Are we being indoctrinated that revenge is bad?

HodgePodgeRogerDodger said:
Revenge as a concept is basically justice, but perverted. Justice is typically based upon retribution, however over time people realized that’s a poor principle to base Justice entirely on.

Revenge becomes an issue when it becomes a blood feud or vendetta. Typically revenge killings are the norm in a lot of the world, but it always depends on for what? The Bible, Hammurabi’s Code, and a lot of Ancient Law/ Religious Texts detail fines and damages for murder/ accidental death or maiming.
Western Society really gives favor to the accused, very much in the US where intent and finding intent is most of the case. The issue comes in when society forces people to forgive (and later pay to keep them alive in prison.)

Fuck, I think life in prison is cruel. If a guy kills more than 3 people and went in with intent to kill or willfully endangered people like during a robbery than yeah, fuck ‘em. Shit like a Revenge Killing for shit like the Hi-Fi Killings, Junko Furata, Spree killer mass shooters, or serial rapists is a case where I can see it as actual Justice.

Revenge is bad, but people taking the law into their own hands is really flawed. I think it’s pussy shit to not fight for yourself. Forgiveness is for the ignorant, not the scared.

EDIT: Darrell Brooks should of just been executed after the trial. That dude is the ideal for a death penalty. Just an unrepentant asshole more worried about himself than those he wronged.
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I think that if a crime is worth putting someone in prison for life it's worth executing them over, and if not they don't need to be in there. Most people are dramatically oversentenced - tearing decades away from people's lives and calling it justice and merciful - but if you can prove to the highest standard that someone did something like murder, appropriate to liquidate them, and the only reason that's slow and expensive is because of active interference from those segments of society that dont' want the death penalty at all.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
So getting to the point, is the idea that revenge being bad is being forced on us for a reason?
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You're conflating justice and revenge. The two are distinct, but to your point, it's a Christian thing. The Christian faith tradition discourages and condemns acts of revenge, partly because forgiveness, which we Christians are encouraged to practice even for the sake of those who would hurt or kill us, is an expression of love, and partly because revenge damages the social fabric, that which holds us together. The Irish Troubles, for example, were a centuries-long causal chain mainly fueled by tit-for-tat acts of revenge, not religious differences.

Watch Alan Clarke and Danny Boyle's short film, Elephant, available on YouTube. That's revenge in a nutshell.
 
It's all part of the ongoing (((globalist))) humiliation ritual perpetrated on the Western world. In a functional and just state individual enactment of revenge would effectively never be needed as the state would earnestly try to apprehend any perpetrator as swiftly as possible and provide justice on behalf of the aggrieved. Unfortunately none of us live in such a state, in fact for many of us the opposite is true - to a greater or lesser degree we live in states where niggerworship is the state religion and where extensive faggotization of children is a mandatory part of state education.

What a human forced to endure such inhuman conditions should do for their own sanity and happiness is to minimize contact with the toxic state system and its enforcers ( both paid in the form of government employees/police/military and unpaid in the form of demoralized subhumans ). If all else fails and one falls victim to sufficiently egregious offenses one must always remember the example of Saint Leon Gary Plauché.
 
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Revenge destroys, simple as, I agree revenge is a form of justice albeit a perverted one, and what others think of as justice is just a perverted from of revenge in of itself but even when it's when its carried out, as a corrective action to punish others for the wrong's they've inflicted on others. Even if said revenge is achieved the loss and pain from the action thats been caused by said criminal who's wronged you isn't erased. Even if you get your'e revenge and find an immense sense of satisfaction from said act the damage that has been done will still be there. If you obsess about getting revenge and make it your whole reason for existence then even if you get it what will there be left. Upon victory that hidden pain may surface again and you'll be left with nothing after that. It won't guarantee a satisfactory life after that victory. Honestly It's not worth it, simply put:
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Guts puts it best.
 
I think revenge should be differentiated from protection and punishment. Defending yourself or others from unjust aggression shouldn’t be seen as revenge, and neither should the legal punishment of fairly convicted criminals. Revenge takes justice into your own highly fallible hands, and is without supervision, due process, or immediate necessity.

The real challenge is to stand up for what’s right and serve the needs of justice, even with force if necessary, while at the same time rise above personal vindictiveness or worse, hatred of a person.
 
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Lemmingwiser said:
Any call to action to genuinely do something worthwhile or think about something worthwhile is regarded as "glowie topics".

Quite possibly the best psyop since the meme of "conspiracy theorist".
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Dafuck does "glowie" even mean?

I mean I think I got the idea from context, but then I thought the same thing about other terms that turned out to mean something different. And "Glowie" sounds like what you'd call like, a light-up squid plush.
 
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thegooddoctor said:
Even if you get your'e revenge and find an immense sense of satisfaction from said act the damage that has been done will still be there. If you obsess about getting revenge and make it your whole reason for existence then even if you get it what will there be left. Upon victory that hidden pain may surface again and you'll be left with nothing after that. It won't guarantee a satisfactory life after that victory.
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Ah, so because you don't get to enjoy it, that means there was nothing worthwhile in it.

