Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Screamer_2]

ATOC is probably the prequel I seen the most. I used to watching it all the time on DVD. I would just skip the shit scenes.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

@Ghostse
I was there in 1999. I saw all the hype for TPM. My folks bought me the toys and the books. And that was after I saw the OT films, unaltered, from the VHS copies we had in the house left over from the 80s. And looking at it as a kid who saw the OT, the Prequels weren't that bad. Even after I came back and watched the OT again (they re-released it around the time ROTS was coming out) the Prequels weren't that bad in comparison. I had a fun time watching TPM again and again, to the point where my cousin (who wanted to watch The Mummy over and over again) got pissed that I was hogging the TV with the VHS player.

As for AOTC, goofy dialogue? Sure. But it was still fun; from the car chase, the dogfights, the large-scale battle, the duels, it had everything your run-of-the-mill blockbuster needed. Yoda jumping around like a goblin on meth when he was dueling Space Dracula was more than enough to make up for "I hate sand". And every scene with Christopher Lee was a treat.

And again, nothing in the Prequels justified the hate Lucas, Jake Lloyd, Hayden Christensen, or Ahmed Best got. They were fun movies for fans, and if they weren't your cup of tea, you're more than welcome to forget they exist while there were literal TONS of Star Wars content to get lost in, from the comics, to the novels, to the video games, so it's not like they were forcing Star Wars fans to like the Prequels and only the Prequels.

Heck, I know people who hated the Prequels but still liked Star Wars things like the Thrawn Trilogy or Knights of the Old Republic. Which yes, I'm more than willing to admit that they were better-written works when compared to the Prequels. The way Thrawn was handled in his eponymous novel trilogy, and the way Revan was handled in KOTOR 1 and 2, were far better than how Anakin's story arc was handled in the Prequels. So if you hated the Prequels for being sub-par SW content, there were other things that you could imbibe for SW content not written by people who think that Jar Jar is the key to everything. There was no reason to whine that Lucas raped someone's childhood, when even the Prequels were just one part of a larger Star Wars universe that had multiple eras by the time the Prequels were coming out.

 

[Ghostse]

Jake Lloyd, Hayden Christensen, or Ahmed Best

The actors getting undeserved hate? Yes.
Jake Lloyd was a fucking child, anyone who went after him his a mong.
Hayden gave the performance Lucas wanted out of him.
Ahmed just read the lines he didn't write them.

Lucas was in charge, hand-up-muppet-ass style. He ran the show and deserves the blame.
Now, did people lose their fucking minds to an unreasonable degree? Yes.
But if he hadn't given Marcelles Wallace's wife a foot massage, he wouldn't have been thrown out of a 2nd story window.

The Prequels were good movies that were executed poorly. You could reshoot the prequels with minimal changes -Mosly to dialogue becuase holy shit the man writes a great narrative but has never actually listened to human conversation and you cannot convince me otherwise - and come away with a better result.

 

[wholetthegodsout]

I think the rey movie is going to happen and thats partly because Daisy has no career. This is pretty much it so she better let disney back up the money dump truck at least one more time. I also think the story of rebuilding the jedi is a natural story to do. It sort of writes itself to certain extent. Rey goes around recruits young kids to join her school. Sort of an x-men vibe to the story, it can also take place again on the outer rim and disney can avoid showing the state of the galaxy yet again.

I am sceptical about the james mangold one getting made. Seems risky as hell and the origins of the jedi should at least have some mystery imo.

Also no one ever said these movies had to come to theaters. They may just drop the mando crossover one on disney plus

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Lucas was in charge, hand-up-muppet-ass style. He ran the show and deserves the blame.
Now, did people lose their fucking minds to an unreasonable degree? Yes.
But if he hadn't given Marcelles Wallace's wife a foot massage, he wouldn't have been thrown out of a 2nd story window.

