Culture We Deserve What Star Wars Has Become - Rian Johnson’s The Last Jedi was a bold, modern interpretation of Star Wars lore that set up new heroes with new stories

There was a moment at last week’s Star Wars Celebration 2023 in London where Dave Filoni stood with the spotlight shining behind him, arena lights dimmed to create a sliver of light, and Filoni’s instantly recognisable Stetsoned shadow looming over the arena. It was reminiscent of the Phantom Menace poster, where Darth Vader’s shadow is cast behind Anakin Skywalker. Knowing Filoni’s public persona, it may well have been a deliberate choice to play out this fantasy. But even as a coincidence, it’s a tellingly poetic reminder about Star Wars’ inability to let go of its past.

I have a curious relationship with Star Wars. I watch or play most of the stuff connected to it (or, in the common parlance, consume most of its content), but have never been in love with it. I don’t have any particular horse in the race. I don’t care that Lizzo and Jack Black are in the latest episode of The Mandalorian because I remember that the third movie ends with teddy bear puppets defeating the fascists and that the musicians are called ‘jizz wailers’. It’s always been a little silly. But it can still be silly and good. What’s more, it can be silly and good and important. But right now, it’s just a mess, and we deserve it.

Star Wars conventions have been around ever since there were Star Wars. But they used to be events for looking back, with fan-favourite clips being shown, some behind-the-scenes footage, and autographs with the stars. If there were any announcements, they would be special editions of existing things, which we did see over the weekend with discussion of the 40th anniversary cut of Return of the Jedi. We had interviews and behind-the-scenes clips too, including sequences that were storyboarded using action figures, but they were no longer the draw.

You can’t make money off the past. At least, not until you find a way to sell it into the future. Star Wars, in part thanks to the fact it’s owned by Disney, is fully in the capitalist vortex of churning out every possible spin-off it can, chasing that sweet, sweet dollar. The part of this problem not directly caused by Disney is caused by the fact Star Wars’ biggest creative leads were huge fans as kids, and are now recreating that, forever. Nothing new, just the stuff that blew their minds in the ‘80s.

The Mandalorian only exists because people thought Boba Fett’s helmet was cool. Granted, we got one great series out of it, and a few other good episodes sprinkled in, but now it’s running on fumes. It can’t just be a space western, it has to link to Luke Skywalker and Ahsoka and Boba Fett. Boba has his own spin off show too, with Ahsoka’s on the way, and now we know we’re getting a ‘MandoVerse’ movie. Why does The Mandalorian need its own universe? It’s already part of the Star Wars universe. I thought the whole point was that it was its own thing that could tell smaller stories.

This is where our own culpability comes into it. Culturally, we have shown ourselves to be good little piggies consuming content on demand. Though the superhero box office dominance is waning, we have supported the creation of spin-off after spin-off, universe after universe. About 476,923 new Star Wars projects were announced or discussed during the conference, and the vast majority were continuations, spin-offs, or old characters getting to ride again. Star Wars is failing to take advantage of the world’s potential in order to appease YouTubers with stained shirts who think it’s woke that Daisy Ridley’s abs give them complex emotions.

Rian Johnson’s The Last Jedi was a bold, modern interpretation of Star Wars lore that set up new heroes with new stories and had some of the best, most layered acting the series has ever known. In the very next movie, it was all burned down so that the classic heroes could shine again. Rey went from being a nobody to being a Palpatine and then a Skywalker, only worth the viewer’s time because she has famous blood. They nepo-babied her. Now it turns out Rian Johnson’s planned trilogy is dead. Don’t worry though, Rey is getting a movie that will double down on her innate importance that only exists because of her last name.

Star Wars had a chance to be new again, to continue to blow the minds of fresh-faced fans once more. After Rogue One and The Last Jedi, it was in a place to bring in bold stories with exciting heroes. But it’s no longer interested in fresh-faced fans. It cares about middle aged dorks who remember being fresh-faced fans and now spend 20 percent of their annual earnings on Star Wars merch and desperately want their IP to remind them of the time they were fresh-faced fans. That’s who Star Wars is for now. It’s not good, but we deserve it.

