Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

CuzinEd said:
You can have a tank but it has to be operational. Meaning it can actually be used. You can count tanks all day long but that won't tell you much other than the number of tanks. A lot of information is left out.
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Did you watch the video all the way through? He covers that and goes over his methodology. He was not just counting hulls.

Though you aren't wrong, I'd like to see a sort of Bayesian breakdown of "We have a high confidence of operational status for this group, low confidence for this group".

Something else to consider is even if the turrets on these tanks are completely rusted out, if there are engine/hull compoents they might still be extremely valuable to Russia's war effort. I'm really curious about what the recovery rate for both sides looks like.

freight said:
it’s all over war twitter by now and literal MSM front page news (reuters, NYT, etc) so i wouldn’t worry too much about it; plus there’s a pretty good chance it’s either well done fakes, US psyop for the oncoming offensive, or whatever
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I'm withholding any judgement except to laugh at Vatniks trying to edit the casualty figures and claim they only lost 8 helicopters.

Only thing I will promise you is this not a military-internal document. This is too slick to be military Death-by-powerpoint; most of the slides have the wrong information density. It should either be a million figures crammed together into a unreadable mess, or one fact per page/map. The weather map is only one that I'd believe came from the US military. Maybe the force training graph, but the middle part is far, far too useful.
(OTOH: Its been a long time since I've needed to endure the finest slides highschoolers can produce. They may have updated templates.)

If real, I think this is something given to brief... like Sweden's Parlement, and probably created by a non-uniformed entity.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
Went to sleep last night, and /chug/ plus our own cope thread were cheering that, finally, FINALLY Bakhmut had fallen. The defenses had collapsed and the whole city was going to be in Russian hands within hours. I sleep. Wake up, still 2 more weeks. How can Team Z live like this?
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Lots of this:

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Followed by this:

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Followed by more of this again, ad naseaum:

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Ghostse said:
Only thing I will promise you is this not a military-internal document. This is too slick to be military Death-by-powerpoint; most of the slides have the wrong information density. It should either be a million figures crammed together into a unreadable mess, or one fact per page/map. The weather map is only one that I'd believe came from the US military. Maybe the force training graph, but the middle part is far, far too useful.
(OTOH: Its been a long time since I've needed to endure the finest slides highschoolers can produce. They may have updated templates.)
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Truth; there's a lot of hours I'll never get back from PowerPoints at battalion for our S-4 chief, (along with making them for brigade as a favor), and I highly doubt they've changed much since then. But then I think about that one dumb Booz Allen bitch, and I wonder.....
Ghostse said:
If real, I think this is something given to brief... like Sweden's Parlement, and probably created by a non-uniformed entity.
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Exactly my first thought, if genuine. They were something put together when Ukraine & the US was trying to convince some of the fence-sitting EU nations that sending tanks & artillery was the right move, and Ukraine wasn't being bled out as badly as Russia insisted.

In other news:

Russian technicians appear to have sabotaged MiG-29 fighter jets headed for Ukraine, Slovakia says​

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Russian technicians appear to have sabotaged MiG-29 fighter jets headed to Ukraine, Slovakia said.
The technicians, who were working on a Slovak air base until late 2022, had access to the jets and appear to have damaged some parts ahead of delivery to Kyiv.
Slovak Defense Minister Jaroslav Nad said the jets "were able to fly, but that doesn't mean they were also capable of combat," according to The Kyiv Independent. (Archive)
Nad added that the defects in the jets "appeared only in those parts accessed by Russians."
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Pocket Dragoon said:
Exactly my first thought, if genuine. They were something put together when Ukraine & the US was trying to convince some of the fence-sitting EU nations that sending tanks & artillery was the right move, and Ukraine wasn't being bled out as badly as Russia insisted.
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It is (if real) I don't think even a convincing piece. I think its just what NATO command would give out to friendly-but-not-100%-trustworthy (i.e. no Ukrainian positions shown) militaries to brief civie leadership/minders. The Russian assets are shown presumably so their intelligence services could validate that part reflects reality.

And Booz Allen is exactly the sort of entity I figure put that together, they'd presumably make things that were actually human useable.

Pocket Dragoon said:
Russian technicians appear to have sabotaged MiG-29 fighter jets headed for Ukraine, Slovakia says
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Zero surprises there. Boeing engingeers supposedly did very not nice things to the Iranian F-14s on their way out the door.
I'd be curious about why the fuck Russian technicians would be allow near the MiGs unsupervised on a good day, let alone when Putin's wildin'.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
If this is real, I am pretty MATI that a Joint Staff powerpoint presentation has to have a LITERAL GUIDE on what the various symbols mean. Do the fucking illiterates in the JOINT STAFF and the various intelligence agencies reading this not know the different between the symbol for a friendly Infantry Brigade and an enemy mechanized artillery battalion? This is like having a bunch of accountants who don't know how to use spreadsheets. wtf.
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The fact that it exists and was found distributed in Minecraft leads to the suspicion that it is likely part of a Congressional Briefing Package. IE prepared for Morons, and containing nothing that isn't really available publicly elsewhere.
 
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Pocket Dragoon said:
Another angle of the Su-25 shot down yesterday:
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That is clearly an American Su-24 that was piloted by a Polish Mercenary shotdown after losing a dogfight with an Su-57 (you can't see the Su-57 because it is a stealth fighter) during the expertly executed Kiev feint last year. NAFO BTFO!
 
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Kept Ya Waiting Huh said:
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It's 2023 and important leaks are being shared around servers called "Thug Shaker Central"
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If people could do Pappa Nool a favor, please don't actually post the stuff leaking. Just post links to where to find it. Jersh has enough on his hands already without becoming the next Julian Assange
 
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I know it's irrelevant to the topic of the thread itself, but I'd like to point out that there's at least several members of the opposing containment zone that are so pantshittingly mad at me for being a refuge and supporting Ukraine, they cannot stop mentioning my name, every time it's even slightly relevant.

The cope cage must be really unhealthy.
 
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Vince McMahon said:
I know it's irrelevant to the topic of the thread itself, but I'd like to point out that there's at least several members of the opposing containment zone that are so pantshittingly mad at me for being a refuge and supporting Ukraine, they cannot stop mentioning my name, every time it's even slightly relevant.

The cope cage must be really unhealthy.
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The irony is the most fervent vatnik Russians in the retard thread refuse to join the Russian military in what is likely to be the most pivotal conflict for their country in their lifetimes while insisting victory is right around the corner. I guess seeing their CSGO buddies face down in a trench on telegram isn't encouraging for recruitment.
 
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Racist Trash said:
Just two more, two more weeks.
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Russia took the east bank of the river then crossed it and has taken most of the city center in the last two weeks. Another two weeks like that and Russia will finally have won!... a small city 15 miles from the pre-"SMO" front lines at a cost of more than 10,000 dead and 30,000 wounded
 
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