That's the point-the word "blame" implies that some great evil was done here. There was not. The Prequels were fun movies with some great concepts that could've been handled better in the hands of other writers like Drew Karpyshyn or Timothy Zahn, but taken as they are, they're not that bad, and they do the job well of explaining how things got to the way they were when the OT began. Why the Empire had so many supporters and why it believed that ruling through fear is right, why the Jedi are down to just two guys hiding like rats, and who the Sith are outside of just palette-swapped Jedi acting like dicks.

 

[Screamer_2]

Jake Lloyd was a fucking child, anyone who went after him his a mong.

It's hard to even remember the state of the internet back in the late 90s. Where ever I was online that dealt with leaks and stuff about TPM. I always remember a really interesting one. Someone commented about the kid being a terrible actor. Unremarkable. There were plenty of things said that were not true. What always stood out to me was someone(s) responses the defend Jake as a really sweet and nice kid. Telling the person off for speaking badly of him.

Where the nature of the response stood out as someone that also must have known and was running defense and protection for Jake. Not challenging the claim he wasn't a good actor, but just how he was a good kid and how dare anyone criticise him. It just stood out.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I think the rey movie is going to happen and thats partly because Daisy has no career. This is pretty much it so she better let disney back up the money dump truck at least one more time. I also think the story of rebuilding the jedi is a natural story to do. It sort of writes itself to certain extent. Rey goes around recruits young kids to join her school. Sort of an x-men vibe to the story, it can also take place again on the outer rim and disney can avoid showing the state of the galaxy yet again.

I am sceptical about the james mangold one getting made. Seems risky as hell and the origins of the jedi should at least have some mystery imo.

Also no one ever said these movies had to come to theaters. They may just drop the mando crossover one on disney plus

As mentioned earlier, the Jedi Knight games are the good version of rebuilding the Jedi story. We also know that Disney Wars will bungle it because they hire people capable of writing High Republic and other such garbage.

 

[Übertroon]

ATOC is probably the prequel I seen the most. I used to watching it all the time on DVD. I would just skip the shit scenes.

I remember liking Attack of the Clones because Kamino and Geonosis were interesting worlds, I liked the concept of the Separatists, and I played a lot of the video game made as a prequel to the movie

The superior mandalorian story

 

[Sneed F91]

Fuck the people who shat on him for playing JarJar back in the day.

According to Best the fans were kind to him. The media, the same ones calling SW fans racist sexist incel nazis nowadays, shat all over his performance as Jar Jar, then called him and Lucas racists. Then they called TPM racist and problematic like the SJW retards they are.

I think the rey movie is going to happen and thats partly because Daisy has no career.

If movies got made because of actors having dead careers there would be a hundred times more Hollywood movies made all the time lmao. If she were smart she'd pick whatever roles were available to wash off the stink of Star Wars. Going back to being MaRey Sue again is a mistake. Even Mark Hamill did shit like go on Broadway before being a voice actor.

Rey goes around recruits young kids to join her school.

I'd like to see her do that, considering she has no real Jedi training (other than reading some books), and acts like a massive bitch who lashes out at everyone for no reason.

Which was not terrible but it was definitely, definitely was not the shit we'd been hyped up to get ever since the Special Editions two years previous.

I think the older fans who were there for the OT expected something more grown up and badass. Instead they got something awkward and childish that looked nothing like the old movies. I'll say George was smart for attempting to aim the prequels at the young kids of the time. When you pander to adults you get stuff like the sequels, which had zero kid appeal outside of like BB-8 or something. That's not how you build a new fanbase.

 

[Ghostse]

Where the nature of the response stood out as someone that also must have known and was running defense and protection for Jake. Not challenging the claim he wasn't a good actor, but just how he was a good kid and how dare anyone criticise him. It just stood out.

He's a literal child, he's not going to be Anthony Hopkins.
Again, he's a child doing what the adults were telling him to. Any blame for him not being great on the screen flows right up the adults, and finalizes at Lucas, the adult at the top of the pyramid.

