Inactive Chelsea Lawrence / TanzChelsea - Munchie kicked out of two hospitals, home care and multiple treatment teams; Flagged and blacklisted by EPIC; Munched Herself to Death

[GenociderSyo]

How is it even possible that this fat whore wasted so much hospital resources and it took the staff so long to realize she was faking everything and there was nothing wrong with her besides being a junkie piece of shit? Is medical education in the US really this useless? So useless that even a random fat retard from Kiwifarms would have a much easier time spotting her lies than a properly "trained" doctor and nurse?

She was blacklisted by one of the major reporting companies they obviously knew she was pulling shit. She admited to having to go to a completely different area to find a hospital to admit her this time. One that must not have done their due dilligence well.

 

[Potato Cat]

She was blacklisted by one of the major reporting companies they obviously knew she was pulling shit. She admited to having to go to a completely different area to find a hospital to admit her this time. One that must not have done their due dilligence well.

It seems all the communication was through EPIC. If she was bright, she could have sought care from a facility that doesn't use it. HCA, for example, only uses Meditech. Many places use Cerner.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

How is it even possible that this fat whore wasted so much hospital resources and it took the staff so long to realize she was faking everything and there was nothing wrong with her besides being a junkie piece of shit? Is medical education in the US really this useless? So useless that even a random fat retard from Kiwifarms would have a much easier time spotting her lies than a properly "trained" doctor and nurse?

people have this idea that medicine is some complex scientific system where everything can be checked and tested and determined; it's 90% based on the patient telling the doctor what they feel and the doctor prescribing something for it.

muhmentals stuff is 100% that

we would save untold trillions of dollars if it was literally only "treat only what can be scientifically observed" because that would drop it down to broken bones and shit (or my brilliant idea which is if you're obese, the ONLY treatment you can get is for obesity heh)

It seems all the communication was through EPIC. If she was bright, she could have sought care from a facility that doesn't use it. HCA, for example, only uses Meditech. Many places use Cerner.

depending on where you are, you might have to go damn far to find a hospital/medical setup that isn't part of some huge conglomerate that all share information

and even then, they might automatically request information from the various other systems

 

[Potato Cat]

depending on where you are, you might have to go damn far to find a hospital/medical setup that isn't part of some huge conglomerate that all share information

and even then, they might automatically request information from the various other systems

Any doctor/hospital worth a shit would've requested records, but Chelsea was a hospital vulture. Once she got admitted, she'd pull all sorts of tricks to stay as long as she could. By the time records showed up, she would already be moved in.

This is yet another example of death by BPD.

 

[For The Internet]

I didn't understand the 'natural death' thing as that's not something that medics generally say to families here, particularly not when someone this young has died.

That and the whole autopsy weirdness confused me, but I realised I've been looking at this through a euro-centric lens rather than a US one. Duh.

I'd been stubbornly clinging on to the notion that Chelton had managed to pull off a byuu, despite mounting evidence to the contrary.
I'm actually disappointed as hell that she is truly deceased. But at least the gurning faced stiff person attack videos will live on forever.

I've heard it used casually in a medical setting before. When I worked at a hospital morgue it was used a few times with loved ones to help explain things so that at least rings true to me. I'm also not from the US (or Europe) though. I can't really make heads nor tails of what Lacey is claiming happened, but I can definitely say that the chances of any kind of body mix up are ridiculously minimal. People always seem to think of morgues as some kind of circus but they're high security and very methodical in everything they do.

Reading between the lines I think I picked up on some things. If she's being told Chelsea's death was natural and if I take the conspiracy rant under consideration that to me implies that the family accused the hospital of something shady and their response was that her death was from natural causes. The other thing I picked up was the 'she has more than six months' thing. Isn't the rule for hospice that you won't be admitted unless you have less than six months? If so, it seems they tried to get her hospice and she was denied and the takeaway was that she had more than six months left. If not, sorry, I'm probably misremembering something I read here.

