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[LORD IMPERATOR]

In other words leftists are either huge autists who can’t understand people not taking things 100% seriously or they are just arguing in bad faith to find anything to attack their enemies on.

Probably both. They just want to use it to call Conservatives fascist all over again.

Breadtubers keep whining about how 40K's satire is lost on conservative players, even though 40K conservative fans like Arch freely admit that they know the Imperium is shit and that they wouldn't want to live there.

@Sargon's wife's son

I can literally find people saying the exact same thing about racial nationalism from 300 BC the reason people will faithful to Kings and the church is cuz they represented the nation state.

False. The nation-state as you know it did not exist until the Late Renaissance, when the kings started centralizing rule in a Roman fashion to focus all power on the throne. Prior to that, you had different city-states, aristocracies, feudal monarchies, bishoprichs, duchies, with people swearing allegiance to all sorts of sovereigns. You can have Frenchmen paying homage to the King of England, or Muslims paying homage to the Catholic King of Sicily.

No it is not reactionaries like myself believe in absolute monarchy We Believe equality is a myth because it is no one is actually equal the fact that anybody actually came up with the idea of egalitarianism is hilarious because you take one look at the world around you and you realize the world is inherently on Fair and that's fine.

Then as a reactionary, your job should be to disparage and denounce nationalism since it replaced God with a flag. God and the Church were at the center of social life until nationalism replaced religion with national identity, which led down the road to World War 1 and millions dying for nationalist causes. Prior to nationalism, wars between kings were a trifling affair; almost like soccer. Barring exceptions like the Thirty Years' War and the Hundred Years' War, most wars went on and off over small disputes and were resolved rather quickly. But 100 years after nationalism had taken root in Europe following the French Revolution, and you get two world wars where millions of people died because of nationalistic causes.

They believe in the supreme authority of their selected clique ("vanguard party") in the same way a king believes in his supreme authority derived from God. In practise, you cannot find many differences between the court of an absolute monarch and the inner circle of a communist party in terms of functionality.

The one difference is that the Church can hold the king's feet to the fire back in the Middle Ages. Supreme authority derived from God means that if God's middle-men decided that you're out of line, you lose that authority, and nobles and commoners alike can rebel against you in good conscience without violating their faith. You can't do that with Communism, where guys like Xi Jinping or Mao Zedong can do whatever they like and people line up for it.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

You can't do that with Communism, where guys like Xi Jinping or Mao Zedong can do whatever they like and people line up for it.

I beg to differ, slightly. Left-wing thought and religion have one big thing in common: fragmentation and infighting over how the sacred texts are to be interpreted. And that had and has a lot of explosive potential. How many heretics were burned and how many commies were killed as revisionists will likely never be known - the underlying zeal is of the same disturbing quality.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFUC0UWgdGY&ab_channel=Hakim

I could laugh at this video but it's so filled with Selective Cherry Picked examples Imperial Russia had the same economic output during World War I as France
The reason Russia didn't do too well in World War I had to do with the Russian military falling behind somewhat on some technological fronts.
Some of the later technologies that they developed before the Revolution were quite Innovative such as the world's first example of an assault rifle technically was a light machine gun
As well as an impressive economic and Industrial output throughout the war

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFUC0UWgdGY&ab_channel=Hakim

"haha just let us ignore the totalitarian intrusion into the daily lives of the citizens, shall we, because here, have some statistics about how nafo tried to destabilize the glorious ussr"
Oh yes, let us forget about how one in ten citizens of the GDR was basically a StaSi-janny. And let us also forget all the enviromental disasters caused by the usual neglect commies have for the enviroment and the well-being of their surroundings. Also, best not talk about the roughly 900,000 people Stalin had shot because he felt like it. Yes, indeed, what a morally, economically, spiritually and politically superior system... I'm so tired of shitlib millenials and delusional zoomers talking about a glorious past that never was.
t. has relatives in the east that are still pissed at the fact their neighbours spied on them because my grandparents used to send them fricking coffee for Christmas, because you can't have neither of those: relatives on the other side of the "anti-fascist wall" AND coffee under communism, as per party resolution 9001B.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I beg to differ, slightly. Left-wing thought and religion have one big thing in common: fragmentation and infighting over how the sacred texts are to be interpreted. And that had and has a lot of explosive potential. How many heretics were burned and how many commies were killed as revisionists will likely never be known - the underlying zeal is of the same disturbing quality.

