,” Reed says of the new standards. “If this care is going to continue, these guardrails have to be in place.”

“I don’t think kids should make lasting decisions when they don’t have the capability to do so,” Caroline says. She adds that if her son ultimately wants to transition, she hopes he waits until he’s about 25, when his brain has matured and when he’s had some life experiences. “If he wants to be a female later on, I don’t have a problem with that. He just should do it when he’s an adult.”

If Casey comes off the blocker this summer and goes through natural puberty, he will be a most unusual pediatric gender clinic patient. Dr. William Malone says, “We know that more than 95 percent of kids on puberty blockers go on to cross-sex hormones.”

Caroline hopes that her family can find the right help to undo the effects and side effects of the center's treatment. She says, “My son needs the antidote to this whole therapy. I feel like he needs a licensed therapist, an endocrinologist, people who can see him through the recovery from this. It’s going to be physical and mental. And then we need family counseling, because this whole thing has torn us apart.”

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Fuck you mom!!!!
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Fuck you terf mom!!!
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Fortunately the boy had the last laugh.
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@Secret Asshole
I maintain that HRT is just plain bad science and a poor treatment for genuine gender dysphoria.
HRT does not prevent suicide. Of course there is no randomized control trials, but I'm absolutely certain that it fares no better than placebo.
 
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HRT does not prevent suicide. Of course there is no randomized control trials, but I'm absolutely certain that it fares no better than placebo.
"Ratio." He uttered in a rasp as he pulled the trigger and joined the 52%.
We are gonna see so many mass suicides from these people in the next 10 years when they realize the magical neverland they were promised was an absolute farce and aging takes its hold. Its bad enough as is for most of them, its only gonna be WORSE in 10 years.
Seriously think were gonna see it hit a 70% ratio for most of these poor kids as insufferable as teenagers are they definitely got fucking fooled hard here.

For my generation it was the college lie which put a bunch of idiots including myself into unnecessary debt.
For them they got tricked into slicing their tits off and cutting their dicks off. That's far worse.
 
Treating women as adults was a catastrophic mistake for western civilization

the more degeneracy we go through the harder it is to argue this

even the way people are aggressive these days are so intrinsically feminine - not outwardly violent but infinitely more destructive (i.e. "cancelling" people's lives, massive uptick of backstabbing people saying one thing and doing another, men viewing it as noble to argue what they know is logical, "filming" people trying to bait them, death by a thousand cuts, etc.) - it just promotes more animosity and anger.
 
Suicide is an ever-present topic at the Transgender Center. In a video interview with The Free Press, Jamie Reed said clinicians at the center commonly warned parents—in front of their child—that refusing to give consent for gender transition could lead to that child’s suicide. Normalizing, even glorifying suicide by saying it is a common outcome for young people who are not allowed to medically transition, violates all established rules for how to talk safely about a subject known to have a substantial element of social contagion.

Meanwhile, evidence shows that the threat of suicide in these circumstances is exaggerated. This medical journal article by Oxford University sociologist Michael Biggs illustrates how hyperbolic this threat is. Between 2010 and 2020 he found that 0.03 percent of patients at the UK’s Gender Identity Development Service committed suicide. He writes, “The fact that deaths were so rare should provide some reassurance to transgender youth and their families. . . . It is irresponsible to exaggerate the prevalence of suicide. Aside from anything else, this trope might exacerbate the vulnerability of transgender adolescents.”

Holy fucking hell.. Activists and the media are one thing, but medical personal are actually pushing suicide angles directly to children and families!?! How is this not a breach of medical ethics on a monstrous scale?! It's well known that talking about suicide risks to people potentially suicidal is the VERY LAST THING you ever do! JFC!

There is literal blood on their hands in all likelihood! Fuck these ghouls! MINECRAFT!
 
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Everyone remember when the sociopath shitlibs were screeching about how puberty blockers are Safe and Effective™ and totally save lives n shiet?

Instead of providing relief, Caroline told The Free Press, her son experienced a devastating decline in his mental and physical health after this intervention.

“mood changes, and weight changes.” The manufacturer’s website also lists “depression, including rare reports of suicidal ideation and attempt.”

Casey (not his real name) soon experienced all of these.

he was having suicidal thoughts.

When he came out, he was taking several drugs for depression and anxiety.
That Means It's Working™

For many months, Caroline (we are withholding her last name for family privacy) has been deeply frustrated that her child was put on a powerful pharmaceutical and what happened to him subsequently. “I felt bullied,” she said of her interactions with the Transgender Center.

