Culture We Deserve What Star Wars Has Become - Rian Johnson’s The Last Jedi was a bold, modern interpretation of Star Wars lore that set up new heroes with new stories

There was a moment at last week’s Star Wars Celebration 2023 in London where Dave Filoni stood with the spotlight shining behind him, arena lights dimmed to create a sliver of light, and Filoni’s instantly recognisable Stetsoned shadow looming over the arena. It was reminiscent of the Phantom Menace poster, where Darth Vader’s shadow is cast behind Anakin Skywalker. Knowing Filoni’s public persona, it may well have been a deliberate choice to play out this fantasy. But even as a coincidence, it’s a tellingly poetic reminder about Star Wars’ inability to let go of its past.

I have a curious relationship with Star Wars. I watch or play most of the stuff connected to it (or, in the common parlance, consume most of its content), but have never been in love with it. I don’t have any particular horse in the race. I don’t care that Lizzo and Jack Black are in the latest episode of The Mandalorian because I remember that the third movie ends with teddy bear puppets defeating the fascists and that the musicians are called ‘jizz wailers’. It’s always been a little silly. But it can still be silly and good. What’s more, it can be silly and good and important. But right now, it’s just a mess, and we deserve it.

Star Wars conventions have been around ever since there were Star Wars. But they used to be events for looking back, with fan-favourite clips being shown, some behind-the-scenes footage, and autographs with the stars. If there were any announcements, they would be special editions of existing things, which we did see over the weekend with discussion of the 40th anniversary cut of Return of the Jedi. We had interviews and behind-the-scenes clips too, including sequences that were storyboarded using action figures, but they were no longer the draw.

You can’t make money off the past. At least, not until you find a way to sell it into the future. Star Wars, in part thanks to the fact it’s owned by Disney, is fully in the capitalist vortex of churning out every possible spin-off it can, chasing that sweet, sweet dollar. The part of this problem not directly caused by Disney is caused by the fact Star Wars’ biggest creative leads were huge fans as kids, and are now recreating that, forever. Nothing new, just the stuff that blew their minds in the ‘80s.

The Mandalorian only exists because people thought Boba Fett’s helmet was cool. Granted, we got one great series out of it, and a few other good episodes sprinkled in, but now it’s running on fumes. It can’t just be a space western, it has to link to Luke Skywalker and Ahsoka and Boba Fett. Boba has his own spin off show too, with Ahsoka’s on the way, and now we know we’re getting a ‘MandoVerse’ movie. Why does The Mandalorian need its own universe? It’s already part of the Star Wars universe. I thought the whole point was that it was its own thing that could tell smaller stories.

This is where our own culpability comes into it. Culturally, we have shown ourselves to be good little piggies consuming content on demand. Though the superhero box office dominance is waning, we have supported the creation of spin-off after spin-off, universe after universe. About 476,923 new Star Wars projects were announced or discussed during the conference, and the vast majority were continuations, spin-offs, or old characters getting to ride again. Star Wars is failing to take advantage of the world’s potential in order to appease YouTubers with stained shirts who think it’s woke that Daisy Ridley’s abs give them complex emotions.

Rian Johnson’s The Last Jedi was a bold, modern interpretation of Star Wars lore that set up new heroes with new stories and had some of the best, most layered acting the series has ever known. In the very next movie, it was all burned down so that the classic heroes could shine again. Rey went from being a nobody to being a Palpatine and then a Skywalker, only worth the viewer’s time because she has famous blood. They nepo-babied her. Now it turns out Rian Johnson’s planned trilogy is dead. Don’t worry though, Rey is getting a movie that will double down on her innate importance that only exists because of her last name.

Star Wars had a chance to be new again, to continue to blow the minds of fresh-faced fans once more. After Rogue One and The Last Jedi, it was in a place to bring in bold stories with exciting heroes. But it’s no longer interested in fresh-faced fans. It cares about middle aged dorks who remember being fresh-faced fans and now spend 20 percent of their annual earnings on Star Wars merch and desperately want their IP to remind them of the time they were fresh-faced fans. That’s who Star Wars is for now. It’s not good, but we deserve it.

 
I think it all feels like it was made by a committee where everyone's afraid of being insensitive or offensive so nobody wants to take risks.

