Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Snappy Turtle]

Take it as encouragement to switch the direction of the thread from a hostile sperg fight between two camps "omg vaccines are evil and y'all will drop ded any day now/masks are shit and don't work" vs "omg vaccines saved granny and if you have not taken one you're a coward afraid of needles/masks work great and we should wear them more often" to a discussion based on the evidence that exists about these things and maybe come to a more moderate, reasonable conclusion about vaccines, masks, viruses and infection.

Yeah but that's never going to happen and you know it, so just explain why the vape test is unnecessary. Differences in droplet size?

 

[Sneed (formerly ﷽)]

FUCK YEAH! As a fellow contrarian, I will for once support the government and left winging side of politics just to piss off my far right acquaintances for this specific debate!

 

[Pizzapopzzzzz]

i will if i have 2,but i havent got any. ppl i know who had em all have random headaches n nosebleeds now,its poison ofc the gov wont wanna help you. i thought sum of yall r atleast not fully brainless. the world is going to shit bc of all our ancestors (mostly white ppl) has took it for granted. natives used to onlytake what is needed never wasted things,if we were all to be like that MAYBE we'll last another 10 yrs

 

[AgendaPoster]

Yeah but that's never going to happen and you know it, so just explain why the vape test is unnecessary. Differences in droplet size?

Fine
- surgical masks were never designed to prevent aerosols, which the vape "smoke" (vapors) is
- cloth masks are even more unsuitable; the surgical masks usually have some filtration capacity, and inhaling creates a (very weak) seal; they also have a layer to prevent blood and droplets from coming into contact with the nose/mouth mucosae (pray that it doesn't enter your eyes though, or wear goggles). Cloth mask have basically no filtration capacity (more layers increase their weak capabilities) and are basically fashion statements.
- respirators are incredibly diverse in their functionality; massive amounts of respirators that cannot pass any test exist on markets, majority from China, Korea etc., the KN95 ear loop models. Respirators without a nose piece and over the head bands should not even be taken into consideration.
Filtration capacity is nearly entirely dependent on the seal made with the face, which is enforced during inspiration. In a proper environment, with toxic fumes etc., you would have the workers wear multiple respirator sizes and seal test each against a specific device created for that. This essentially is not a thing in hospitals and was not a thing during the height of the pandemic either; you would've been extremely pleased to have a good brand, well fitting respirator which you would carefully reuse for days, as the supply was very small.
Still, even well fitting respirators have varying filtration capacity, and because the pandemic meant rushed and dubious sourced supplies, it's not uncommon to have respirators which are barely above a surgical mask in capability.
Now, in the video posted by Wood, the lady can't even breathe in her respirator; that is super-fake and obviously so; we would wear these for 8-10 hours each day. During summer and 35C heatwaves. You'll breathe just fine, and your SpO2 will be 99% as it should if you're healthy. It's not pleasant, but it won't hurt you.
When she tries to inhale vape through the respirator, she only manages to burn the fabric. So the test does not even happen as she gives up on it.
A much harder to discuss (lack of clear data) issue is particle size vs efficiency. There are multiple studies about the particulate matter in vape smoke, common figures seem to be in the 250-450 nm range. Respirators of a N95 quality have a filtration efficiency of "approximately 99.5% or higher at about 0.75 micron" (750nm), that grows with bigger particles. You can see from the figures that questions are in order to ascertain if a respirator can be efficient at the particulate size typically found in vapes. But wait. It's even more complicated.
The fibers in the N95 respirators are electrically charged. And they are efficient, to a rather ambiguous degree, towards much smaller particles.
So this discussion is actually quite difficult and would require, as usual, specific testing in a lab, that can be replicated across other labs.

 

[AnOminous]

Take it as encouragement to switch the direction of the thread from a hostile sperg fight between two camps "omg vaccines are evil and y'all will drop ded any day now/masks are shit and don't work" vs "omg vaccines saved granny and if you have not taken one you're a coward afraid of needles/masks work great and we should wear them more often" to a discussion based on the evidence that exists about these things and maybe come to a more moderate, reasonable conclusion about vaccines, masks, viruses and infection.

Why the fuck would we want to do something stupid like that when just endlessly sperg fighting is so fun?

