Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

If a discord called Thug Shaker Central brings about a Russian victory then I wouldn't be suprised if the Rapture and/or Chris' dimensional merge kicks off the next week.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

(tbh i suspect most of the people in this thread aren't exactly pro-Russian as much as being anti-New World Order or whatever it is Biden and the lying media is trying to force on us)

Biden didn't start this shit. The US has been doing the same thing to all the former Soviet states, Russia just had to draw the line with Ukraine because of that border's proximity to Moscow. The coup that installed Zelinsky happened under Obama and roots can be traced back even before him. You could even argue this has been our foreign policy strategy since the end of WWII (installing our own puppet regimes around the world for fun and profit).

 

[Betonhaus]

Biden didn't start this shit. The US has been doing the same thing to all the former Soviet states, Russia just had to draw the line with Ukraine because of that border's proximity to Moscow. The coup that installed Zelinsky happened under Obama and roots can be traced back even before him. You could even argue this has been our foreign policy strategy since the end of WWII (installing our own puppet regimes around the world).

1. Biden is currently the one pushing it despite his incompetence turning off other countries and emboldening Russia and China
2. In the past life was still pretty comfy and you could afford to live and buy a home

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

1. Biden is currently the one pushing it despite his incompetence turning off other countries and emboldening Russia and China
2. In the past life was still pretty comfy and you could afford to live and buy a home

Last I checked damn near every elected Republican is in lockstep cheering it on too. The only person who even raised an eyebrow over Ukraine shenanigans was Trump and they impeached him over it. Then he still backed down and sent more weapons.

 

[Fatniggo1488]

Western Hegemony is not perfect but it is better then China or Russia.

I always hear this cope, but it just seems like total bullshit no matter how I look at it. Modern life in the west is absolutely horrible for most actual westerners that haven't fully elected to just tune the world around them out and die quietly in their wage cages. Modern life in most non-US controlled nations is at least passable if you're actually from that country.

I can be some absolutely backwards rice farmer in rural China and be assured of things which are at best only rare privileges for the average modern white middle to upper middle class wage slave.

1. I'll probably get married and have a family
2. I probably wont be treated as a criminal for simply existing and practicing my own culture
3. I probably wont have criminals from third world countries shoved into my neighborhood
4. My kids probably aren't going to have a myriad of different mental illnesses and troon out
5. I don't have to just accept disgusting things like transsexualism as normal
6. I can largely expect to be left alone if I just try to live a normal life
7. I don't have to walk on eggshells with everyone I meet in fear they might have some rare disorder which makes me a horrible person for triggering
8. There is propaganda, but it's not aimed at making me an enemy of the people
9. Foreign languages are actually foreign
10. There's not just constant political upheaval
11. The oligarchs are at least not rootless cosmopolitans that hate me for existing
12. I can reasonably expect my children to have a better life than I did

It seems like US defenders have over time completely ignored anything which has traditionally mattered to people in favor of readily available funko pops and shitty fast food. It's honestly a dismal existence that would have made for great dystopian fiction in even some of the harshest time periods of actual western history.

 

[Meth Until Death]

Biden didn't start this shit. The US has been doing the same thing to all the former Soviet states, Russia just had to draw the line with Ukraine because of that border's proximity to Moscow. The coup that installed Zelinsky happened under Obama and roots can be traced back even before him. You could even argue this has been our foreign policy strategy since the end of WWII (installing our own puppet regimes around the world for fun and profit).

Listen dood, what happened previously has no bearing on current events whatsoever at all. Historical context is just right winger cope and if you want a proper opinion on any current thing, just listen to the experts who have been properly informed and educated on these matters.

 

[Secret Asshole]

If a discord called Thug Shaker Central brings about a Russian victory then I wouldn't be suprised if the Rapture and/or Chris' dimensional merge kicks off the next week.

I doubt it would, it might have just delayed the offensive but it probably won't make it less bloody.