The same thing goes for every ideology. Social Democrats are seen as heretics by both libertarian capitalists and socialists. The idea of heresy isn't anything new; it's been adopted into secular politics under different vocabulary.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I think I may have found an earnest Tankie.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

I think I may have found an earnest Tankie.

Actually... that was pretty interesting how the Soviets tried to deal with the massive housing shortage, which they never truly solved. These centrally planned and executed cities came in quite handy to alleviate some of that, plus from what I know, at least the mining/industrial town-subset of these planned urban centers did function as intended:
>new coal deposit discovered
>government opens mine
>employment opportunity attracts rural rednecks and peasents
>thousands of fresh miners need housing
>big_think.gif
>let's spam concrete boxes everywhere
>house twenty thousand people in under three years
>miners are happy they don't have to sleep in the mine
Pretty pragmatic for a system that wasn't flexible enough to react effectively to changing situations.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Actually... that was pretty interesting how the Soviets tried to deal with the massive housing shortage, which they never truly solved. These centrally planned and executed cities came in quite handy to alleviate some of that, plus from what I know, at least the mining/industrial town-subset of these planned urban centers did function as intended:
>new coal deposit discovered
>government opens mine
>employment opportunity attracts rural rednecks and peasents
>thousands of fresh miners need housing
>big_think.gif
>let's spam concrete boxes everywhere
>house twenty thousand people in under three years
>miners are happy they don't have to sleep in the mine
Pretty pragmatic for a system that wasn't flexible enough to react effectively to changing situations.

Listen to his other videos are actually criticizing the USSR and saying why it collapsed and why wasn't a good system of government he seems to be the type of Russian realize that the Soviet Union f***** his country up immensely.
He probably grew up in the 70s and '80s from the way he talks in the Soviet Union knew a few people who I went to church with who from the former Easton Block

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The left truly doesn't understand the right whatsoever that's the reason that fall out comes off terribly and that people on ironically start signing with people like Caesar Mr House
.
40K fails at a parodying the right because simply every single thing they stereotypically they think as negative traits are actually positive traits that are the building blocks of civilization.

In a nutshell leftist can never truly understand the right because that would require having a concept of willing to die
Man bun Pig with piss himself if someone told him to face the wall

of facing death there's a reason that most reactionaries are Nazis when being executed have bad ass last words and leftist died pissing themselves.
It also helps that the right is highly religious so martyrdom is not a big deal and death is preferable to slavery

And if you're not willing to die for the emperor your fucking a fagt glory to the Imperium

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[The Entity]

What he doesn't seem to understand is that some of the conservatives who like 40K KNOW it's a satire and a parody.

I largerly agree with the post but I would argue with this.
Warhammer 40k in its very early iteration did indeed contain many satirical elements but through the years it has been completely eroded away.
Things like the inquisition become justified when thinking about demons can summon them into the real world and doom a whole planet.
Same thing for exterminatus, it suddenly starts making sense to nuke a whole planet when orks just regrow from spores otherwise.

running up to a monster and gutting it with his sword instead of blasting it with heavy artillery a mile away is now seen as a hero instead of being ridiculed as a lunatic.

This is what I mean. It does seem silly but it is explained that daemons can only be really hurt in close combat and that's reflected both in the story and on the tabletop.
So, nowadays when someone opens up a horus heresy book they are not really reading satire for 50+ books, they are just reading a sci-fi series.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I largerly agree with the post but I would argue with this.
Warhammer 40k in its very early iteration did indeed contain many satirical elements but through the years it has been completely eroded away.
Things like the inquisition become justified when thinking about demons can summon them into the real world and doom a whole planet.
Same thing for exterminatus, it suddenly starts making sense to nuke a whole planet when orks just regrow from spores otherwise.

That's because the authors who stuck to the satire were replaced by authors who saw the Space Marines the same way SW fans saw the Jedi. So they wrote in justifications for what the Imperium does. Even the older authors complained about that:

"To me the background to 40K was always intended to be ironic. The fact that the Space Marines were lauded as heroes within Games Workshop always amused me, because they're brutal, but they're also completely self-deceiving. The whole idea of the Emperor is that you don't know whether he's alive or dead. The whole Imperium might be running on superstition. There's no guarantee that the Emperor is anything other than a corpse with a residual mental ability to direct spacecraft. It's got some parallels with religious beliefs and principles, and I think a lot of that got missed and overwritten."