 
The shitty prequels are what caused the new shitty movies to be made by Disney. The prequels showed that you can release anything Star Wars and the Star Wars fans will pay to see it. No matter how awful. You could tell the direction George Lucas was going when he rereleased the first three Star Wars movies in the 90's with newly added CGI. That has not aged well at all from what I have heard. By the time Episode 1 came along it was mostly CGI and it stayed that way through the prequels. I think the 3rd prequel had the most CGI out of all three. So much so that people back then were saying it was more like a cartoon than an actual movie. I guess kind of like Toy Story.

So, George Lucas being the money-grubbing goblin that he is release the prequels. which taught the world Star Wars fans will accept any garbage as long as it's Star Wars. Then about a decade or so later he sells Star Wars to Disney. Disney continues doing what Lucas did. Slapping Star Wars on anything expecting it to make money. All the faggots who said the prequels were good. They caused the new movies to exist.
The prequels at least had a fucking vision behind them as messed up as the final product came out, they were also surprisingly a lot less cgi than people think, though. Moe an overabundance of greenscreen and cgi characters rather than just cgi everything. There's actually photos out there of the tiny miniature sets people mistook as cgi backgrounds.
Sure the acting was rough in some spaces, there was some awkward direction, but the prequels accomplished their goal of showing the fall of Luke's dad tot he dark side. It came up with similar but still clearly new aesthetics for the various locations that meshed into the the pre-existing universe. At the time episode 3 came out they had just finished up an animated miniseries that thanks to a cgi show based on said miniseries that came out years after the fact replacing it in-canon some weird small things in episode 3 no longer make any sense but that's another story.

Disney's sequel trilogy started with a vague direction, backpedaled instantly to"subvert expectations" and then veered off a cliff with unexplained bullshit. The only "new" ships were just "old thing but sometimes bigger" the only "new" planets were variants of the old one but legally distinct via rename or it being salt instead of snow" They bragged abotu how they were doing more practical effects than the prequels but then proceeded to use even more cgi than the prequels, and not even for interesting shit but to just fucking copy/paste star destroyers. Let's not even forget the fact they completely fucking destroyed what "using the force" even fucking means. From literally pushing shit or focusing your energy in both the OT and prequels to fucking teleporting through psychic link bullshit and kissy life transfer shit.

Let me guess, she went gaga for the nonexistent love story between Kylo Ren and Rey?
Reminder that Disney's hired writers unintentionally made the romance between those two actual incest by making Rey be Palpatine's grandaughter. The star wars prequels imply Palpatine might've been responsible for Anikin being born via weird force sex and the "canon" material disney has made "confirms" it at several points, meaning Kylo is Palpatine's great grandson despite the last name of Skywalker. So it's a dude's grandaughter and great grandson romantically involved with one another to the point the great grandson feels obligated to give his fucking life force entirely to his incestual lover. Thanks disney!
 
The shitty prequels are what caused the new shitty movies to be made by Disney. The prequels showed that you can release anything Star Wars and the Star Wars fans will pay to see it. No matter how awful.

The problem with the prequels was, he didn't have the same types of people he had around him when he made the original trilogy. People who would tell him "thats fucking retarded, we're changing this and this and cutting out this". Empire Strikes Back didn't even have him as the Director. No, he was surrounded by people who grew up on Star Wars and thought he was a literal God who could do no wrong. Just go back and look at the making of and watch how all the people employed treat him. The prequels still had an overall arc, but it needed other people to come in and fix it. Make it workable.
 
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The prequels at least had a fucking vision behind them as messed up as the final product came out, they were also surprisingly a lot less cgi than people think, though. Moe an overabundance of greenscreen and cgi characters rather than just cgi everything. There's actually photos out there of the tiny miniature sets people mistook as cgi backgrounds.
Sure the acting was rough in some spaces, there was some awkward direction, but the prequels accomplished their goal of showing the fall of Luke's dad tot he dark side. It came up with similar but still clearly new aesthetics for the various locations that meshed into the the pre-existing universe. At the time episode 3 came out they had just finished up an animated miniseries that thanks to a cgi show based on said miniseries that came out years after the fact replacing it in-canon some weird small things in episode 3 no longer make any sense but that's another story.

