Chinese Military Operations in Taiwan

Well, a full scale war would change the status quo from "live in pod, eat bugs, own nothing" at least in terms of that being government policy. Another big plus would be watching with glee as the gen z tiktok fags and trannies get drafted to go die for the zog empire in some sweaty Asian jungle.
Oh yeah the rural folk will be needed at home and will work hard to draft-ditch this time around.

I am looking forward to local industry being revitalized. You could run a business making some household items like nail clippers because the nail clipper factories in China can no longer ship goods to the americas.
 
I'll add that China has a reason to go at it now while Biden is in office. While it's unlikely that Trump will be allowed to be re-elected, potential other presidents might actually do something about an invasion.

They got until 2028 in that case. They may need to ramp up production, but bugmen can bug.
 
I don't get why westerners care so much about Taiwan when this is clearly an internal Chinese matter that doesn't affect them one bit. Not like any of you own a significant amount of nvidia stock or something. Does it matter which part of China your GPU comes from?

inb4 "need to protect democracy and muh western values"
 
They got until 2028 in that case. They may need to ramp up production, but bugmen can bug.
probably longer. I'm expecting fortified elections until the beheadings start (which will be delayed until the private security forces start losing family members)
 
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The USA will probably never elect a Conservative again, but I'm not sure Biden will rerun in 2024, it's more likely Kamala Harris will replace him, and there are good chanced the new president will be more proactive about wars for globohomo
Next president will be Nancy Pelosi
 
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You and I both know that if China invaded Taiwan, a ton of people all over the alt-web would say the war was justified, China is a deeply based/traditional society and Taiwan is being saved from itself because they allow gay marriage. I'd say this is justified.
Im suddenly pro china now.
 
Well, a full scale war would change the status quo from "live in pod, eat bugs, own nothing" at least in terms of that being government policy. Another big plus would be watching with glee as the gen z tiktok fags and trannies get drafted to go die for the zog empire in some sweaty Asian jungle.
Why are you guys so sure you'll survive
 
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There wont be an invasion, there was going to be one but the ukraine thing was like a bucket full of ice on beijing.

Right now a lot of people in the CCP are doubting they even have the capacity to pull it off because they don't trust their own weapons anymore. Some room temp IQ takes in this thread assume their gear is knockoffs from ours. Far from it, most chinese miltech is russian miltech, almost all of their naval aviation are flankers, most of their planes are derived from soviet-russian designs, most of their tanks are an adaptation of russian designs.

The complete shitshow of said equipment in ukraine has made the chinese very wary, the way they sperged out about russian propaganda about china buying the T-14 shows how fucking angry they are at the russians selling them shit weapons.

Now they are even doubting their own domestic developments like the chengu J-20 because while it has some of our stolen tech its still mostly build from what they learned from the flanker and some say its actually a stealth-ized version of the cancelled MiG-144, and really it shares a lot of similarities.

Basically no chinese weapons have been used in any major conflict, the only other country using a sizable amount of chinese aircraft is pakistan and they been using F-16s against india, not the chinese fighters which btw are a cheap for-export-only model and not the J-20 which much like the F-22 its banned from export.

Finally the chinese plain can't afford the social and economic pressure of a long protracted war and blockades like in mao's era. Their population is no longer a bunch of illiterate peasants and many are rebelling against the CCPs bullshit, see the "lying flat" movement which is sort of a MGTOW but for both genders where they stop working their asses off and go for bare minimum and minimalism instead of joining the rat race. Then there are the men who are "forced-cels" because there simple arent enough women around which is causing huge amounts of anger under the surface. Add to that all the companies that went to shit due to wall st-tier retarded investing schemes taking millions of the chinese people's money with them.
It'll happen eventually. Those chip fab capabilities are important.
There's already a plan to airlift all key assets like those ASML machines the moment an invasion starts, followed by all key taiwanese personnel deemed O-1 visa qualified. Whatever can't be shipped away from the island will be destroyed.

Of course it will take years to get similar operations going in the States, our foundries and the "new" ones being built aren't as advanced and can't do the same nodes than taiwan's does meaning that for a while we're gonna be running short of advanced chips, tho milspec ones will still be made because they dont need those absurd 3-5nm scales.
 
Why are you guys so sure you'll survive
I'm not, but I like my odds being able to bug out in the sticks where it'd be a waste of a perfectly good bomb and people already know how to survive without amenities and everyone is from the same background, a lot more than Id like my odds in an urban bughive. I just hope I survive long enough to watch my moral enemies perish.
 
I don't get why westerners care so much about Taiwan when this is clearly an internal Chinese matter that doesn't affect them one bit. Not like any of you own a significant amount of nvidia stock or something. Does it matter which part of China your GPU comes from?

inb4 "need to protect democracy and muh western values"
I care because Taiwan under China would not have the capability to continue making chips. The people who know the secret sauce will kill themselves and blow up all the factories.

Also who knows how Japan will react to it. They are the wildcard.
 
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I care because Taiwan under China would not have the capability to continue making chips. The people who know the secret sauce will kill themselves and blow up all the factories.

Also who knows how Japan will react to it. They are the wildcard.
Regarding chip factories being blown up, at most that will set things back 3-4 years until China's process catches up. Not like the loss of a few factories will plunge the world into a new dark age. Not to mention that there will be many people willing to exfiltrate information in exchange for a cushy position in the new government or some other benefits.

Don't know what Japan will do, other than try to improve relations with China because diplomacy is pretty much the only tool they have left available right now.
 
