Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[starborn427614]

Gideon is such a fun bastard to hate. I wonder if Thrawn is going to pop up and chase him off in the finale. They're not exactly being subtle about it.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

It must be awesome working at Lucasfilms these days, you can fuck up how much you want and Kathy will get the blame for everything. Dont get me wrong, this woman is a major contributing factor to the shitshow we are in but stop fucking pretending that she is the only one, damn it.

You have to be stupid to solely criticize Kennedy for the fuck ups Disney Lucasfilm has done. Sure, I would criticize Iger since he’s the head coach of this shitshow, but you also have to criticize Abrams and Johnson for making shitty movies that fucked up the lore.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Disney seems to be convinced that if they wait long enough, the Sequels will become just as beloved as the prequels. Which is fucking nonsensical because the prequels have a lot of good parts that resonate today, the sequels were dated immediately.

Yea, people kinda hate the sequels more now that time has passed, when it was pretty much the inverse for the prequels, even if the PT was pretty flawed.

@The handsome tard

The sequel trilogy tells a tale of...nothing ever lasting or meaningful.

Not even that. The ST said that nothing matters. It didn't matter what Rey went through; she was always going to be a strong Jedi by default. It didn't matter what Kylo went through since he reverted back to his original whiny self. It didn't matter what Finn went through because his potential sacrifice was wasted and his existence was wasted for the rest of the trilogy. Same for Poe. It didn't matter what Luke went through because the Sith managed to rise up again suddenly in bigger numbers for some reason and do more damage. And, he's even more powerful dead now.

Nothing matters anymore.

You can also see Josh doing some of it in his cut of Justice League (tho there it really exposes just how much his humour is used as a writing crutch instead of actually adding anything). Its just dated and tired nowadays.

Honestly, I think Whedon intentionally sabotaged Justice League with his humor and storytelling, because 1) the movie was already in a bad place production-wise and story-wise and 2) before the film's theatrical release, he criticized his Steppenwolf as a poor villain, and basically took $100 million from Warner Bros. to give them shit and make them lose even more money.

 

[Heckler1]

but you also have to criticize Abrams and Johnson for making shitty movies that fucked up the lore.

It still baffles me how bad Rian shit the bed with his film, and how retarded JJ was to not set up any kind of story outline for director's moving foreword. Rian could have just did his job and make a Space Opera film, but he decided he wanted to make a snarky meaningless slough that hated itself.

 

[The handsome tard]

Honestly, I think Whedon intentionally sabotaged Justice League with his humor and storytelling, because 1) the movie was already in a bad place production-wise and story-wise and 2) before the film's theatrical release, he criticized his Steppenwolf as a poor villain, and basically took $100 million from Warner Bros. to give them shit and make them lose even more money.

The Snyder Cut did show there is a decent movie buried underneath (altho even at its best , it still suffers from the fact it was unnaturally rushed into production from a highly incompetent group of suits who had no idea of what they were doing and had no faith in any consistent vision whatsoever).

Tho it wouldnt also surprise me if you are right and Whedon clearly didnt give much of a shit and simply wanted an excuse to gain 100 million bucks and abuse the shit out of the actors ("I mean, what are the chances they might come out at once against me, inspiring others I mistreated in the past to do the same and thus start a chain reaction that will be the downfall of my career? Prff")

Doesnt change the fact that his brand of humor aged poorly and legit is a cultural poison.

It didn't matter what Finn went through because his potential sacrifice was wasted and his existence was wasted for the rest of the trilogy.

Its funny, because, you see, I played a lot of Telltale games back in the day (including the one about yours truly) and a patern you notice with characters that CAN die in an episode depending on your decisions is that, programming wise, they are suppose to be dead.

What I mean with that is that, if they are alive, you will notice they will barely have an impact in the story afterwards (only at best having a couple of lines and small but non consequential interactions). And with the ocassional exception, they will always die further down the line (most of the times their deaths being argurably as inconsequential). So

Really feels like Finn is one of those characters. He was suppose to die in TLJ a hero to the Resistance but he was "saved" and now his character has no more impact because his major contributions have ended when he was suppose to die. Tho in Telltale's case, they did what they did because to make sure all determinant characters had major contributions would possibly lead to far too many variables to work with with the type of game they were making (I dont like it but I understand why its done).

Rise of Skywalker has no understandable explanation for this except they simply didnt know what to do with his character anymore (in fact, they never did)

It didn't matter what Luke went through because the Sith managed to rise up again suddenly in bigger numbers for some reason and do more damage. And, he's even more powerful dead now.