If he wasn't the kids Lucas wanted, he had the money and creative control to find one who was.

 

[Sneed F91]

If he wasn't the kids Lucas wanted, he had the money and creative control to find one who was.

Jake Lloyd was exactly who George wanted. There was one other kid I thought was better in the auditions but he didn't play the role the way George wanted him to.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

ATOC is probably the prequel I seen the most. I used to watching it all the time on DVD. I would just skip the shit scenes.

Attack of the Clones is in my top 3 films of the saga. I've probably watched that film's final act on Geonosis more times than any other sequence in the series.

Funnily enough, when it comes to the romance scenes, the part my friends and I used to meme regularly at school wasn't even "I hate sand"...it was the "I'm sorry" that Anakin does at the end of that scene. The line delivery and the awkward manner in which he looks away is on the same level of Detective Phelps puckering up and going "I might have made a mistake" in LA Noir. It's just so unintentionally funny.

 

[Ghostse]

I'll say George was smart for attempting to aim the prequels at the young kids of the time.

Because if there is anything kids love, it is meetings about taxation and senate rules lawyering.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Because if there is anything kids love, it is meetings about taxation and senate rules lawyering.

Kids just ignored those scenes. I know I did when I was a kid. Those scenes were for the few grown-ups listening in to figure out how the Republic slowly became the Empire.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

AOTC looks like it's smeared in Vaseline. I'm offended by how ugly it looks. It's better than ROTS, though.

Still can't understand why Great Value Keira Knightley isn't able to get work. Is it the coke habit? Is she a bitch? There's so much crap being made these days that it has to be statistically impossible for a well-known actor under 30 in their early 30s to not get consistent work. (Holy shit she's 31!)

 

[Übertroon]

Kids just ignored those scenes. I know I did when I was a kid. Those scenes were for the few grown-ups listening in to figure out how the Republic slowly became the Empire.

Best part is the people complaining about the taxes and trade federation part has no idea why it's happening.
If you go back and listen to the red letter media review for the Phantom Menace they're dumbfounded as to why Palpatine would be staging a false flag attack upon Naboo to garner sympathy from the senate. They don't understand what the Trade Federation is getting out of it even though the movie explains it in the opening crawl, they conquer Naboo with ease, then easily block any attempt at action from the senate. It's like they read "taxation of trade routes" and their eyes roll into the back of their heads.
Funny thing is that 10 years later with the release of the first tv season of Game of Thrones nerds love that shit and wouldn't stop praising George 'What was Gondor's tax policy" Martin

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Best part is the people complaining about the taxes and trade federation part has no idea why it's happening.
If you go back and listen to the red letter media review for the Phantom Menace they're dumbfounded as to why Palpatine would be staging a false flag attack upon Naboo to garner sympathy from the senate. They don't understand what the Trade Federation is getting out of it even though the movie explains it in the opening crawl, they conquer Naboo with ease, then easily block any attempt at action from the senate. It's like they read "taxation of trade routes" and their eyes roll into the back of their heads.

Exactly. Not to mention that the bad guys were called the TRADE FEDERATION. As in, they're basically Space Amazon. They rely on trade to keep their business up. The government passed taxes on trade routes, which would naturally kill their business, so they got pissy about it and blockaded a rich planet in protest, and the Jedi were sent there to mediate and discuss an end to the blockade. The Trade Federation guys were about to concede, until Sidious told them to grow a spine and invade, promising that the Senate won't do anything about it. It would've worked, but Jar-Jar told the Queen that the Gungans have a Grand Army of their own. So she went back home to recruit this army and use it against the Trade Federation.

As a kid, you didn't need to know this, all you needed to know was some aliens and their robot army were shitting up some beautiful planet ruled by a nice queen, and the Jedi were there to stop them. But as an adult, it's so easy to understand that RLM are fools for not realizing it.