Also who knows how Japan will react to it. They are the wildcard.
You will almost certainly see article nine of their constitution (the one that says they can't have a proper military or wage offensive war) go out the window. China has been making noise about having claim to Okinawa and the rest of the Ryukyu Island chain for a while now, so it's not unlikely that the chinese will turn their attention to it if they manage to take Taiwan. Japan has also been ramping up military spending in the past decade, and can nuclearize very quickly. While it can't do anything now, it is making moves to be able to kettle the chinese in the future
 
Regarding chip factories being blown up, at most that will set things back 3-4 years until China's process catches up. Not like the loss of a few factories will plunge the world into a new dark age. Not to mention that there will be many people willing to exfiltrate information in exchange for a cushy position in the new government or some other benefits.

Don't know what Japan will do, other than try to improve relations with China because diplomacy is pretty much the only tool they have left available right now.
China has zero capability to ‘catch up’ to TSMC. This isn’t a problem solved by just throwing man power and resources into a ditch. This is a problem that requires what amounts to a Rube Goldberg machine with extreme precision. A lot of stuff in the process is only available from one or two companies, and those companies are explicitly barred from selling that stuff to China.
 
I care because Taiwan under China would not have the capability to continue making chips. The people who know the secret sauce will kill themselves and blow up all the factories.

Also who knows how Japan will react to it. They are the wildcard.

Very cute of you to think that Cryptobros can't do that and cause more damage than China, you sweet little naive summer child.;)
 
First of all, let's adress the absurdity of the notion that the only viable Chinese plan for an invasion of Taiwan is just to zerg-rush it with a million fishing boats. Taiwan is a heavily urbanised island-nation that is completely dependent on food imports. You don't need to put a single PLA-boot onto Taiwanese soil. Just blockade and wait it out, espeically considering most polling tend to show that half the Taiwanese population have pro-Chinese sentiments anyway. So expect some "military operation" to the island and do a Anschluss like scenario into the near future.
Honestly even if they did invade directly, people have some pretty major misunderstandings about how amphibious landings work. Once a beach head has been established, that's the end of the amphibious operations, and from that point on, pretty much any ship can be used to bring in more forces and equipment. Likewise, you're not really talking about a whole ton of defenders in this context. Taiwan has maybe 200,000 total forces in its military (can't find clear numbers on this). They're operating on mostly US doctrine which means of that, optimistically, 20,000 to 30,000 are actually combat arms forces. Taiwan has a coast line of 973.1 miles, so assuming the soldiers are spread evenly out, that's about 21 soldiers per mile of coast line. Obviously that's not the case, and they most likely have set garrisons which are meant to act as QRF when a beach landing is detected with no hard garrison actually fortified on the beaches themselves other than in certain locations. This means if China does do an amphibious landing, there's a solid chance that not even a shot will actually be fired during the actual landings if China manages to catch them off guard, and because Taiwan has highways right next to most of its coast line, Chinese forces could very rapidly secure a large chunk of territory before Taiwanese forces even manage to mobilize.

The mountains of Taiwan really are a bigger terrain obstacle than the beaches. If Taiwanese forces pulled back to them they likely could force China into a long drawn out fight. Odds are though if China invades, Taiwan will pull its forces back into the cities in hopes of China actually giving a fuck about collateral damage, though given the nature of insectoids, that probably wouldn't be a good idea.
 
China has zero capability to ‘catch up’ to TSMC. This isn’t a problem solved by just throwing man power and resources into a ditch. This is a problem that requires what amounts to a Rube Goldberg machine with extreme precision. A lot of stuff in the process is only available from one or two companies, and those companies are explicitly barred from selling that stuff to China.
It's not like this is arcane knowledge or something, it will take years but eventually that process will be replicated and improved by China and others. Look at nuclear weapons, it's a complex process as well, but even Pakistan has them now.

Besides, wouldn't blowing up the chip plants harm the West a lot more than China, who can't buy any of that stuff anyway? To China it will just create a vacuum for their homegrown companies to fill.

Also, it will encourage the West to do its own development and bring industry back, rather than relying on Taiwan. Sure, the average American, let's call him Jose Six-Pack, he won't be able to get a new iPhone for a few years, but at least he'll have a job making early 2000's-tier dumbphones now and proudly stamp "Made in the USA" on them. Can still shitpost on those, so I'm all good.

But hey, great idea consolidating the West's main source of computer chips to a tiny island halfway across the world that China has territorial claims on. Genius move.
 
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It's not like this is arcane knowledge or something, it will take years but eventually that process will be replicated and improved by China and others. Look at nuclear weapons, it's a complex process as well, but even Pakistan has them now.

Besides, wouldn't blowing up the chip plants harm the West a lot more than China, who can't buy any of that stuff anyway? To China it will just create a vacuum for their homegrown companies to fill.

Also, it will encourage the West to do its own development and bring industry back, rather than relying on Taiwan. Sure, the average American, let's call him Jose Six-Pack, he won't be able to get a new iPhone for a few years, but at least he'll have a job making early 2000's-tier dumbphones now and proudly stamp "Made in the USA" on them. Can still shitpost on those, so I'm all good.

But hey, great idea consolidating the West's main source of computer chips to a tiny island halfway across the world that China has territorial claims on. Genius move.
Lots of things wrong in this, but semiconductor fab is actually way more complicated than nuclear power. And it’s not just the complication: it’s the precision required, too.
 
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