Its not even that, necessarily. Its the fact he hasnt done jack and shit about it. Legends Luke was always at the front lines and, when not, always serving as a leader/master to the ones doing so. The sith being back isnt the problem, its the fact that he gave up when they did do.

Even Mark Hamill knew Luke wouldnt give up that badly, maybe mourn for a month or two but eventually he would realise that his lack of action is costing MORE innocent lives and he has to do something about it asap.

But then again, not have Luke with his new Jedi order was a fatal writing mistake. All they needed is have Luke and some knights arriving at Starkiller base and force Kylo to retreat after defeating Rey and Finn (but then again, I fell into the trap of wanting to re-write the Sequel Trilogy multiple times, its a good creative exercise I guess but it all it ultimately serves is to see how creatively shallow the real thing is)

 

[Screamer_2]

It still baffles me how bad Rian shit the bed with his film, and how retarded JJ was to not set up any kind of story outline for director's moving foreword. Rian could have just did his job and make a Space Opera film, but he decided he wanted to make a snarky meaningless slough that hated itself.

I still think the lack of story and outlines is bullshit and cope to explain Rian shitting the bed hard. Multiple people, including the lead actress, the editors of TFA /TROS and JJ himself have said otherwise.

The issue was getting some round headed cunt with no interest in telling chapter two of someone elses story to make a stand alone film based of elements of a film that was being made/rewritten/reshot while he was writing it.

 

[Sneed F91]

I still think the lack of story and outlines is bullshit

I don't. These movies were so rushed they were too busy trying to film them to cooperate and tell a coherent story. Abrams and Kasdan re-wrote TFA on set and Rian wrote like 5 drafts of TLJ while shooting it because the story didn't work. You have to understand the people who made these movies struggled to understand what Star Wars even was in the first place.

JJ himself have said otherwise.

JJ "Khan is not in Star Trek Into Darkness" Abrams is pretty fucking unreliable when it comes to planning out everything. He's never planned out anything in his entire career.

You have to be stupid to solely criticize Kennedy for the fuck ups Disney Lucasfilm has done. Sure, I would criticize Iger since he’s the head coach of this shitshow, but you also have to criticize Abrams and Johnson for making shitty movies that fucked up the lore.

They're trying to do what they did back in the day where they blamed Lucas for ruining everything. Since everything in Disney Wars is by-committee you can't just point the finger at one person anymore, but they don't realize this.

 

[Ghostse]

When you put it like that it's interesting Gen-X didn't turn their noses up at Star Wars in the first place because of how intentionally corny and unrealistic it was. It's different when a story winks at the audience from the very start compared to one that never did and plays it straight the entire time.

Part of it was Star Wars was out when they were young, so it got an exemption due to nostalgia. The other part was Lucas doing his thing of building a grand narrative - if you cared about Star Wars there was pay off.

You could make the trope-filled media product of all time, and if you do it WELL no one will care.

The Snyder Cut did show there is a decent movie buried underneath (altho even at its best , it still suffers from the fact it was unnaturally rushed into production from a highly incompetent group of suits who had no idea of what they were doing and had no faith in any consistent vision whatsoever).

I only saw the Snyder Cut and the problem I had was it was too much movie for stupid capeshit.

 

[The handsome tard]

I only saw the Snyder Cut and the problem I had was it was too much movie for stupid capeshit.

indeed but they had to cram individual character traits and arcs that should have been setup in their own solo movies so I wont hold it against it in this particular case. *shrugs*

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Gideon is such a fun bastard to hate. I wonder if Thrawn is going to pop up and chase him off in the finale. They're not exactly being subtle about it.

I can imagine him being five seconds away from winning, then Thrawn, or someone working for Thrawn, shows up to kill him, turning the tide for the Mandos and displaying that the Dark Side always turns on itself.

 

[anti SJW]

 

[Sneed F91]

indeed but they had to cram individual character traits and arcs that should have been setup in their own solo movies so I wont hold it against it in this particular case. *shrugs*

I will. They wanted to be the MCU so badly but didn't have the patience for it, and the MCU isn't even that great anyways. They wanted to rush to an Avengers movie without the setup the MCU had before the first Avengers. I hate how everything is just trying to be the MCU, Star Wars included.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

Abrams and Kasdan re-wrote TFA on set and Rian wrote like 5 drafts of TLJ while shooting it because the story didn't work. You have to understand the people who made these movies struggled to understand what Star Wars even was in the first place.