It seems so suspect (but not in a huge conspiracy way) that she decreed to her family that she would die after receiving pain relief right after she was apparently told she had more than six months left. I feel like it was a 'fuck you, I'm going to die on the cross to prove I was really sick and be a munchie martyr' type of thing. It easily could be one of those fuck around and find out complications too, but the timing is suspicious.

 

[suspended animation]

My best guess is that Lacey is desperately lying to forestall any (further) questions about Chelsea's death. If she and her family truly believed that Chelz had a terminal illness, then why would they request an autopsy? It wouldn't contribute to medical knowledge of any chronic illness, and they have to know it might even backfire and expose more of Chelsea's lies, like an OD.

Maybe Lacey is trying to do "reverse psychology" on us by pretending that the family really wants an autopsy, and came up with this incredibly messy story instead. So now they're unable to tell anyone what the official cause of death and toxicology results are, cause there's some fucky conspiracy wherein bodies are swapped and the family is unable to request an autopsy.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

I didn't understand the 'natural death' thing as that's not something that medics generally say to families here, particularly not when someone this young has died.

I've heard it used casually in a medical setting before. When I worked at a hospital morgue it was used a few times with loved ones to help explain things so that at least rings true to me. I'm also not from the US (or Europe) though.

Some hospitals and regions have moved away from saying "do not resuscitate" and instead say "allow natural death". It makes the process clearer for the patient and loved ones. Death is a natural process and just part of living and it's important to emphasize that.

I suspect that they knew Chelsea's family would be a problem no matter how she died or how they spoke about it. Predictably, now we have several conspiracy theories about how it happened, and Lacey is practically orgasming at all the attention.

 

[large_farva]

So what killed her? A blood clot from not moving? An infection from rubbing poo in her lines? OD?

 

[everybody in Portugal]

So what killed her? A blood clot from not moving? An infection from rubbing poo in her lines? OD?

Overdose is the only one on that list she wouldn't have made an absolute meal out of, so it gets my vote.

If she'd been suffering something genuinely treatable like a clot or a bout of sepsis she would've posted a shit load of hospital videos so we could all see how true and honest sick she was, god knows she was desperate enough to prove how real her problems were.

Drug seeker gets cut off for a few months then accidentally OD's and family are embarrassed enough to want to keep it quiet/potentially implicated in supplying her with the fatal dose, though? That I can believe all day long.

ed: slot clot

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

The medical system is based off of believing patients. If we looked at every patient as a liar, we wouldn't get much done.

Medical staff don't have the time to investigate patient's social media like we do. While it's obvious to us that she was a junkie piece of shit, that's not immediately obvious to staff.

There will also be hell to pay if you don't believe someone and it turns out they're not a histrionic liar. So places have to know beyond a shadow of a doubt before they start treating someone like a malingerer.

 

[Oracular Slug]

Drug seeker gets cut off for a few months then accidentally OD's and family are embarrassed enough to want to keep it quiet/potentially implicated in supplying her with the fatal dose, though? That I can believe all day long.

That’s my guess too.

Junkie’s supply runs out, tolerance wanes, junkie finally gets their hands on drugs again and shoots up as much as they had been, junkie ODs — it’s a story as old as heroin and I can’t imagine it’s much different with other opioids.

 

[Vibromatic Heart Bed]

Overdose is the only one on that list she wouldn't have made an absolute meal out of, so it gets my vote.

If she'd been suffering something genuinely treatable like a slot or a bout of sepsis she would've posted a shit load of hospital videos so we could all see how true and honest sick she was, god knows she was desperate enough to prove how real her problems were.

Drug seeker gets cut off for a few months then accidentally OD's and family are embarrassed enough to want to keep it quiet/potentially implicated in supplying her with the fatal dose, though? That I can believe all day long.

I agree this is probably how she died, but it also makes the hospital look reaaaally bad if she OD'd while under their care. Was she off monitors? Did her nurse not check on her? Did they attempt to give her narcan or give CPR? What the heck happened.

edit; if she was in hospice, it can be normal to go hours without staff checking in on you (they want to promote rest/privacy/minimize disturbances) but if you have sketchy ass family, it's very easy to have prohibited substances brought in. So it would be pretty ironic if she died in hospice, not because of her made-up syndrome, but because of her & her family's poor decision making.