Among the things the article failed to note is that several of the parents quoted are public advocates of youth transition. Journalist Jesse Singal reported on what was left out of the story, including the revelation that one mother who praised the center in the newspaper is a founder of a youth transition support organization. Not only is that organization linked on the center’s website, but this mother lobbied to get the center established.
SHOCK: Normalcattle discover shills exist.


All I see when i read this is BAD MOTHER in red blinking 72pt text. This isn't like that case in texas where that satanist cunt got the marxist cunts in the courts to forcibly troon out the guy's kids.

This was a dumb bitch that went full Trust The Science™ despite the alarm bells ringing in her head. Now her kid is a fucking unrecoverable basket case, likely infertile.

While I hate the institutions and various shills pushing this with a white hot type of hate, I am unmoved by these sob stories. In a morbid way, this is incompetents taking themselves out of the gene pool.

edit: forgot to mention the father needs to be ovened in minecraft, but of course, she picked him

Well here's the thing. Lobotomies are following troonism almost beat for beat.

The lobotomy was pioneered in Italy. However, the procedure called for an entire surgical team and a skilled neurologist and took place in an operating room. You had a bunch of very skilled professionals working on it. It also called for detailed prep to make sure they were cutting into the right area. Obviously this was not cheap.

I'd like to see any real evidence of positive lobotomy instances becayse i'm pressing x to doubt. Read about Rosemary Kennedy and tell me it's still a heckin' valid 'procedure'

History proves that you shound never Trust The Science™
 
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Rosemary Kennedy
that's a textbook case of lobotomy abuse by quacks looking to make a quick buck by destroying some girls life
the proper use case for the original procedure isn't random kids who are acting out, it was intended for severely psychotic people who are already so fucked up that their only real alternative is lifelong institutionalisation in an insane asylum

its kind of like HRT - the proper use for HRT is to help people deal with actual hormone problems, for example men who got their balls amputated after testicular cancer, you can give them medical testosterone to spare them the fate of slowly turning into a flabby androgynous enuch.
but nowadays instead it's just thrown at random kids who present with anything that is vaguely classified as gender related distress by hack therapists and quack psychiatrists, and all it does is fuck them up for life. it's a complete disaster, but that doesn't mean hormone replacement therapy by itself is intrinsically bad.
 
Holy fucking hell.. Activists and the media are one thing, but medical personal are actually pushing suicide angles directly to children and families!?! How is this not a breach of medical ethics on a monstrous scale?! It's well known that talking about suicide risks to people potentially suicidal is the VERY LAST THING you ever do! JFC!

There is literal blood on their hands in all likelihood! Fuck these ghouls! MINECRAFT!
Medical ethics aren't really a thing anymore. The hippocratic oath was done away with years ago and I doubt that graduating nurses do the nightingale pledge these days either. On the regular, doctors are a huge dice roll when it comes to how they treat their patients.
 
I'd like to see any real evidence of positive lobotomy instances becayse i'm pressing x to doubt. Read about Rosemary Kennedy and tell me it's still a heckin' valid 'procedure'

History proves that you shound never Trust The Science™
Misuse of a medical procedure does not designate the medical procedure as an invalid operation. History has proven that using shit for not-intended-purposes usually results in bad things happening.
 
@Secret Asshole, also like lobotomies, once the charlatans got involved the profile of the most common patient targeted switched from men with serious psychological disorders to young women.
Yup, this is the sad part. A lot of people used it to make them more 'manageable' when hysteria was a thing because they couldn't be bothered to try to understand women. The dude who invented it went around the country like a fucking traveling circus and preformed ice-pick lobotomies in rapid fire. It was insane. And I'm seeing history repeat with all of these gender clinics and saying to female teens "YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR BODY YOU MUST BE TRANS HERES A PUBERTY BLOCKER AND TESTOSTERONE, BTW YOU'LL PROBABLY NEVER HAVE KIDS". Just pump up those numbers, we need more trans kids (even though the countries who did the Dutch protocol have abandoned and outlawed it completely, ones who have long histories of SRS).

But NOOOO, America knows better because......REASONS. Yeah, that's it. We know better because reasons.
@Secret Asshole
I maintain that HRT is just plain bad science and a poor treatment for genuine gender dysphoria.
I'm not saying its the best. But maybe it is. Who knows? We have absolutely no idea. HRT is typically done for men who have issues or intersex who present as male to spur on puberty so their sexual organs and bodies mature properly. For women, it varies a lot of the time. But all of them come with risks. The thing is, in medicine, you have to weight those risks against harm. And that varies upon the individual. Some trans don't even bother with surgery and feel they want to present themselves 'naturally'. Others take hormones but don't go any further. And yet others get the whole thing. The real problem is, how much distress is a person in? Do the risks of HRT outweigh the chances someone is going to kill themselves? We can no longer weight those risks. If you do, you will get fired, censured and lose your license. Generally I'd say its a bit extreme, but the drugs we use for mental illness can be extreme too. Again, we simply do not know enough to make that determination.