Rick Priestley, Warhammer 40K lore author and creator, in a December 2015 interview with Unplugged Games

But what Rick doesn't realize is that this straightforward approach in 40K, making the Imperium into just a dystopian version of Gondor in Space, is what gets people into the hobby. They don't really care about some manufactorum worker dying in the factory; they want to see Space Marines gut Orks or Daemons in large-scale battles.

This is what I mean. It does seem silly but it is explained that daemons can only be really hurt in close combat and that's reflected both in the story and on the tabletop.
So, nowadays when someone opens up a horus heresy book they are not really reading satire for 50+ books, they are just reading a sci-fi series.

And it makes sense. People don't really give a shit about high-falutin Marxist ideology painting people like Thatcher as Nazis, but they do give a damn about action. So of course, the later crop of authors made the Space Marines and the Imperium seem more heroic because that gets the blood pumping and it moves books. Kind of like how most Watchmen fans don't give a damn about Alan Moore's parody of how superheroes can be fascist, they just want to see Rorschach break a guy for withholding information and telling him to piss off. Instead of seeing that as bad, they saw that as cool, especially since the alternative is believing in lies and accepting a world that spits at the very concept of decency.

 

[Mumbo Jumbo]

Thoughts on that one shaun video that claims that women's sports arent actually inferior to men's sports?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-9xmpikmsBI

 

[Mumbo Jumbo]

Kek

https://youtu.be/mnklyVUCFdI

I still consider him to be the worst breadtuber out there.

 

[AskeDead]

Kek

https://youtu.be/mnklyVUCFdI

I still consider him to be the worst breadtuber out there.

learn to embed newfag

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Kek

https://youtu.be/mnklyVUCFdI

I still consider him to be the worst breadtuber out there.

Idk pal I find Xanderhal to be the worst as he is early 20s year old from a sheltered single mother household (clear Mommy issues with him dating a meth head 10 years older than him) while being extremely smug at the same time constantly begging for money because he never learned how to manage his bank account (he didn't even have a bank account during the Meth head breakup saga, he was solely using his PayPal).

 

[LeChampion1992]

Actually... that was pretty interesting how the Soviets tried to deal with the massive housing shortage, which they never truly solved. These centrally planned and executed cities came in quite handy to alleviate some of that, plus from what I know, at least the mining/industrial town-subset of these planned urban centers did function as intended:
>new coal deposit discovered
>government opens mine
>employment opportunity attracts rural rednecks and peasents
>thousands of fresh miners need housing
>big_think.gif
>let's spam concrete boxes everywhere
>house twenty thousand people in under three years
>miners are happy they don't have to sleep in the mine
Pretty pragmatic for a system that wasn't flexible enough to react effectively to changing situations.

Soviet housing was like this. They used a lot of material's in making stalinkas and kruchev blocs, and some of the better built blocs in major cities and small cities had schemes where a hundred or two hundred workers could all build their own building block. This allowed for some of the more personally built stalinkas and kruchev blocs to be nicer then some of the nicest apartments. You also tended to see these blocs in wealthier Eastern Europe and western Russia then you did in places like central Asia/Siberia.

"haha just let us ignore the totalitarian intrusion into the daily lives of the citizens, shall we, because here, have some statistics about how nafo tried to destabilize the glorious ussr"
Oh yes, let us forget about how one in ten citizens of the GDR was basically a StaSi-janny. And let us also forget all the enviromental disasters caused by the usual neglect commies have for the enviroment and the well-being of their surroundings. Also, best not talk about the roughly 900,000 people Stalin had shot because he felt like it. Yes, indeed, what a morally, economically, spiritually and politically superior system... I'm so tired of shitlib millenials and delusional zoomers talking about a glorious past that never was.
t. has relatives in the east that are still pissed at the fact their neighbours spied on them because my grandparents used to send them fricking coffee for Christmas, because you can't have neither of those: relatives on the other side of the "anti-fascist wall" AND coffee under communism, as per party resolution 9001B.