Yeah, I understand. I should really let this unrepentant murderer go and maybe kill more people because I mean, if I don't get to feel good, what's the point? The whole idea of preventing him from creating more victims sounds like a whole load of Not My Problem.
 
The Last of Us Part II getting showered with awards, does make it seem like the "REVENGE BAD" ideal is getting pushed.
 
Revenge is generally a very long form of murder-suicide. You should only do it if you have nothing left and the crime was heinous enough. Typically something that will horrify generations to come, something that causes parents to freeze when they explain it to their children.

My Great Grandfather used to tell me about how some guy in the old country butchered a Police Captain/ Sherriff and his family because the Police Captain was effectively robbing people and forced the guy to quarantine people with Small Pox or something on his property. Supposedly the guys entire family basically died and the guy went into debt during that time so the Captain/ Sherriff basically stole it. Guy went nuts and burned down the Police Station then shot the family and then dragged the Sherriff through the town on a horse and let him bleed out.
I have no clue why he told me this, I was like 5 and he saw me shoplifting cookies.
 
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Well, yes, but actually, no.

You have to remember that there are very smart people and there are very dumb people, and pulling off a proper revenge is often too complicated for the dumb people unless they get lucky. But the dumb people often don't know that they're dumb, so you can't just go "revenge is bad unless you're smart enough to pull it off." You just push that "revenge is bad" and let the smarter people figure out the exception (and if they can't, they likely have logic blind spots that will get in the way of pulling off revenge)
 
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Yes.
Forgiving people who wrong you doesn't accomplish anything. Really, you're just giving them the go ahead that it's okay to keep doing that shit. If it's not you, someone else is going to do it to them. Revenge baaad is so utterly brain dead. Dig two graves? Our ancestors dug entire graveyards to keep things from escalating into murder-suicide. They weren't retarded. It's only now when violence is heavily discouraged do people listen to revenge baaaaad. Reality is the price of pursuing vengeance is now too great because society punishes it.
What I find pathetic is the moral argument against it rather than the fact it's just chaotic and destructive. How is revenge any different than fighting an enemy? The outcome is never clean. Why do we pretend conflict must be completely just when it almost never is?

TL;DR: When did everyone become such pussies?
 
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Betonhaus said:
Well, yes, but actually, no.

You have to remember that there are very smart people and there are very dumb people, and pulling off a proper revenge is often too complicated for the dumb people unless they get lucky. But the dumb people often don't know that they're dumb, so you can't just go "revenge is bad unless you're smart enough to pull it off." You just push that "revenge is bad" and let the smarter people figure out the exception (and if they can't, they likely have logic blind spots that will get in the way of pulling off revenge)
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I'd be more afraid of a dumb person seeking revenge than smart one. A smart one will try to make a complicated revenge thay falls apart quickly by random chance. A stupid person will just walk to me with a gun.
BeepBoopBeepBoop said:
Revenge is generally a very long form of murder-suicide. You should only do it if you have nothing left and the crime was heinous enough. Typically something that will horrify generations to come, something that causes parents to freeze when they explain it to their children.

My Great Grandfather used to tell me about how some guy in the old country butchered a Police Captain/ Sherriff and his family because the Police Captain was effectively robbing people and forced the guy to quarantine people with Small Pox or something on his property. Supposedly the guys entire family basically died and the guy went into debt during that time so the Captain/ Sherriff basically stole it. Guy went nuts and burned down the Police Station then shot the family and then dragged the Sherriff through the town on a horse and let him bleed out.
I have no clue why he told me this, I was like 5 and he saw me shoplifting cookies.
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Shame on the family but that's pretty metal. He didn't dig two graves, he dug a graveyard.
 
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skykiii said:
Dafuck does "glowie" even mean?

I mean I think I got the idea from context, but then I thought the same thing about other terms that turned out to mean something different. And "Glowie" sounds like what you'd call like, a light-up squid plush.
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Glowie is vernacular for someone in the intelligence community, particularly CIA. This comes from saint Terry Davis, who wrote the divine temple OS. You can find more about him in the inactive subforum, as he's ascended to heaven.

He called them glowniggers and that they glow in the dark. Glowies refers to CIA usually, but sometimes broader to also include FBI or other secret agents.
 
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In videogames maybe, hollywood still loves their revenge porn like john wick where some dude commits a small genocide to avenge a fucking dog, but its cool because they are all russians and thus subhumans ("but we're not nazis so its not racist" says the neolib). Same with taken and other movies, and then people are surprised when the shut-in that watches these movies all day decides its payback time.

I would add the growing genre of race and gender-based revenge flicks to the list, totally not gonna cause any consequences whatsoever by glorifyng what amounts to balkan-style "justice", trust me.
Dyn said:
Yeah so there was this guy called Jesus who pretty strongly advocated it, and his ideas shaped the culture you're living in to the point that we rely on them for almost all of our moral guidance, so yeah, I have no idea why our media would be promoting that kind of thing.
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Christianity its culturally irrelevant in the west and openly reviled in media, so nope.
 
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