However, SRS and puberty blockers for a psychological illness is absolutely fucking insane and is no way, shape or form valid.

The problem is we're never going to get a chance to do legitimate studies and research. Nobody will let you. There was one study that revealed anti-psychotics relieved gender dysphoria. It was only a small sample, so the researchers wanted to expand it. However, troons started screaming and the study never got made. This was in the early 2000s I believe.

Now troons use it as an example of 'lol they just hated trans it was a small study', ignoring the fact that the larger studies were shut down by complaints that just maybe they had a psychological disorder and gender dysphoria isn't like homosexuality.

We have very few long-term studies on the effects of estrogen on men and testosterone on women. At best we have case studies from diseases. There's no evidence HRT is effective or safe in the long-term, and it likely isn't. Especially testosterone, which is especially dangerous and not something that should be taken by a female unless its a treatment for a disease, because it WILL fuck you up.

But nobody wants to hear any of this. No study now will ever go against the prevailing 'wisdom' of HRT or that troons are real women. There was a study that said the microbiom of a troons open wound was EXACTLY like a cis woman! (Except for all the organisms that are specialized for the vagina. You know, a mucous membrane. Not a fucking wound that is constantly trying to heal). It basically came to the opposite conclusion and just hid the truth deep in the article and reversed the language so it didn't contradict anything. Anything that contradicts their magical unicorn status and retarded beliefs is verboten. I've never seen such a small group get this amount of attention, privilege and funding. The amount of cash flowing into it is fucking insane. And American Capitalism demands cash no matter what.

Typically I wouldn't care about these arrogant, narcissistic pieces of shit if they weren't so fucking insufferable. And the kid thing is just a fucking no go. Absolutely fucking not.
I'd like to see any real evidence of positive lobotomy instances becayse i'm pressing x to doubt. Read about Rosemary Kennedy and tell me it's still a heckin' valid 'procedure'

History proves that you shound never Trust The Science™
No, you're not getting me.

A lobotomy and a 'trans-orbital lobotomy' are not the same things. For one, the lobotomy and the trans-orbital lobotomy do not target the same areas of the brain.

Two, the trans-orbital lobotomy isn't a real thing. It was a term made up by a fucktard who went "OHHH I CAN DO THIS" and then he gave it a medical sounding name. Nowhere, in medical history, had that practice been utilized before. The whole thing is actually snake-oil, its completely made up. It literally did not exist before this guy did it.

Three, an actual lobotomy needs a surgical team and a neurologist to target specific areas of the brain. The so-called ice-pick lobotomy is completely imprecise and is literally scrambling the frontal lobes of your brain.

Four, the lobotomy was practiced around a time when medications for brain disorders and diseases didn't exist. It fell out of favor because medicine came out and was cheaper because hey, you didn't need to pay like 4 people and anesthetize someone for treatment which was insanely expensive. It was regulated to basically an obscure procedure that wasn't really practiced except in exceptional cases. It was never really revived, because a trans-orbital lobotomy is just some asshole shoving an icepick in your brain and moving it around in random directions going "WOOO YOU CURED NOW"
 
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I'd like to see any real evidence of positive lobotomy instances becayse i'm pressing x to doubt. Read about Rosemary Kennedy and tell me it's still a heckin' valid 'procedure'

History proves that you shound never Trust The Science™
Several years ago, this very good book came out about Ms. Kennedy, and I saw an interview with the author on C-SPAN2's "About Books." Someone asked in the Q&A if lobotomies were still done, and to my surprise, she said they were; she said that it was only done when everything else had failed, the patient had to be able to give informed consent, and all treatment had to be given pro bono. The doctor she interviewed said he did them an average of twice a year.


One of the biggest misuses of the lobotomy was, as could be expected, its abuse on people who were LGBTQ+, i.e. "sex perverts."
 
The kid's "response" sound exactly like something that'd be dictated by his father. The style is off for someone his age. Teens just don't write like that.