 

[Breadbear]

I agree this is probably how she died, but it also makes the hospital look reaaaally bad if she OD'd while under their care. Was she off monitors? Did her nurse not check on her? Did they attempt to give her narcan or give CPR? What the heck happened.

edit; if she was in hospice, it can be normal to go hours without staff checking in on you (they want to promote rest/privacy/minimize disturbances) but if you have sketchy ass family, it's very easy to have prohibited substances brought in. So it would be pretty ironic if she died in hospice, not because of her made-up syndrome, but because of her & her family's poor decision making.

Or the schizopost wall of text wasn't 100% honest. Shocking to consider, I know, but hear me out...

I'm thinking she died at home and the confused rambling is a way to obfuscate the fact that she got a bad batch of street drugs.

 

[Troonos]

How is it even possible that this fat whore wasted so much hospital resources and it took the staff so long to realize she was faking everything and there was nothing wrong with her besides being a junkie piece of shit? Is medical education in the US really this useless? So useless that even a random fat retard from Kiwifarms would have a much easier time spotting her lies than a properly "trained" doctor and nurse?

Sadly, the modern health care system considers pain and other symptoms to be subjective, so what the patient reports is what we treat. Hospitals are terrified of being accused of negligence for undertreating pain. It's retarded, and half my night is answering calls from nurses asking me to order extra doses of Dilaudid/Phenergan/Benadryl so some junkie can get high between their regularly scheduled doses.

 

[UncommonParlence]

Sadly, the modern health care system considers pain and other symptoms to be subjective, so what the patient reports is what we treat. Hospitals are terrified of being accused of negligence for undertreating pain. It's retarded, and half my night is answering calls from nurses asking me to order extra doses of Dilaudid/Phenergan/Benadryl so some junkie can get high between their regularly scheduled doses.

Bless you. Doing sky God's work. Mana from heaven.

 

[Cytotoxic Positivity]

and even then, they might automatically request information from the various other systems

Only to a point. I don't work in the area of records and portals, so this is mostly personal observation. You have to check a box and sign off on which, if any of your record can be released without a seperate waiver of consent. Mostly, this is to give the patient the ability to choose not to share drug/alcohol treatment, psych care, or HIV status. Depending on your state (I can only speak to the US system), you can choose to not release a large majority of your record and test results, with some exception within a particular hospital system, of course... the corporatization of hospitals is changing a lot of this with the ability to access through portals, and this is when I noticed this, to be honest. I'll refrain from spergy theorizing, but it has surprisingly remained a struggle to share information between systems.

I personally would find it suspicious if I were a clinician whose patient cock-blocked me from seeing their full record, especially if there were supposedly so complex and speshul. I'd at least expect anyone desperate for help would grant as much access as possible, in the event any physician actually had the time to review more than what is deemed necessary. Am I perhaps not considering something? I very well may be, and would happily stand corrected.

Chelsea very well may have been denying this access all along. That can be an obstacle to things like home care being approved... if any of her complaints of access to necessary services are true (X), I'd suspect she brought that upon herself by being shady and not releasing pertinent records.

 

[Sperghetti]

My best guess is that Lacey is desperately lying to forestall any (further) questions about Chelsea's death. If she and her family truly believed that Chelz had a terminal illness, then why would they request an autopsy? It wouldn't contribute to medical knowledge of any chronic illness, and they have to know it might even backfire and expose more of Chelsea's lies, like an OD.

Yeah, I thought that was weird, too.

Chelsea's claimed to be dying since the beginning of the year. She's been trying to get on hospice and was supposedly voluntarily abstaining from eating or drinking (which she miraculously managed to survive). Even half of that postmortem Caring Bridge post is ranting about how the doctors kept denying that she was dying, right down to mentioning that she died "hours" after she was told by doctors that she had >6 months to live and they didn't call her family even though her condition supposedly worsened overnight... And then it flips to how they can't get an autopsy even when they offer to pay for it, and they were "denied the ability to talk to the doctor who would confirm her death, do the paperwork, and/or give reasons behind death"?