That's closer to it, yeah-- like something put together by a group of conformist little worker bees. They don't so much create fiction as they create "content". An endless buffet of bland, room-temperature garbage.
 
There was a moment at last week’s Star Wars Celebration 2023 in London where Dave Filoni stood with the spotlight shining behind him, arena lights dimmed to create a sliver of light, and Filoni’s instantly recognisable Stetsoned shadow looming over the arena. It was reminiscent of the Phantom Menace poster, where Darth Vader’s shadow is cast behind Anakin Skywalker. Knowing Filoni’s public persona, it may well have been a deliberate choice to play out this fantasy. But even as a coincidence, it’s a tellingly poetic reminder about Star Wars’ inability to let go of its past.
I don't disagree with the sentiment of how nostalgia is killing some franchises, but Star Wars isn't a example to use this, specially Darth Vader. Darth Vader IS Star Wars, like it or not. This ain't about letting go of its past, it'd be like telling HP fans to let go Voldemort. He's the main antagonist, no matter how many other stories are created.

I'm all for new stories, but they don't want that. They want to replace the old stories and their importance with their own, due to spite or autism (or both). They don't want some new story with a new villain, they want a new Darth Vader replacing the old one, a new character that's more akin to their views and sensibilities, a total disrespect of the original character they think they're outdated. They don't want fans to read Star Wars and immediately picture Vader, but Vadette, the new Sith Lady who's black, trans, and disabled. Fuck that.
 
Has there been any case yet of a beloved movie or show getting an official continuation and that continuation being so loathed by fans that it's relegated to non-cannon drivel with the original either being left as is or replaced with a better continuation?

I can honestly see that happening with Star Wars a some point in the future.
It's a video game, but Devil May Cry comes to mind. The second game was so bad that it is completely ignored and has characters and events that have never been referenced again. They also rebooted the series after the fourth game, and the reboot was so hated that they went back to the original continuity and made DMC 5.
 
Rey went from being a nobody to being a Palpatine and then a Skywalker, only worth the viewer’s time because she has famous blood. They nepo-babied her. Now it turns out Rian Johnson’s planned trilogy is dead. Don’t worry though, Rey is getting a movie that will double down on her innate importance that only exists because of her last name.

"I don't understand the point of episodes 1-6 so I'm just going to spew nonsense".

Why the fuck did we all fall for the "we just want to be included" lines in the 90s and 00s? Why did we think "Hey you want to join in with us enjoying thos cool thing, that's great". The article is right we all got exactly what we deserved, we didn't gatekeep hard enough and now all our hobbies are a corrupted shell of their selves.
 
I think it all feels like it was made by a committee where everyone's afraid of being insensitive or offensive so nobody wants to take risks.

Yeah Slave Leia was problematic, but she was also iconic and that wasn't her whole character. She used her chains to strangle that dude. She was a woman who knew her own mind, wasn't afraid to be sexy, and interacted with the other characters in a way that felt like a real person.

Versus putting teenage Mary Sues into the story, where they're not going to get laid, they're not going to face real danger... ugh.
Not only that but many of these Mary-Sues are more or less wish fulfillment and self inserts for women like Kathleen Kennedy and the writer of this article. These are women with obvious penis envy and who can't handle real conflict. These women create characters like Rey, She-Hulk and Captain Marvel who are the best at everything and who sticks it to the men while at the same time being desired by every man they meet. What is funny is that they also expect other women to fall in line and adore their Mary-Sues when in reality women despise these characters. I've always stated that the ones who don't know what women want in entertainment are women who work in the entertainment industry.
 
Yes, Gen-Z and Millennials deserve the Star Wars they have.

I agree.
I lived long enough to see the star wars holiday special not be the worst thing lucasarts get put out.

Fuck me. I know the prequels were schlocky, but at least they had fun games around them that helped make the universe feel bigger. The Sequel trilogy just robbed us of all hope unless you ignore them entirely and instead look at the quality some writers managed to put into Legends content.
 
Can't make money off the past? Then why is Hollyweird going full out on memberberries? Troons always find new heights of retarded to climb.

You can propably trade all the characters from the new movies for a single Darth Vader figure and a burger.
 