The issue with the sequel trilogy seemed to be there was little to no coordination. Rian Johnson was writing TLJ while TFA was filming. Fuck, Colin Treverow was writing movie #3 while TFA was in post-production (if not earlier).

I think Rian asked JJ to end his movie on that island, with the lightsaber bit, but that was it. He wanted to start his movie with a flip of a lightsaber. (And I guessa yo mama joke.) Rian supposedly cut like 3 hours out of TLJ. There was too much movie (which, why not edit before you shoot?).

And let's not forget that Colin Treverow had written a draft (a version of which has leaked) which supposedly brought Daisy to tears upon reading it. But one of his movies doesn't do as well as the first reboot of Jurassic Park, and he's yanked (and whatever other politics were happening). Reading Colin's script, which did try to tie up the trilogy, it was still thematically different from the other two.

But it's tough to coordinate when you're writing scripts before movies are complete, making concept art, casting even, because Disney needed an every other year schedule (unlike George's every third year schedule, which allowed for a single helmer). Given that timetable, it's even tougher to coordinate when you're writing 1-2 movies in the future.

I don't forgive any of these chucklefucks for this, but the schedule was Eiger's fault ultimately, and also Alan Horn's and Kennedy's.

 

[Sneed F91]

I think Rian asked JJ to end his movie on that island, with the lightsaber bit, but that was it.

Nope, that was JJ and Kasdan. JJ was going to have Luke floating rocks like Rey in TROS, but Rian asked him not to so it would fit with TLJ. That's it as far as I know.

which supposedly brought Daisy to tears upon reading it.

That means absolutely nothing to me *shurgs*

why not edit before you shoot?

He barely had time to write before shooting. Neither of them did.

which did try to tie up the trilogy

My problem is attempting to tie up the trilogy is pointless when the last two movies were so terrible. It wasn't even a ROTS scenario where the other two movies were all over the place in quality but had set up for an obvious home run ending with the fall of Anakin. The sequels are nothing. Plus Trevorrow has shown exactly zero talent in writing or directing, apart from JJ style memberberry bullshit.

But it's tough to coordinate when you're writing scripts before movies are complete, making concept art, casting even, because Disney needed an every other year schedule (unlike George's every third year schedule, which allowed for a single helmer). Given that timetable, it's even tougher to coordinate when you're writing 1-2 movies in the future.

This is true. Disney wanted a movie out every year so they could get a return on investment, which destroyed any chance of there being a coherent story. Even George kind of rushed through the prequels, and he had 3 years. The sequels didn't have a chance. They didn't need to do a beat for beat LOTR style plan, but a rough outline, which JJ and Rian refused to do.

 

[The handsome tard]

I can imagine him being five seconds away from winning, then Thrawn, or someone working for Thrawn, shows up to kill him, turning the tide for the Mandos and displaying that the Dark Side always turns on itself.

"But...it was so artistically done..."

 

[Godzilla@1989]

This is true. Disney wanted a movie out every year so they could get a return on investment, which destroyed any chance of there being a coherent story. Even George kind of rushed through the prequels, and he had 3 years. The sequels didn't have a chance. They didn't need to do a beat for beat LOTR style plan, but a rough outline, which JJ and Rian refused to do.

The three year schedule was perfect for Star Wars because not only would the quality be improved but it would give the cast and crew a lot more flexibility and resting time in between movies.

Speaking of resting time, someone should tell Marvel Studios about this thing called hiatuses.

 

[God of Nothing]

The three year schedule was perfect for Star Wars because not only would the quality be improved but it would give the cast and crew a lot more flexibility and resting time in between movies.

Speaking of resting time, someone should tell Marvel Studios about this thing called hiatuses.

whoa there
that slows down the money train

 

[The handsome tard]

Speaking of resting time, someone should tell Marvel Studios about this thing called hiatuses.

I still say that the MCU needed one after Endgame, at least for a few short years while they plan the next phases out properly or at least reduce the rate of production to something more akin to the early phases.

 

[Commander X]

Frankly, the sooner Disney trashes the Marvel capeshit universe and makes it another unpopular shambles like Star Wars, the better,

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

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Yea, at this point, I would have much preferred seeing Cara Dune again as opposed to Lizzo the Hutt. I thought someone would replace her, but it seems like it's Mando that's gonna be replaced.