Disney's sequel trilogy started with a vague direction, backpedaled instantly to"subvert expectations" and then veered off a cliff with unexplained bullshit. The only "new" ships were just "old thing but sometimes bigger" the only "new" planets were variants of the old one but legally distinct via rename or it being salt instead of snow" They bragged abotu how they were doing more practical effects than the prequels but then proceeded to use even more cgi than the prequels, and not even for interesting shit but to just fucking copy/paste star destroyers. Let's not even forget the fact they completely fucking destroyed what "using the force" even fucking means. From literally pushing shit or focusing your energy in both the OT and prequels to fucking teleporting through psychic link bullshit and kissy life transfer shit.
This is why Star Wars fans ended up with those shitty Disney movies. It's because they were willing to consume the shitty prequels. Star Wars fans have no one else to blame but themselves. If they had just stopped acting like faggots about the prequels there would be no shitty Disney movies. But instead they put on their Jedi robes grabbed their $500 Lightsaber replicas and went to the theaters to see those shit prequels.
 
But instead they put on their Jedi robes grabbed their $500 Lightsaber replicas and went to the theaters to see those shit prequels.
$500 lightsabers weren't even a fucking thing till after disney bought star wars what the fuck are you talking about lmao

The problem with the prequels was, he didn't have the same types of people he had around him when he made the original trilogy. People who would tell him "thats fucking retarded, we're changing this and this and cutting out this". Empire Strikes Back didn't even have him as the Director. No, he was surrounded by people who grew up on Star Wars and thought he was a literal God who could do no wrong. Just go back and look at the making of and watch how all the people employed treat him. The prequels still had an overall arc, but it needed other people to come in and fix it. Make it workable.
He KINDA got reeled in a bit after the first prequel movie, and you can see it with the fact Jar Jar lost prominence wheras originally he was going to be one of the "most important characters" of the prequel trilogy. I've always been kinda morbidly curious to see what the original gameplan for Jar Jar's "arc" was gonna be, as insufferable of a bastard as he was. He just gets relegated to a background guy with barely any lines and no personality after episode 1 due to the fucking severe backlash.
I do agree on Lucas being given a little too little criticism was partly why the prequels faltered a bit, but at the same time I don't want to live in a world where the kinda people that make "improved edits" of the prequels that entirely cut out Watto and Dexter Jettster were in charge of things. Those people weirdly seem to have a bit too much of an overlap with the kind of person that made this article.
 
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The best part of the ghostbusters 2016 movie? Our thread on it and all the butthurt and name calling from everyone associated with that piece of shit.
The best part of the last three Star Wars movies? Same fucking thing. I love our analysis and mockery. I will say I like myself some mandolorian. But when they put Christopher Lloyd and Jack Black in there I started thinking about 80s shows where they had to add a kid or some shit to keep it going. And that gammoran guard queen in the last episode had to go. But I feel no concern about them fucking it all up (so far I’ve been ok with the acting and storytelling) because I know they will. They can’t help themselves.
 
As usual, the corporate dick-sucker blames audiences.

No, the problem with Star Wars is the same thing infecting every other corner of pop culture, media, academia, and elite society. It's feminized and anti-male. It was unusually male-centric for a short stretch, probably because Favreau had weight to throw around, but as soon as the dust settled it turned into the same flabby, feminine shit as everything else.