Biden didn't start this shit. The US has been doing the same thing to all the former Soviet states, Russia just had to draw the line with Ukraine because of that border's proximity to Moscow. The coup that installed Zelinsky happened under Obama and roots can be traced back even before him. You could even argue this has been our foreign policy strategy since the end of WWII (installing our own puppet regimes around the world for fun and profit).

Biden absolutely started this shit. We couped Zelinsky into power as we always do. The US' closest allies negotiated with Russia in bad fait to purposefully arm Ukraine. NATO and the US kept prodding Russia, which figured it was only a matter of time before it got nukes on its border and invaded.

In order to involve NATO, we sent Boris Johnson over to urge Zelinsky to continue fighting. We then blew up the Nord Stream pipeline so that Germany wouldn't get any ideas. We then overtly shipped weapons to what is essentially a regional conflict that could have been over in a month but extended out into a year and effectively destroyed any chance at positive relations with Russia, emboldened China, promoted a Sino-Russian-Iranian alliance, alienated our closest allies in the region and saw India telling us to fuck off as the bought Russian oil before they relented with the caps.

We've also seen EU diplomats running after China to not get left behind as China is going around using its economic power for diplomacy instead of its military. While we just use our military to project private corporations, and are only able to do so because of the immense power the dollar has as a reserve currency. If anyone tells you China isn't attempting to slowly erode the dollar, don't engage, they're too stupid. There are people who simply consume the media narrative and that's it.

China has already started with Malaysia and Brazil, and both Russia and China are buying up gold and rumors are they're going to launch a currency backed to that instead of fiat. which will remove concerns about Yuan currency manipulation.

I always hear this cope, but it just seems like total bullshit no matter how I look at it. Modern life in the west is absolutely horrible for most actual westerners that haven't fully elected to just tune the world around them out and die quietly in their wage cages. Modern life in most non-US controlled nations is at least passable if you're actually from that country.

I can be some absolutely backwards rice farmer in rural China and be assured of things which are at best only rare privileges for the average modern white middle to upper middle class wage slave.

1. I'll probably get married and have a family
2. I probably wont be treated as a criminal for simply existing and practicing my own culture
3. I probably wont have criminals from third world countries shoved into my neighborhood
4. My kids probably aren't going to have a myriad of different mental illnesses and troon out
5. I don't have to just accept disgusting things like transsexualism as normal
6. I can largely expect to be left alone if I just try to live a normal life
7. I don't have to walk on eggshells with everyone I meet in fear they might have some rare disorder which makes me a horrible person for triggering
8. There is propaganda, but it's not aimed at making me an enemy of the people
9. Foreign languages are actually foreign
10. There's not just constant political upheaval
11. The oligarchs are at least not rootless cosmopolitans that hate me for existing
12. I can reasonably expect my children to have a better life than I did

It seems like US defenders have over time completely ignored anything which has traditionally mattered to people in favor of readily available funko pops and shitty fast food. It's honestly a dismal existence that would have made for great dystopian fiction in even some of the harshest time periods of actual western history.

Its a joke, there's barely any difference except China is more honest about its authoritarianism. In the US, you might not get executed or sent to a labor camp, but you are exiled to the slow death of crippling poverty and debt which is almost impossible to pull yourself out of by design.

Not to mention China fosters community more than the US ever did, which presents a cohesive society. I have to laugh when people say we have the first amendment. Oh we do? Then try to create anything without a sensitivity reader or mildly controversial. At least the government censors of China have a playbook that you can talk to them about. Here, they'll just scream about you, deliver death threats and dox your family. At least in China if billionaires fuck up they get disappeared and their assets seized. In the US they get bonuses.

EDIT:
Oh, by the by, you forgot one thing: You'll still own your own home and not be beholden to bankers, boomers or the 'market'.

 

[Dona Morte]

Biden absolutely started this shit.

Jimmy Dore has a good series of videos covering this:

Great channel to learn about China's actions is:

https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaUncensored

 

[NikocadoSlot]

Care to share? It might make up for your recent sperging.