Funny thing is that 10 years later with the release of the first tv season of Game of Thrones nerds love that shit and wouldn't stop praising George 'What was Gondor's tax policy" Martin

Funny enough, GRRM never discussed what Westeros' tax policy was. So the crap he blamed on Tolkien, he never solved himself. The most we got was that Robert managed to spend the country into debt despite the Mad King leaving a full treasury behind right before he tried to nuke his capital. You'd think maybe King Robert Baratheon would be taxing Westeros like hell because he's 6 million gold dragons in debt, while Tywin Lannister wouldn't be taxing them that much since he owns most of the gold in Westeros and just married his grandson to the house that owns the most grain, meaning that he wouldn't have to tax farmers on gold or grain that much.

That would've been interesting to see, where the aristocratic good guys see Robert as good and Tywin as bad because Robert was friends with Ned and Tywin had children killed, but then you'd see peasants and middle-class merchants prefer Tywin over Robert because he doesn't strangle them with taxes nor does he spend the treasury's wealth like crazy. But GRRM would rather write about Dany getting diarrhea rather than talk about how each faction's tax policy affects the lower classes and their popularity amongst said lower classes.

 

[God of Nothing]

Best part is the people complaining about the taxes and trade federation part has no idea why it's happening.
If you go back and listen to the red letter media review for the Phantom Menace they're dumbfounded as to why Palpatine would be staging a false flag attack upon Naboo to garner sympathy from the senate. They don't understand what the Trade Federation is getting out of it even though the movie explains it in the opening crawl, they conquer Naboo with ease, then easily block any attempt at action from the senate. It's like they read "taxation of trade routes" and their eyes roll into the back of their heads.
Funny thing is that 10 years later with the release of the first tv season of Game of Thrones nerds love that shit and wouldn't stop praising George 'What was Gondor's tax policy" Martin

Palpatine's plan is one of the best things in Star Wars because it's actually ingenius.
>Get elected via pity and meritocracy with some backroom dealings of course
>Give a wild card exactly what they want in return for the end results being exactly what you want
>Take advantage of preexisting unrest or create it to manufacture a civil war
>Have both sides use a resource-draining method of warfare they wouldn't protest to for moral or ethical reasons
>As the situation gets more dire in every way possible, just wait for other people in power to give more to you in hopes of fixing it
>Get permanent emergency power when things are in the absolute shitter to roaring applause from the ignorant masses
>Destroy the controlled opposition and enjoy an almost completely obedient empire grateful that the fighting you caused is over
then the rebels fucked everything up and we got the sequel trilogy
creamy sheev palpatine please come back one more time

 

[Bulk Bogan]

But GRRM would rather write about Dany getting diarrhea rather than talk about how each faction's tax policy affects the lower classes and their popularity amongst said lower classes.

And that's because GRRM has no idea how to write peasants. The non-nobility is essentially made up of human-form cattle that the nobility and the few actual humans born among their shambling ranks manipulate at will and can safely ignore unless another human is rabble rousing. It really, really stands out as a flaw once you start paying attention to it. For all his bluster about Tolkien not writing about commoners he has no fucking clue how to write people that aren't the great and the beautiful. Meanwhile, Sam's the protagonist of LotR and he's about as peasant as you can get, and whichever Hobbit goes to Minas Tirith with Gandalf makes friends with a commoner guard and his commoner son.

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

Attack of the clones and the phantom menace could have definitely fit into the first 30 minutes of the prequel trilogy, then have the rest be the interesting part with the neat CGI CLONE TROOPERS without coolosee donutsteel and her faggot glowstick wielding friends stealing all the droid kills. Jedi are supposed to be “one in a million” rare and essentially extinct by the time of ANH. Not common enough for there to be a jedi general for every planet in the galaxy.

Filoniwars had nothing like Captain Fordo’s rescue on hypori and im so sick of all this caveman weaponry (bows, melee weapons) and ancient hokey religions being hyper aggressively propagandized as being better than a good blaster at your side.