Male characters today can only be fools, faggots, or replaced by women. This is another one that went with option 3, but it's all the same shit.
In this case they are right but the details are wrong. It is the audiences fault. They went out and paid to see the shitty prequels. Which showed Lucas and Disney that Star Wars fans will consume any garbage as long as it says Star Wars. It isn't the least bit surprising that Disney thought they could sell those shitty movies to people. They were kind of successful at least with the first and second movie. It's all the other shit that came after that started failing hard.
The problem with the prequels was, he didn't have the same types of people he had around him when he made the original trilogy. People who would tell him "thats fucking retarded, we're changing this and this and cutting out this". Empire Strikes Back didn't even have him as the Director. No, he was surrounded by people who grew up on Star Wars and thought he was a literal God who could do no wrong. Just go back and look at the making of and watch how all the people employed treat him. The prequels still had an overall arc, but it needed other people to come in and fix it. Make it workable.
I have heard this before. George Lucas unrestrained is not a good idea. But that's all done and over with now. The prequels were huge sellers and he sold SW to Disney and they continued to pick at the corpse like vultures after Lucas killed Star Wars with the prequels.
 
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$500 lightsabers weren't even a fucking thing till after disney bought star wars what the fuck are you talking about lmao
Real talk, I have some of the Master Replica Lightsabers that came out during the prequel years; even the Mace Windu one was like $90. The only one more than that was Darth Maul's, but that's because it was literally two light-sabers connected together (so twice as expensive). It was only when Disney got it, opened their failed Star Wars park and had their "design your own lightsaber" thing that was worse quality than actual prop designers and cost like five times more.
 
I don't want to live in a world where the kinda people that make "improved edits" of the prequels that entirely cut out Watto and Dexter Jettster were in charge of things. Those people weirdly seem to have a bit too much of an overlap with the kind of person that made this article.

It's too late now, what's done is done.
 
I think you could expand the star wars universe if they let themselves get away from jedi and sith for five minutes. I enjoyed the Thrawn series and would like to see something similar to it. Hell an interesting idea for a movie would be to show the empire while corrupt being full of people legitimately trying to help their world and it bringing much needed stability to regions that never knew it ( that was half the reason for the separatists being a thing).

Sadly instead we got jedi and sith forever fighting a pointless religious war that the majority of the galaxy shouldn't even give a shit about. It's a rich setting but even when they succeed by accident with it they are unable to comprehend why they succeeded.
 
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Has there been any case yet of a beloved movie or show getting an official continuation and that continuation being so loathed by fans that it's relegated to non-cannon drivel with the original either being left as is or replaced with a better continuation?

I can honestly see that happening with Star Wars a some point in the future.
Star Wars is already there. For an anime example, there's Tsukihime where the fans of the VN disliked it so much everyone pretends it doesn't exist. Then there's Rescue Rangers. The original cartoon was fine and so did Roger Rabbit.

But then Seth Rogen got Gadget to fuck a fly and the more diehard elements are happy to pretend the movie stopped existing. Honestly, you could get away with putting Disney as the poster boy of unwanted sequels. Be it to bad writing or social justice garbage.
 
No matter how hot the girl is, those shitty librarian glasses are a giant turn off. Also, it's hard to believe that Disney purchased what you would think is basically a license to print money and they manage to lose millions by throwing it over to a bunch of real life Sith Lords.

Another beloved franchise, ruined by morons. And I thought I hated Randy Pitchford.
I don't get it either. These types of people always decide to get these glasses that look like some Boomer office worker from the mid 50's and 60's. If a woman can pick a nice looking pair of glasses they can actually look pretty hot wearing them. But not the granny glasses. I have seen female Librarians with better looking glasses. These stupid bitches just make themselves look like old women. But they act like a bunch of fucktards.
$500 lightsabers weren't even a fucking thing till after disney bought star wars what the fuck are you talking about lmao