It was absolutely written by the father. I agree that no teenager writes like that, especially one with profound mental distress.
the more i think about this case the more weird it is.
what on earth is this father up to, why is he pushing so hard to troon out his own son?
when mothers do it it seems to be either an "i always wanted a daughter" situation, or motivated by social media clout ("like and subscribe to support my beautiful trans daughter!")
but with this dad neither of those are the case i think, so why is he doing it? i don't know what to make of it, i don't understand it.
 
the more i think about this case the more weird it is.
what on earth is this father up to, why is he pushing so hard to troon out his own son?
when mothers do it it seems to be either an "i always wanted a daughter" situation, or motivated by social media clout ("like and subscribe to support my beautiful trans daughter!")
but with this dad neither of those are the case i think, so why is he doing it? i don't know what to make of it, i don't understand it.
Do we have a photo/socials of the dad? Could he just be a soyface clout chaser?

Sex pest is always an option, probably the likely option.
 
the more i think about this case the more weird it is.
what on earth is this father up to, why is he pushing so hard to troon out his own son?
when mothers do it it seems to be either an "i always wanted a daughter" situation, or motivated by social media clout ("like and subscribe to support my beautiful trans daughter!")
but with this dad neither of those are the case i think, so why is he doing it? i don't know what to make of it, i don't understand it.
Diddling. Dad wants to keep son in his preferred age range for longer via puberty blockers.

Sex pests can be very persuasive and manipulative, and any smart one nowadays would use TRA nonsense as a smokescreen for their actual intentions, since for doing so they will get hoards of people defending them for diddling their kid and telling him what a loving and supportive parent he is.
 
The mum looks pretty fit. Just saying...
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the more i think about this case the more weird it is.
what on earth is this father up to, why is he pushing so hard to troon out his own son?
when mothers do it it seems to be either an "i always wanted a daughter" situation, or motivated by social media clout ("like and subscribe to support my beautiful trans daughter!")
but with this dad neither of those are the case i think, so why is he doing it? i don't know what to make of it, i don't understand it.
Well let's see what we can work out here.

Caroline is on Facebook too and the only way I can make sense of the pics vs the timeline is that the younger kids in her FB profile are her second family from a second marriage while the troon comes from the doomed first marriage.

This is definitely the same person- same face, pics showing her being a realtor. In case of DFE here are a couple:

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I believe the one with the glasses is the trooned out one on blockers, because he also has a social media profile as "Alex". The URL says "Ari Lane" which may be useful info later.

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This is the ex, Mark Pratt. Daddy dear shows marked signs of being a real piece of work.

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Mark has an older son, Brendan, from his first marriage to one Stacey (now Cowan).

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He and Caroline then had some serious financial issues around the time of their divorce:

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Mark is also on twitter (archive).

Mark Allen Pratt
03/30/1973
sirius2073@sbcglobal.net
1508 Robert Thompson Dr
Festus, MO 63028
 
Several years ago, this very good book came out about Ms. Kennedy, and I saw an interview with the author on C-SPAN2's "About Books." Someone asked in the Q&A if lobotomies were still done, and to my surprise, she said they were; she said that it was only done when everything else had failed, the patient had to be able to give informed consent, and all treatment had to be given pro bono. The doctor she interviewed said he did them an average of twice a year.


One of the biggest misuses of the lobotomy was, as could be expected, its abuse on people who were LGBTQ+, i.e. "sex perverts."
Things like lobotomies and shock therapy started life as brutal, crude procedures that did much more harm than good; today, many years later, those procedures are still around... in highly technical and refined forms. I was friends for a long time with a woman who received shock therapy as a sixteen year old. She was an autist with behavioural problems as a child but when puberty hit it doled out an additional severe case of bipolar disorder. All the drugs and all the therapies couldn't touch it. At one point, she told me, she grabbed a kitchen knife and chased her sisters with it. Basically, she was offered shock therapy or spending the rest of her life on massive quantitives of sedatives and permanently hospitalised. She chose the shock therapy.

She received a massive amount of medical testing before the procedure, which basically identified the specific location within her brain that was malfunctioning. Using computer guidance, electrical waves were sent to that location and effectively fried the problem tissue. Afterwards she still required psychiatric medication, and she was certainly not 'normal', but she was capable of living alone and largely caring for herself.

However, the amount of people who suffered because of the early forms of this treatment was unbelievable. The mother of Rose West, for example, recieved shock therapy to treat 'depression' that was most likely situational rather than organic, because of the horrific abuse she and her children endured from her husband. She was pregnant with her daughter Rose at the time, and there was absolutely no concern that electrocuting the mother could impact the foetus she was carrying.

So much modern medical practice is built on the history of horrendous suffering. There are supposed to be systems that prevent or limit the suffering caused by new practices, but in this case, a couple of billionaire troons have deliberately destroyed this process by pouring money into clinics and lobbying against political objection, and marshalling the support of unhinged do gooders and sexual deviants.

I sincerely hope that history eventually remembers 'Jennifer' Pritzker for the monster that he is.
 
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