There’s a YouTube channel I’d like to describe as a nexus around all the personalities who cover the war, it’s Радио Комсомольская Правда. Just drop that into the search bar and turn the subtitles on to translate. They interview everyone from war correspondents like Коц and Надана Фридрихсон to the infamous philosopher Alexander Dugin himself. Second to that is Мрия which I think got banned from YouTube but still exists on telegram. They’re composed mainly of Ukrainian dissidents who are anti-Kiev. They’ve even gotten pre-2014 ex Ukrainian politicians onto the show. Telegrams I sometimes go onto are Коц, Сладков+ and WarGonzo. There’s a Russian internet celebrity Дмитрий Пучков aka Гоблин you can follow on VK he sometimes talks about the war. I recall Юрий Подоляка used to do daily reports on the war but he’s definitely banned from YouTube. That’s about it basically go to Радио КП and you eventually you’ll get a whole cast of characters to follow since they will give links to them. Happy listening

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Have toilet, don't have to steal it from neighbor country.

Pressing X to doubt since you're shitting all over this thread.

Second to that is Мрия which I think got banned from YouTube but still exists on telegram.

That's a good TG channel. Thanks for the recs. It's been hard watching this unfold as I grew up with Russians, they are like family, and that's not an exaggeration. Well, like everyone said, touching grass is excellent advice, I should do so myself. But its hard.

 

[NikocadoSlot]

Pressing X to doubt since you're shitting all over this thread.

That's a good TG channel. Thanks for the recs. It's been hard watching this unfold as I grew up with Russians, they are like family, and that's not an exaggeration. Well, like everyone said, touching grass is excellent advice, I should do so myself. But its hard.

No problem. I know your pain, brother. I lived in Russia for a couple years and they were really extra nice to me. It’s damned hard to keep your mind off this when you know it’s touching the people you care about. Imma head out and touch grass. If anyone needs recs or anything translated hit me up.

 

[Narrative Collapse]

Reddit could read the police report of a man who raped a baby to death and virtue signal about how the death penalty is never justified.

Now they’re calling for this USAF nasty girl be publicly executed.

Ukraine is truly shit lib Israel.

 

[Gondolindrim]

I'm late to the party on this but my opinion on the whole leaked documents thing is thus: Literally nothing that we're seeing should be news. Anyone who was paying attention already knew we had boots on the ground, money was being laundered, and that the ukies were losing, badly. I guess the only real benefit is that now there's a paper trial.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

SO, what exactly is going on in Ukraine right now, is there some big offensive of opportunity happening?

 

[MrJokerRager]

Tucker gave his take today.

 

[Betonhaus]

I still find the price fixing of the Ukrainian currency to be super weird

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I'm late to the party on this but my opinion on the whole leaked documents thing is thus: Literally nothing that we're seeing should be news. Anyone who was paying attention already knew we had boots on the ground, money was being laundered, and that the ukies were losing, badly. I guess the only real benefit is that now there's a paper trial.

Believe none of what you see goes the old saying. Not only should the US not facilitate the deaths of Ukrainians/Russian on the pretext it avoids sending US soldiers in, because there is absolutely no reason the US should send soldiers to Ukraine in the first place

 

[Sammich]

This comes with a lot of assumptions, but bare with me some. This stupid kid is going to get fucked into the dirt, and could very possibly be looking at a death sentence. In a just world, which we will never have, and have never had, he would be protected under whistleblower laws. I can't even possibly know if he was the leaker, or if he got set up. Best thing anyone can do is get on the phone to your congressman (if you are from the us) and explain that he exposed the fact we have been lied too and this kid exposed the truth about US boots on the ground in teh Ukraine. that's all we can do, this kid did the right thing, in a very stupid backwards way.
As far as the other stuff goes, seems to be slow going.

 

[Stoneheart]

The Russians will push to the river line in days after the line around bah-muh is broken.

 

[Kane Lives]

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I still find the price fixing of the Ukrainian currency to be super weird

I have absolutely no doubt there are people taking full advantage of the US pegging the ukie hryvina to itself and cashing out on useless funny zelenskyy money for functional (for now) funny american money. Tell me if you wouldnt take full advantage of this. Must be good being a Ukrainian oligarch for the past few years.