He KINDA got reeled in a bit after the first prequel movie, and you can see it with the fact Jar Jar lost prominence wheras originally he was going to be one of the "most important characters" of the prequel trilogy. I've always been kinda morbidly curious to see what the original gameplan for Jar Jar's "arc" was gonna be, as insufferable of a bastard as he was. He just gets relegated to a background guy with barely any lines and no personality after episode 1 due to the fucking severe backlash.
I do agree on Lucas being given a little too little criticism was partly why the prequels faltered a bit, but at the same time I don't want to live in a world where the kinda people that make "improved edits" of the prequels that entirely cut out Watto and Dexter Jettster were in charge of things. Those people weirdly seem to have a bit too much of an overlap with the kind of person that made this article.
Yes, there were replica lightsabers before Disney. Like Kheapathic said in his comment he owns one. I remember seeing them long before Disney was ever involved with Star Wars. I might have exaggerated the price. But I made my point. A bunch of autistic nerd fags went out and paid to see the prequels and they got shitty Disney Stars movies with an SJW twist 10-15 years later.
Real talk, I have some of the Master Replica Lightsabers that came out during the prequel years; even the Mace Windu one was like $90. The only one more than that was Darth Maul's, but that's because it was literally two light-sabers connected together (so twice as expensive). It was only when Disney got it, opened their failed Star Wars park and had their "design your own lightsaber" thing that was worse quality than actual prop designers and cost like five times more.
I looked at them as well years ago. But I couldn't bring myself to buy one. I always wanted the Darth Vader one. But I never bought one.
 
There was another Star Wars cartoon that came out recently about prequel era Jedi. Basically short stories. I remember the fans being hyped for the Ahsoka stories because they all want those orange butt cheeks. But when it was all said and done it wasnt the Ahsoka episodes my friends were gushing about, it was the fucking Dooku ones. It caught my attention enough to give them a shot and...

They were good. They didnt make Dooku incompetent. They didnt replace him with the new womyn. They didnt try to prop up a dozen other failing shows with cameos and other shit. It was just a story of one of the best Jedi growing bitter and disillusioned with a corrupt government until the death of his pseudo son makes him fall.
It honestly made me wonder how good Christopher Lee could have been playing that guy in the films instead of the half baked Dooku he was given. It made me like Star Wars again

And then I saw Lizzo on the Mando show and my contempt returned full force. Star Wars isnt dead, not yet. but they keep trying to fucking kill it and they're damn close to succeeding.
 
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If you adjust for inflation, A New Hope made over $3.8 billion dollars, much more than The Force Awakens could in its runtime. You can absolutely make money off the past; that's exactly why the franchise kept going for this long. You just elected not to because you're so spiteful that Star Wars wasn't your creation, so Disney took it, shat all over the OT characters, and then called it theirs. If Disney cared about the past, they would probably be making a lot more money than they do now.
> Troon author wants to "kill the past" because zee doesn't want to be dEaDnAmEd

Many such cases.
 
I think you could expand the star wars universe if they let themselves get away from jedi and sith for five minutes. I enjoyed the Thrawn series and would like to see something similar to it. Hell an interesting idea for a movie would be to show the empire while corrupt being full of people legitimately trying to help their world and it bringing much needed stability to regions that never knew it ( that was half the reason for the separatists being a thing).

Sadly instead we got jedi and sith forever fighting a pointless religious war that the majority of the galaxy shouldn't even give a shit about. It's a rich setting but even when they succeed by accident with it they are unable to comprehend why they succeeded.

In normal times, I would agree. I thought Rogue One showed how broad the universe *could* be, and it only existed in the margins of the first movie.

But these aren't normal times. With a few odd exceptions here and there, mostly work by people from a different era, the mainstream industry is incapable of creating good fiction. It's dominated by people who are creatively timid and morally arrogant. I don't know if its because they ARE cultists, or because they're AFRAID of the cult, but I've never seen an era of media that's so paint-by-numbers and soulless. It goes for TV, comics, movies... everything. It all feels like it was written by a 30-something woman with no life experience, who wants "to be a writer" a lot more than she wants to write.
 
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It all feels like it was written by a 30-something woman with no life experience, who wants "to be a writer" a lot more than she wants to write.
I think it all feels like it was made by a committee where everyone's afraid of being insensitive or offensive so nobody wants to take risks.

Yeah Slave Leia was problematic, but she was also iconic and that wasn't her whole character. She used her chains to strangle that dude. She was a woman who knew her own mind, wasn't afraid to be sexy, and interacted with the other characters in a way that felt like a real person.

Versus putting teenage Mary Sues into the story, where they're not going to get laid, they're not going to face real danger... ugh.
 
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