Yeah some of the ridiculous trade policies enacted by Stalin and Lenin really made zero sense. You can't have coffee because it's counter revolutionary. Kruchev did get a quasi wake up to the economic failures of Communism during the 1950s visit to the US.
It was only because kruschevs failing policies started to make waves that you see the brezhnin doctrine begin.
But then again if it wasn't for Hitler losing in WW2 the Soviet Union would have collapsed.

 

[Chandelier]

And then came Adam's "solution" to these rich yahoos building their own dream cities, which were about as pedestrian as any kid fresh off college class can get. I was laughing my ass off listening to it. He calls for public services to be placed back under government control, which sounds like a good idea until you realize that this will jack up taxes for the middle class, which would just lead to more people leaving. Adam calls for limiting the size of corporations, which will just mean that they will hire less people and leave more people poor and on the streets.

Saudi Arabia is wealthy solely because of its oil. Without it they'd still be living in tents in the desert. Their global hegemony is due to that black gold, so they have the wealth to do what they want.

The thing is, in Saudi Arabia, things ARE public funded - with petrol money. All that free education and stuff is ONLY for nationals, and those in the good graces of the royal family.

There is no middle class in Saudi Arabia. Only the mega rich, and the rest of the 81 IQ poor. Even Egypt has a history of a middle class.

Saudi Arabia isn't giving up its Wahhabism or its oil, so Adam is the token Hungarian socialite for thinking that.

Plus, in his debate with Haz and Jackson Hinkle, he stated Stepan Bandera, an actual Jew killer, was "misunderstood" compared to MTG.

Yes, those who admitted to brutally murdering Jews and Poles was a misunderstood guy.

Sultan Mahmud II ended the Janissary corps by having their headquarters bombarded with cannons. So the globohomo will nuke San Francisco then ?

The Janissaries themselves were smoked because they always posed a threat to the Sultan. They were Christian boys stolen from the Balkans under "devshirme", or a blood tax. In their later years of existence, fellow Turks could join. They refused to adapt to modern times and technology so the Sultan had them all killed.

I think it's a pseudonym but I forget her real name.

Kellie Jay Keen is her real name.

 

[Lazy Printer]

I beg to differ, slightly. Left-wing thought and religion have one big thing in common: fragmentation and infighting over how the sacred texts are to be interpreted. And that had and has a lot of explosive potential. How many heretics were burned and how many commies were killed as revisionists will likely never be known - the underlying zeal is of the same disturbing quality.

I mean their ideology is a type of religion, a "secular religion" they like to say how they are materialistic and how religion is unecessary but that kinda of behaviour just proves that humans are naturally religious and need to belief in something and taking that way will just leave a vacuum that will be replaced with something else, like marxism. We are naturally religious and need religion.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

I mean their ideology is a type of religion, a "secular religion" they like to say how they are materialistic and how religion is unecessary but that kinda of behaviour just proves that humans are naturally religious and need to belief in something and taking that way will just leave a vacuum that will be replaced with something else, like marxism. We are naturally religious and need religion.

Oh yes, absolutely. However, this is also why communism and the related nonsense always fails: it is not spiritual enough for the masses in the sense that their effort will be rewarded, either in this life or the next. It's all about some nebulous utopian society in which the individual means nothing. Every other religion in contrast talked directly to the believer, be it by the scripture handing out rules and often really good advice on how to be a good human, or be it via the 'priests' explaining details or doing what psychologists do today. In the holy texts of Marx and Lenin you will find nothing. Stalin had quippy oneliners, like that everyone had the right to be stupid and that some abused that right. And then you have materialist esoteric crap like Maoism or Juche. And it only gets much worse there...

I think the only leftist position that is somewhat spiritual is the deranged stuff Posada cooked up. You know, nuking the planet to usher in paradise and humanity joining the galactic playing field...

 

[Soyjak Enjoyer]

People play Minecraft for fun therefore if we got rid of capitalism everyone would line up to be a miner for free

https://twitter.com/UnlearnEcon/status/1645778336851918862

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

People play Minecraft for fun therefore if we got rid of capitalism everyone would line up to be a miner for free

https://twitter.com/UnlearnEcon/status/1645778336851918862

The quote a famous economist wow socialist who doesn't understand basic economics