Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

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[Sinner's Sandwich]

Is the Clone Wars cartoon worth a watch?

Is there even anything from Star Wars worth a watch nowadays?

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Is there even anything from Star Wars worth a watch nowadays?

You basically have to go back to around 2005 or earlier to get good Star Wars media. Disney Wars is just bad on so many levels even when not accounting for wokeness.

 

[Ghostse]

Is there even anything from Star Wars worth a watch nowadays?

No.

I still say that the MCU needed one after Endgame, at least for a few short years while they plan the next phases out properly or at least reduce the rate of production to something more akin to the early phases.

They need an effective Avengers power level reset to focus on smaller heroes. You can't tell a relatable origin story when SHIELD has Helicarriers every 20 feet and Iron Man is on the 6 oclock news. They also needed to have a formula that wasn't just "Same powers, but a douchebag".

They sort of managed it with Thor going off with the guardians, killing off Iron Man, having Captain America cuck out to a nigger, and Brie Larson being so awful no one cared. Sony doing their contractually obligated trilogy filled in the gap, but they didn't promote up any heroes worth a shit other than maybe Antman.

I'm not sure; the second half Endgame was so fucking stupid I couldn't really bother to pay attention and, sort of like Star Wars, I haven't consoomed anything since but I just watch from the sidelines to see how bad it really is (and to laugh at consoomer cucks who continue to mindlessly consoom product from a company that hates them.)

 

[Michael Wade]

indeed but they had to cram individual character traits and arcs that should have been setup in their own solo movies so I wont hold it against it in this particular case. *shrugs*

There's no doubt in my mind whedon intentionally sabotaged the movie for marvel, while we are at it, I'm fairly certain the media sabotaged black Adams chances at success by inflating it as a dud when it was pretty fun.

You tend to notice that Disney doesn't like a fair fight.

 

[God of Nothing]

There's no doubt in my mind whedon intentionally sabotaged the movie for marvel, while we are at it, I'm fairly certain the media sabotaged black Adams chances at success by inflating it as a dud when it was pretty fun.

You tend to notice that Disney doesn't like a fair fight.

maybe
just maybe
they were shit?

 

[Michael Wade]

maybe
just maybe
they were shit?

I was there and I saw the synder cut, whatever your feelings on capeshit they had a wealth of good material that they failed to use. black Adam apparently had shit cut out that could have gotten it an R rating, although I thought that was good on its own. Media just gaslit everyone Into thinking it was terrible.

 

[Ghostse]

Black Adam was OK. Good performances, decent action, good twist but the plot/setting was fucking mess.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

 

[Shekelslovakia]

I still say that the MCU needed one after Endgame, at least for a few short years while they plan the next phases out properly or at least reduce the rate of production to something more akin to the early phases.

What about Spider-Man: Far From Home? It's technically the final entree of Phase 3, acting sort of an epilogue to the MCU itself but nobody ever talks about that film ever being the last one.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

Is there even anything from Star Wars worth a watch nowadays?

I have watched Andor now and it was good. But it's only half-told at this point. Expectations should be low for the second season (and if it's good, hey be surprised). Everything else is trash to falling into trash, and one shouldn't have high expectations for anything coming out at least in the next year or two. (Unless you like Filoni shit?)

 

[The handsome tard]

Man, you know its bad when Star Wars is becoming so uninteresting to talk about when we are talking about other franchises instead.

But I will say this, say whatever you want about Visions or whatever, but I will recognise how there are good ideas inspired by Star Wars that just never see the light of day because they dont have Disney money to back it up. Also just how many animated movies didnt go anywhere because boomers and normies automatically think animation is barney tier children shit (because since Disney is that, so is every animated movie apparently)?

A lot of non disney/dreamworks movies are legit hand waved away and never given a shit despite being very good because they are animated.

What about Spider-Man: Far From Home? It's technically the final entree of Phase 3, acting sort of an epilogue to the MCU itself but nobody ever talks about that film ever being the last one.

Thats a technicality, its far more practical to say Endgame is, well, the end because for the majority of the main cast since the beginning, it really was, with most either dead, retired or off to have maybe one last adventure before one of the other two happen. Far From Home was just more of the same, decent but still the same.