The title was bait for the people who don't deny the sequel is shit, isn't it?
It's a video game, but Devil May Cry comes to mind. The second game was so bad that it is completely ignored and has characters and events that have never been referenced again. They also rebooted the series after the fourth game, and the reboot was so hated that they went back to the original continuity and made DMC 5.
we can't possibly do that
admitting a mistake doesn't solve anything
better double down on shitty plot contrivances and subverting expectations
there will be no burying the light deep within, there is no storm that is approaching ENJOY
 
A bunch of autistic nerd fags went out and paid to see the prequels and they got shitty Disney Stars movies with an SJW twist 10-15 years later.
The shitty prequels are what caused the new shitty movies to be made by Disney. The prequels showed that you can release anything Star Wars and the Star Wars fans will pay to see it. No matter how awful.
This is why Star Wars fans ended up with those shitty Disney movies. It's because they were willing to consume the shitty prequels. Star Wars fans have no one else to blame but themselves. If they had just stopped acting like faggots about the prequels there would be no shitty Disney movies. But instead they put on their Jedi robes grabbed their $500 Lightsaber replicas and went to the theaters to see those shit prequels.
It is the audiences fault. They went out and paid to see the shitty prequels. Which showed Lucas and Disney that Star Wars fans will consume any garbage as long as it says Star Wars.
Jesus Christ, man, you’d think Anakin went and killed your youngling for all your spergery about this.

The prequels did not cause the sequels, or break the franchise, or anything like that. If anything, they did the opposite - they provided a ton of worldbuilding and structure from which other good series could be built upon, most notably all the clone wars stuff. Many highly-praised pieces of Star Wars build on the places and things shown by the prequels. They also, for such a controversial set of prequels, managed to not fuck up the audiences view of the OT, or even slightly taint them.

If anything, the general quality of Star Wars stuff improved in the midst and immediate wake of the prequel trilogy. Battlefront. Knights of The Old Republic. Lego Star Wars, the clone wars animated series. All released around the tail end of the prequels, all extremely fondly remembered. The worst stuff, meanwhile, like Super Bombad Racing, either gained no traction at all or was rightfully mocked and still gained no traction.

They may not be good, but they're not just bland slop that people shovel into their mouths - there's so much meme potential that people have tons of fun with them.

The perception that they could do whatever the fuck they want and make money, if it even exists (it's more likely "we here at disney specifically are 'smart' and 'insightful' enough to tell the entire world what they want is wrong"), it likely comes as much if not more from the disney god complex, mixing with the activist-that-only-supports-causes-for-themselves moral complex.

If the prequels were at fault, you’d expect things to go to shit immediately afterwards, not wait like a decade and a boss change and then go to shit.

And if the prequels were at fault, you’d expect the destruction wreaked on Star Wars to be unique to Star Wars. It is not. It is, if anything, the same destruction that Disney has done to nearly every classic franchise they own, regardless of the quality of the original works.

The prequels don’t deserve the blame for the sequels. They merely deserve playful mockery.

 
There was another Star Wars cartoon that came out recently about prequel era Jedi. Basically short stories. I remember the fans being hyped for the Ahsoka stories because they all want those orange butt cheeks. But when it was all said and done it wasnt the Ahsoka episodes my friends were gushing about, it was the fucking Dooku ones. It caught my attention enough to give them a shot and...

They were good. They didnt make Dooku incompetent. They didnt replace him with the new womyn. They didnt try to prop up a dozen other failing shows with cameos and other shit. It was just a story of one of the best Jedi growing bitter and disillusioned with a corrupt government until the death of his pseudo son makes him fall.
It honestly made me wonder how good Christopher Lee could have been playing that guy in the films instead of the half baked Dooku he was given. It made me like Star Wars again

And then I saw Lizzo on the Mando show and my contempt returned full force. Star Wars isnt dead, not yet. but they keep trying to fucking kill it and they're damn close to succeeding.
Star Wars is dead. It's been dead since 1999 when Episode 1 was released. George Lucas killed Star Wars with the prequels. Disney is just picking over the corpse like a vulture. Trying to get the last bits of edible meat off the bones. But it's been dead for a while now. Anyone who pays to watch any of the new Star Wars media is part of the problem. Don't be a faggot and hate watch. Don't subscribe to Disney plus for a month just to watch a few episodes of whatever. Stop supporting garbage.