The only thing I can think of is that Chelsea actually did OD and Lacey doesn't know it'll backfire -- She legitimately thinks an autopsy would prove that she died of some chronic, terminal illness that the mean ol' doctors wouldn't believe she had, and that pain medication was totally necessary and being wrongly withheld from her.

 

[Meowzers]

Chelsea wasn’t talking in her final hours. She was making a noise that sounding something in combination of humming, snoring, and moaning. It was fitting for a person who loved music and singing. Within 8 hours of her death she could kind of hum amazing grace for mom even though she couldn’t find words or use her limbs. Chelsea wasn’t responsive in the way of eye contact and she had also slowly gone blind in the weeks prior to her death. Chelseas eyes were cloudy. By the time I got there she could not squeeze your hand or let you know when she felt your presence. Chelsea’s body (it wasn’t words, distinct sound, or an exact twitch so I don’t really know how to get across in words) did get louder at times as if to let you know she acknowledged things you said or just your presence. They couldn’t get a clear reading of pulse or oxygen.

so i'm on team #ShesAlive still, i just will not believe it until i see an obituary/funeral plans/death certificate/her actual fucking body. but whether she's alive and wrote this melodramatic "she couldn't see or speak but could hum amazing grace," tale or lacey wrote it, it probably didn't happen and i'm pretty sure whoever wrote it is copying someone who actually died. there's a video on youtube of a man who filmed of his father dying (yeah that's allowed on youtube, who'da thunk ). father is totally unresponsive but son sings amazing grace and the father kind of mumbles along with before passing.
i don't doubt she has seen it. i came across it while looking up stuff on the process of dying because i'm an edgi goth and chelton had to have done some homework on how to die if she wanted to pull this off. it's like the first result for death rattle. maybe i'm just tinfoiling, but singing amazing grace in particular is so fucking specific that i can't help but think she's literally copying someone else's death for her LARP.

Spoiler: here's a link to the video btw (not embedded)

https://youtu.be/R385keFyaH8

 

[GhoulTori]

Only to a point. I don't work in the area of records and portals, so this is mostly personal observation. You have to check a box and sign off on which, if any of your record can be released without a seperate waiver of consent. Mostly, this is to give the patient the ability to choose not to share drug/alcohol treatment, psych care, or HIV status. Depending on your state (I can only speak to the US system), you can choose to not release a large majority of your record and test results, with some exception within a particular hospital system, of course... the corporatization of hospitals is changing a lot of this with the ability to access through portals, and this is when I noticed this, to be honest. I'll refrain from spergy theorizing, but it has surprisingly remained a struggle to share information between systems.

I personally would find it suspicious if I were a clinician whose patient cock-blocked me from seeing their full record, especially if there were supposedly so complex and speshul. I'd at least expect anyone desperate for help would grant as much access as possible, in the event any physician actually had the time to review more than what is deemed necessary. Am I perhaps not considering something? I very well may be, and would happily stand corrected.

Chelsea very well may have been denying this access all along. That can be an obstacle to things like home care being approved... if any of her complaints of access to necessary services are true (X), I'd suspect she brought that upon herself by being shady and not releasing pertinent records.

In most of the big EHRs the default to share is yes but there is a bug in Aprima and Cerner if you want to share in Commonwell staff has to manually input that. It is getting missed, so clinical staff might not immediately think shady.

I would because I read here LOL

 

[The Hoh Rainforest]

so i'm on team #ShesAlive still, i just will not believe it until i see an obituary/funeral plans/death certificate/her actual fucking body.

I'm also on team Lacey=Chelsea until there is additional evidence of death. But, if she is dead and Lacey =/= Chelsea, I think that Lacey is in the dark regarding the extent of the drug addiction. I could see the mother feeding Lacey bad info about the hospital evictions, COD, and autopsy, to save face and especially if Chelsea didn't score the OD drugs herself.
And I'm drunk and pissed that the downtime scared off the munchie redditn[]r before she could confirm I had her username.