Fine
- surgical masks were never designed to prevent aerosols, which the vape "smoke" (vapors) is
- cloth masks are even more unsuitable; the surgical masks usually have some filtration capacity, and inhaling creates a (very weak) seal; they also have a layer to prevent blood and droplets from coming into contact with the nose/mouth mucosae (pray that it doesn't enter your eyes though, or wear goggles). Cloth mask have basically no filtration capacity (more layers increase their weak capabilities) and are basically fashion statements.
- respirators are incredibly diverse in their functionality; massive amounts of respirators that cannot pass any test exist on markets, majority from China, Korea etc., the KN95 ear loop models. Respirators without a nose piece and over the head bands should not even be taken into consideration.
Filtration capacity is nearly entirely dependent on the seal made with the face, which is enforced during inspiration. In a proper environment, with toxic fumes etc., you would have the workers wear multiple respirator sizes and seal test each against a specific device created for that. This essentially is not a thing in hospitals and was not a thing during the height of the pandemic either; you would've been extremely pleased to have a good brand, well fitting respirator which you would carefully reuse for days, as the supply was very small.
Still, even well fitting respirators have varying filtration capacity, and because the pandemic meant rushed and dubious sourced supplies, it's not uncommon to have respirators which are barely above a surgical mask in capability.
Now, in the video posted my Wood, the lady can't even breathe in her respirator; that is super-fake and obviously so; we would wear these for 8-10 hours each day. During summer and 35C heatwaves. You'll breathe just fine, and your SpO2 will be 99% as it should if you're healthy. It's not pleasant, but it won't hurt you.
When she tries to inhale vape through the respirator, she only manages to burn the fabric. So the test does not even happen as she gives up on it.
A much harder to discuss (lack of clear data) issue is particle size vs efficiency. There are multiple studies about the particulate matter in vape smoke, common figures seem to be in the 250-450 nm range. Respirators of a N95 quality have a "approximately 99.5% or higher at about 0.75 micron" (750nm), that grows with bigger particles. You can see from the figures that questions are in order to ascertain if a respirator can be efficient at the particulate size typically found in vapes. But wait. It's even more complicated.
The fibers in the N95 respirators are electrically charged. And they are efficient, to a rather ambiguous degree, towards much smaller particles.
So this discussion is actually quite difficult and would require, as usual, specific testing in a lab, that can be replicated across other labs.

That's a lot of words.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Why the fuck would we want to do something stupid like that when just endlessly sperg fighting is so fun?

I'm a sucker for consensus

 

[Snappy Turtle]

Fine

Thanks for the effortpost, you have improved the thread greatly. I disagree that the vape video is irrelevant because cloth masks and surgical masks don't work. In mask-required situations, surgical and cloth masks were almost always permitted, and since they did not block aerosols they were pretty much meaningless (assuming that covid is mostly aerosol spread, looks like scientists haven't totally nailed that down yet). Cloth masks in particular were always a joke, and nearly all of them came in packaging that specifically said "will not protect against infectious diseases."

Agreed that respirators genuinely provide protection against transmitting and catching. But at what cost? Respirators are uncomfortable as hell and I have a hunch that they really do result in you breathing in an unhealthy level of CO2. Exhaled breath has 100x the C02 concentration of atmospheric air. So if your respirator still contains at least 1% of your exhaled breath when you inhale, you have doubled your CO2 intake. Just slightly over 1% and you get into CO2 concentrations that affect cognitive performance.

Of course, even if masks did significantly cut down on your personal level of infectiousness, that doesn't necessarily translate to a corresponding community-wide protection. As a crude analogy, getting shot by 10 bullets doesn't make me half as likely to die as getting shot by 20. When scientists try to measure the overall effect they frequently show that there isn't a significant improvement.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Thanks for the effortpost, you have improved the thread greatly. I disagree that the vape video is irrelevant because cloth masks and surgical masks don't work. In mask-required situations, surgical and cloth masks were almost always permitted, and since they did not block aerosols they were pretty much meaningless (assuming that covid is mostly aerosol spread, looks like scientists haven't totally nailed that down yet). Cloth masks in particular were always a joke, and nearly all of them came in packaging that specifically said "will not protect against infectious diseases."

There is a large gap between science, which contains a large amount of uncertainty when it comes to viral infection, and government interventions and decision making. You will not get definitive results on these issues because science does not have the definitive answers. It's basically a "out of an abundance of caution", "we decided X and Y".
The mask issue was highly politicized too, so people grew retarded over time, making any discussion essentially a loss of time; governments knew that mask wearers are plan trusting good citizens; not wearing mask meant you're a rebellious, potentially destabilizing factor. Pandemics and events like these are traumatic and result in a lot of emotional measures and behaviors.
For example, if you'd ask me "should I wear mask to protect myself from COVID" or "are they efficient" I'd shrug and tell you "I just don't know for sure, but they probably do something, that grows in size and relevance with better masks with good fit".
I can't and won't force it on you; if you think (more like feel) that COVID is a lethal danger and you wanna wear one of those half facepiece respirators, I might smirk a bit, but do your thing. I still see people wearing masks sometimes. Old people wearing them under the chin, for nothing, just as some sort of talisman of a past era. Letting go can be hard (as seen in this thread lmao).
The more certain people are about these things, the more suspicious I am of them, as it stops being about what is true and more about which tribe you belong to politically. I belong to tribes too, for sure, but FFS, not based on viruses and pandemic interventions.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm a sucker for consensus

Consensus is for fags.

 

[gang weeder]

Take it as encouragement to switch the direction of the thread from a hostile sperg fight between two camps "omg vaccines are evil and y'all will drop ded any day now/masks are shit and don't work" vs "omg vaccines saved granny and if you have not taken one you're a coward afraid of needles/masks work great and we should wear them more often" to a discussion based on the evidence that exists about these things and maybe come to a more moderate, reasonable conclusion about vaccines, masks, viruses and infection.