There are only 3 Star Wars movies. Go watch them and be happy. Just like there is only 2 good Terminator movies 1 really good Jurassic Park movie and 2 ok sequels. There is only 1 good Jaws movie 1 good Rocky and 1 good Rambo 1 good predator and 1 good Highlander movie.

It's just how this kind of thing is. Star Wars isn't the only movie series to have this happen to it. Look at fucking Jaws or Jurassic Park. Everyone is going to live long enough to see their favorite movies destroyed.
 
Has there been any case yet of a beloved movie or show getting an official continuation and that continuation being so loathed by fans that it's relegated to non-cannon drivel with the original either being left as is or replaced with a better continuation?

I can honestly see that happening with Star Wars a some point in the future.
Disney ain't gonna do anything like that. They'll likely ban reprinting of any Legends material instead so you can't easily access what you really want to see.
 
I don't get it either. These types of people always decide to get these glasses that look like some Boomer office worker from the mid 50's and 60's. If a woman can pick a nice looking pair of glasses they can actually look pretty hot wearing them. But not the granny glasses. I have seen female Librarians with better looking glasses. These stupid bitches just make themselves look like old women. But they act like a bunch of fucktards.
They're glasses for people who don't actually need glasses. In the 2010's glasses became "fashionable" and ALL OF THE GODDAMN FRAMES became these monstrous plastic nightmares. With fake or no lenses. Before that point nice metal frames that were subtle were the majority of frames offered at any glasses store. After? Huge chunks of garish plastic
 
Star Wars is dead. It's been dead since 1999 when Episode 1 was released. George Lucas killed Star Wars with the prequels. Disney is just picking over the corpse like a vulture. Trying to get the last bits of edible meat off the bones. But it's been dead for a while now. Anyone who pays to watch any of the new Star Wars media is part of the problem. Don't be a faggot and hate watch. Don't subscribe to Disney plus for a month just to watch a few episodes of whatever. Stop supporting garbage.

There are only 3 Star Wars movies. Go watch them and be happy. Just like there is only 2 good Terminator movies 1 really good Jurassic Park movie and 2 ok sequels. There is only 1 good Jaws movie 1 good Rocky and 1 good Rambo 1 good predator and 1 good Highlander movie.

It's just how this kind of thing is. Star Wars isn't the only movie series to have this happen to it. Look at fucking Jaws or Jurassic Park. Everyone is going to live long enough to see their favorite movies destroyed.

You can always pick and choose which parts of movie canon that you want to enjoy. Which is good because well-regarded fiction tends to be lightning in a bottle stuff, while sequels and prequels tend to be cash grabs, unless someone who knows what they're doing can build off of the earlier work. And even then, their work may be uneven because of audience pandering, or the desire to one-up earlier creators.
 
Not only that but many of these Mary-Sues are more or less wish fulfillment and self inserts for women like Kathleen Kennedy and the writer of this article. These are women with obvious penis envy and who can't handle real conflict. These women create characters like Rey, She-Hulk and Captain Marvel who are the best at everything and who sticks it to the men while at the same time being desired by every man they meet. What is funny is that they also expect other women to fall in line and adore their Mary-Sues when in reality women despise these characters. I've always stated that the ones who don't know what women want in entertainment are women who work in the entertainment industry.
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I think another factor for this is that so many of the female writers they're celebrating coming into these movies and series are "comedy" writers whose only experience is writing snarky, unfunny shit for stuff like modern SNL.
 
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I think another factor for this is that so many of the female writers they're celebrating coming into these movies and series are "comedy" writers whose only experience is writing snarky, unfunny shit for stuff like modern SNL.
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All Disney had to do was convert those amazingly 90s Star Wars comics and novels into movies.
The entire fucking roadmap was printed out of them and they chose to make a fucking annoying Mary Sue the main character.

But don't let JJ Abrhams off easy either, he's on a life long mission to cuck nerd culture.
 
Disney ain't gonna do anything like that. They'll likely ban reprinting of any Legends material instead so you can't easily access what you really want to see.
I loved the EU. Some of it was shit but there was a lot of good shit as well. Disney killing the EU took away about half of my interest in Star Wars overnight. The rest just kinda fizzled out overtime.

Jabba the Hutt, Hutt culture, Nal Hutta etc are being severely overlooked by Disney imo. If they made some series featuring the Hutts I might be assed enough to sit down and see how it goes.
 
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