Besides, I think MCU's Spiderman wont be seen as foundly as the other two (especially Maguire) for the years to come. No way Home just confirmed it to me just how...better...everything about the Sam Raimi movies were in comparison to the MCU entries, right down to its cast of villains. But it is a somewhat decent send off for Andrew Garfield and Toby Maguire at the very least. Besides, I wont pretend that No Way Home was a giant nostalgia wank fest and that helped its success a lot. The Raimi movies aged very well.

Im rather curious as to what will be done to this Spiderman after that, especially if the talks about Sony having this share custody of him are true (especially since the Venom sequel was kind of a failure and Morbius was a god damn morbing master piece in all of morbing history).

 

[starborn427614]

Besides, I think MCU's Spiderman wont be seen as foundly as the other two (especially Maguire) for the years to come. No way Home just confirmed it to me just how...better...everything about the Sam Raimi movies were in comparison to the MCU entries, right down to its cast of villains. But it is a somewhat decent send off for Andrew Garfield and Toby Maguire at the very least. Besides, I wont pretend that No Way Home was a giant nostalgia wank fest and that helped its success a lot.

I've always liked Tom as Spider-Man, but he didn't truly come into the role until NWH for me as opposed to Tobey who got it right minute 1. I put that down to the writing rather than the actors though.

 

[The handsome tard]

I've always liked Tom as Spider-Man, but he didn't truly come into the role until NWH for me as opposed to Tobey who got it right minute 1. I put that down to the writing rather than the actors though.

And its tragic that right when he seemed to be winning us over, his future as the character is a tad ambiguious and hell, given the quality of the MCU, his character possibly already peaked in NWH and its all downhill from here.

 

[Michael Wade]

I can't remember if it was this thread or the star trek one, but I remember everyone giving me shit because at the time I thought star wars was better then star trek in terms of rot. Because star trek had been wholesale neglected and mismanaged for something like 20 years. And we still got some table scraps at least for star wars.

And then boom suddenly they made something worth a dam with the whole original cast back and it's amazing how fast the wheel turns.

'Engage!' The Enterprise NCC-1701-D returns with her (old) crew

Veridian III wasn't the end, after all. The Enterprise NCC-1701-D returns - with her older crew all back on the bridge and Majel Barrett as the Enterprise co...

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Say what you will, it took them 7 shitty seasons and 3 mediocre movies but they managed to do what star wars couldn't.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

The three year schedule was perfect for Star Wars because not only would the quality be improved but it would give the cast and crew a lot more flexibility and resting time in between movies.

Speaking of resting time, someone should tell Marvel Studios about this thing called hiatuses.

Three years was perfect. You could see the effect of how Disney did it, though, because they were scrambling to refilm scenes for RoS, and well, you saw the result of that.

The issue with the sequel trilogy seemed to be there was little to no coordination.

The entirety of the Disney Star Wars had little to no coordination, which is why you have things like force healing being retconned over and over again. I’d imagine the original EU had at least some level of coordination instead of everyone just doing their own thing.

That seems to be analogous to modern-day society now. No one wants to work with each other anymore; they just want to do their own separate things, especially in big franchises like these.

maybe
just maybe
they were shit?

I never denied that they were destined to be bad. I’m just saying that Whedon intentionally made it even worse with his style of filmmaking and writing. Character shifts, ugly CGI, dumbass jokes, that type of thing. And subsequent directors at DC didn’t dare much better.

 

[Ghostse]

I can't remember if it was this thread or the star trek one, but I remember everyone giving me shit because at the time I thought star wars was better then star trek in terms of rot. Because star trek had been wholesale neglected and mismanaged for something like 20 years. And we still got some table scraps at least for star wars.

And then boom suddenly they made something worth a dam with the whole original cast back and it's amazing how fast the wheel turns.

'Engage!' The Enterprise NCC-1701-D returns with her (old) crew

Veridian III wasn't the end, after all. The Enterprise NCC-1701-D returns - with her older crew all back on the bridge and Majel Barrett as the Enterprise co...

youtu.be

Say what you will, it took them 7 shitty seasons and 3 mediocre movies but they managed to do what star wars couldn't.

Counter Point: No one on TNG had a cocaine addiction

They managed to give Trekkies the cast they wanted in a season that only shits on the fan ocassionally. Anyone still watching is a zero-standards consoomer addicted to nostalgia - if cutting a check to a bunch of Senior Citizens to put on costumes does it for you. And Picard is dead and some sort of super gay worthless robot that can still die.
But no one can argue that is more than Star Wars got, and that is sadly the best treatment of any major SciFi/Fantasy property since.... Season 7 of GoT?