But masks are shit and don't work. And neither did the vaccine. That is the moderate reasonable conclusion. I guess you could say someone who actually believes the vaccines are going to cause a mass die-off is getting too far off to that "side," but I don't know that anyone in here actually believes that. I suspect people just don't believes that the shots are 100% safe either. Which, again, is the moderate reasonable conclusion.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

LOL okay boy how about you go get your 1488th Fauci Ouchie and maybe repent for your white privilege while you're at it huh you boomer fascist? I am sure a big daddy government grifter will be available to hear your confessions you THEOCRAT

I know it's hard for you to believe, but someone who wasn't a low IQ simpleton would trust medical professionals over Tucker Carlson. I know you Fox News watching boomers trust Tucker Carlson, even though he admitted, in court, that he lies to his audience, but you just love your grifters. Also, I know you've admitted to being a low IQ simpleton, so counting is difficult for you, but they've recommend 1 booster for most people. Now, again, I know counting to 1 is hard when your IQ is about 60, but ask your case worker to get you in some very remedial math courses

But masks are shit and don't work. And neither did the vaccine. That is the moderate reasonable conclusion. I guess you could say someone who actually believes the vaccines are going to cause a mass die-off is getting too far off to that "side," but I don't know that anyone in here actually believes that. I suspect people just don't believes that the shots are 100% safe either. Which, again, is the moderate reasonable conclusion.

Except despite what Tucker Carlson told you, they did work. Again, I know you claim to know more than medical professionals because you watch Tucker Carlson, but you don't know more about covid than Johns Hopkins University.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

I know it's hard for you to believe, but someone who wasn't a low IQ simpleton would trust medical professionals over Tucker Carlson. I know you Fox News watching boomers trust Tucker Carlson, even though he admitted, in court, that he lies to his audience, but you just love your grifters. Also, I know you've admitted to being a low IQ simpleton, so counting is difficult for you, but they've recommend 1 booster for most people. Now, again, I know counting to 1 is hard when your IQ is about 60, but ask your case worker to get you in some very remedial math courses


Except despite what Tucker Carlson told you, they did work. Again, I know you claim to know more than medical professionals because you watch Tucker Carlson, but you don't know more about covid than Johns Hopkins University.

It's always Tucker Carlson this, Alex Jones that. But you never mention the only medical authority that truly matters.

Spoiler: Truth

Dear Feeder

 

[AgendaPoster]

I failed in my attempt.

 

[Vince McMahon]

At this point, it's not even a trashfire, this is a Cafe "Le HHH" , where retards get served to triple H on a platter, 3 course meal, 24/7.

 

[Wood]

I failed in my attempt.

Try to rephrase it in terms of homosexual intercourse so that the maskfags can understand.

in the video posted by Wood, the lady can't even breathe in her respirator

We're talking about the holy surgical mask here. Seriously, masktards have to be some of the dumbest niggers walking this earth, second maybe only to the flatearthers. Bet they don't even wear surgical goggles to cover the other giant mucous membrane on their dumb commie face.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

blah blah autism

You may find Dominic Cummins blogs about his time in Number 10 during the pandemic. It really highlights the uncertaintly in the science, and the rift between science educated people who were looking at the uncertainty, and the cretins in power who wanted binary.
Starts here

https://dominiccummings.substack.com/p/the-pm-on-hancock-totally-fucking

He's got a terrible writing style, but as a fellow autist you can get into his head and understand him just well. The interdasting stuff starts in the second section, and there's more entries at the start of the Substackitself

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Try to rephrase it in terms of homosexual intercourse so that the maskfags can understand.

We're talking about the holy surgical mask here. Seriously, masktards have to be some of the dumbest niggers walking this earth, second maybe only to the flatearthers. Bet they don't even wear surgical goggles to cover the other giant mucous membrane on their dumb commie face.

It's funny when anti-education, low IQ simpletons like yourself claim to know more about medicine than Johns Hopkins University because you read boomer anti-mask memes on Facebook

It's really not that hard to understand how masks work. Then again, your brain is pretty simple, which has caused you to be a gullible simpleton who believes every anti-science and alt-right thing he hears

 

[TIM4EUS]

the vaxxcopers STILL refuse to answer my question:

IOW the vaccine might end up being worse for you than covid itself. you just dont know either way. let me reframe this, at the time the vaccine came out they said it was safe and effective but it turned out they were wrong about the effective part, so what about the safe part?

 

[Stan]

No it doesn't, natural immunity works.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
I hope you have the same attitude about flu vaccines so you can have the pleasure of getting influenza and COVID and other rapidly mutating viruses year after year.

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

3 years in, the covid emergency will be over soon and vax niggers still are trying to justify why the vax is good even though they aren't fully up to date.

Lol what faggots. Vax niggers confirmed to be the stupidest niggers in all of niggerville