Nietzsche discussion

[autisticdragonkin]

I realized that there was no thread for discussing Nietzsche and his ideas so I made one.

Personally I think that Nietzsche was very good at criticizing ideas but the big problem with his works is that they fundamentally do not advocate much in themselves and as such he is incredibly vague about what the overman morality is

 

[OtterParty]

Nietzsche was awesome but he fell victim to a weird reverse Poe's Law in which people took him way too seriously and that's why his fanbase is mainly edgelords without a cause

 

[Pikimon]

Didn't he want to have sex with his sister

 

[autisticdragonkin]

I think that "God is Dead" would be best rephrased as "Society is Dead" for the modern audience

 

[OtterParty]

Didn't he want to have sex with his sister

let me preface this statement by saying i like the idea of fucking hot sisters

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

I realized that there was no thread for discussing Nietzsche and his ideas so I made one.

Personally I think that Nietzsche was very good at criticizing ideas but the big problem with his works is that they fundamentally do not advocate much in themselves and as such he is incredibly vague about what the overman morality is

That's half the point. There wasn't morality in his system. The ubermensch has to make their own.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

That's half the point. There wasn't morality in his system. The ubermensch has to make their own.

I am unsure as to whether to consider that to be a flaw in his philosophical inquiry or not

 

[The Giver]

His philosophy of language is quite good (not surprising, given his training as a philologist), though I think much of his skeptical concerns can be addressed via a semantic theory of truth a la Tarski.

His work in aesthetics is also very good; The Birth of Tragedy is perhaps his best work of philosophy (if not literature) imho.

On the whole, his ethics is actually the least philosophically interesting portion of his philosophy to me. His main point about one's "good" being linked to the power to exercise one's will is far from new; Hobbes and Spinoza both make similar points. Of course, Nietzsche comes to different conclusions about how to maximize one's power (which is all, so far as I can tell, being an overman amounts to at the end of the day), but his main ethical approach is not novel.

The only thing novel in his ethics is his skepticism (which is properly speaking a function of his philosophy of language) and his systematic assault of the conclusions of Christian morality.

All in all, interesting cat, but not someone I find myself terribly compelled to study at great length.

 

[OtterParty]

I am unsure as to whether to consider that to be a flaw in his philosophical inquiry or not

That depends on what you think about the existence of an absolute moral standard.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

On the whole, his ethics is actually the least philosophically interesting portion of his philosophy to me. His main point about one's "good" being linked to the power to exercise one's will is far from new; Hobbes and Spinoza both make similar points. Of course, Nietzsche comes to different conclusions about how to maximize one's power (which is all, so far as I can tell, being an overman amounts to at the end of the day), but his main ethical approach is not novel.

I think that the ideas of the last man and the slave morality are the interesting part of his philosophy moreso than the overman itself or the will to power

That depends on what you think about the existence of an absolute moral standard.

How is it contingent on that at all?It would be whether you consider it lazy of him to not have spoken much on the overman or humble to have known that he did not have the answer

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

I prefer my nihilism to come from Baudrillard, who argues that the majority of violence in the world comes from the fact that we assign meaning to things that are meaningless. i/e people pay a shitload of money for diamonds that are intrinsically worth very little but are extremely expensive and fuel wars on Africa because they represent "love".

As far as Nietzsche goes, I prefer people who write about Nietzsche (Giles Deluze comes to mind) over his own writings.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

I think that Nietzsche not elaborating on the Overman morality was a feature rather than a flaw because it would have been impossible for him to describe the Overman morality because it is a series of value systems rather than a single one and is likely only describable with showing an example

 

[Ebola]

"The lie is a condition of life."

 

[autisticdragonkin]

I think the overman morality is really fundamentally about a rejection of universal altruism morality and empathy. Not egoism but just non universalism. Even white nationalists have some degree of universalism which is why they are so unwilling to claim that they are white supremacists

 

[Derbydollar]

Nietzsche was right about one thing. When you stare into the autism, it stares back at you... Half of the time with oddly misplaced eyes.
I like some quotes by Nietzsche, but my perception of his fans is that most of them are 13 year old edge-lords.

 

[Male Idiot]

I think the overman morality is really fundamentally about a rejection of universal altruism morality and empathy. Not egoism but just non universalism. Even white nationalists have some degree of universalism which is why they are so unwilling to claim that they are white supremacists

I like him, he mixes well with Lovecraft and Rick and Morty.

The rejection of altruism and empathy as a result of loss of religion is very appealing to me, for it makes perfect logical sense.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

The rejection of altruism and empathy as a result of loss of religion is very appealing to me, for it makes perfect logical sense.

There is no rejection of altruism or empathy, just advocacy of maintaining firm personal boundaries and a strong sense of self. Being altruistic only to those who you want to be altruistic to (not those who deserve it as deserving is the slave morality) and not letting the negativity of others bring you down is the core of his philosophy

 

[AnOminous]

One thing edgelords who love Nietzsche (or the idea of Nietzsche) don't seem to get is that he was not a nihilist, although he was certainly preoccupied with nihilism and its implications. One possible reaction is the "Last Man" from Thus Spake Zarathustra. While it's maybe oversimplifying, this was an obsessively developed strawman of a terrible response to nihilism, a sort of Will to Weakness.

It's ironically prophetic in that the current SJW resembles nothing more than this caricature, a self-loathing weakling trying to impose universal weakness on the world. We see a demand for a sordid sameness that uses the language of egalitarianism to demand an equality without justice. This is a group of people for whom the titanic struggle of the time is a squabble about children's cartoons.

Unfortunately, Nietzsche's fatal flaw as a philosopher, although it isn't his flaw, is that people have seen it as a justification for being monstrous, and ironically, usually people of exactly the sort he critiqued, who do not recognize their own face in a mirror.

 

[Abethedemon]

Nietzsche is cool. Wildly misinterpreted by everyone, but it seems like he's an epicurean to some degree. A lot of what he said holds up today.

 

[Fervent Champion]

Unfortunately, Nietzsche's fatal flaw as a philosopher, although it isn't his flaw, is that people have seen it as a justification for being monstrous, and ironically, usually people of exactly the sort he critiqued, who do not recognize their own face in a mirror.

I wish I could rate this winner twice for being so true. Granted today's edgelords aren't first or even the best at miss using (or rewriting) Nietzsche work, that would be is own sister after the horseback riding accident.