So I guess congratulations on finding a packet of peanuts in that turd.

 

[Michael Wade]

Counter Point: No one on TNG had a cocaine addiction

They managed to give Trekkies the cast they wanted in a season that only shits on the fan ocassionally. Anyone still watching is a zero-standards consoomer addicted to nostalgia - if cutting a check to a bunch of Senior Citizens to put on costumes does it for you. And Picard is dead and some sort of super pay worthless robot that can still die.
But no one can argue that is more than Star Wars got, and that is sadly the best treatment of any major SciFi/Fantasy property since.... Season 7 of GoT?

So I guess congratulations on finding a packet of peanuts in that turd.

I still haven't sat down to watch it in full. All I know is they got everybody back together on screen and they made it so almost every character has a kid or lasting legacy.

So basically the opposite of Luke.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

I’d imagine the original EU had at least some level of coordination instead of everyone just doing their own thing.

It didn't start that way. In the beginning, or the "proto-EU days", as I like to call it, there was zero coordination between the earliest tie-in novels (Han Solo Adventures, Lando Adventures, etc) and the old Marvel comics. Story arcs would just be planned in both lines of publishing, without either division even contacting each other.

That's why the 1991 relaunch with The Thrawn Trilogy and Dark Empire was such a milestone moment, because not only did Bantam Books and Dark Horse actually work out an authorial dispute to ensure both stories existed in the timeline, but the publishing of the former cemented the future longterm use of all the lore and worldbuilding assets built by the West End Tabletop RPG's. For the first time, the comics and the novel division were actually communicating, and making sure they weren't stepping on each other's toes. It was a massive step in the right direction, but you still had the issue of the individual Bantam Authors choosing to write stories independent of each other, which was partially why most of the books of the 90s felt like scattershot, monster-of-the-week storylines with sparse connectivity.

But when Del Rey took the novel license in 1999, we reached unprecedented levels of continuity coordination: for New Jedi Order, they exhaustively planned for months, recruited over a dozen authors to stay in contact and attend story meetings, and crafted a series bible to chart the narrative trajectories of all the characters and maintain consistency regarding the Yuuzhan Vong culture and language that all authors had to adhere to. And this is all before the Clone Wars Multimedia Project, which saw references, continuity and the repercussions of established story beats across novels, comics, video games, and even regular War Journal-style entries published online called HoloNet News. By the time the PT had wrapped up, and you had the later story arcs like Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi, you had the authors conceiving, planning and changing the story as one creative force. By that point, they were bending over backwards to link the outside material with the finished saga of films as much as possible. You even had the authors mining Marvel material that hadn't been referenced in years, like the Dark Lady Lumiya and the protolore of the Celestials, to lovingly create ties to that early, wilder era of Star Wars publishing and reign it into the new continuity.

Now, sure, authors were prone to using their novel entries in these series to focus on their topics and characters of interest (Allston on his X-Wing characters, Traviss on her Mandos, Denning with his fanboy love of the OT Heroes, Golden with her Lost Tribe Sith, etc), and the prose and voices for the characters varied wildly between writers due to them having different grasps on both, but their efforts to make it feel like one long continuous serialized story was nothing short of commendable. Again, the success of these efforts can be debated till the end of time, but you gotta admire the lengths they went to make it feel cohesive.

Meanwhile, the filmmakers of the ST--equipped with five times the budget, resources and manpower that the thankless EU authors ever had--seemingly couldn't be bothered to read each other's completed scripts, or even watch the previous films before breaking continuity in half.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It's the celebrity Hollywood culture. The same reason why filmmakers who make films based on things like comics or video games barely read the source material. They feel disgusted with the idea of honoring something made by nerds, for nerds, and they also hate each other and want to compete with each other. So it wasn't that surprising to see JJ and Rian competing with each other and using Star Wars as their battleground. To them, they don't give a shit about the franchise outside of it just being some disgraced film series since the 2000s (remember, people hated the Prequels all the way up to 2015, and Disney axed the EU because of Chewie's death in NJO, so they didn't care about that) and of course, they competed with each other like rats.