Megathread TERFs / Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists / Gender Critical Feminists - ft. r/GenderCritical & related reddits, Mancheeze, Cathy Brennan, GCDad, RadFHarva, Jamie Shupe, etc; "Gender Critical Feminism is Homophobic" - Cathy Brennan, 2019.

[Rainbow Child]

Like what?

None of you will do this, but you really should research what women were excluded from before imagining that you're experts on women's history. There were some universities that would admit women, but many did not - even those that were publicly funded. And many excluded women from applying to certain departments. That was true of jobs as well.


Women didn't try to abolish these institutions any more than civil rights activists tried to abolish them. They were explicitly excluding anyone who wasn't male or white and they worked to change that.

Exactly! Women invaded men's spaces. They were excluded, for their own good and for the spaces' own good. In 2023 they now control these spaces, and at the same time colonise little women's only spaces within these spaces.

A troon comes along and drops a log in the next stall. And these broads have the chutzpah to decry "iNvAdInG WoMeN's SpAcEs!".

You don't belong out here. You don't belong making art and science and sports. Wasn't it enough to be the most important creators in all of humanity, the mother? Didn't you know that all that male creativity was just the masculine way to just try to compare? You have to take that away from him, too? No wonder troons exist, you absolute fucking retards.

Now you want to be priests. It's insane. You are spoiled rotten. Go back to what you were good at and quit trying to be men in skirts. Otherwise, I don't care if a troon beats you up in the boxing ring. You shouldn't be boxing in the first place.

You shouldn't be in our Universities. And until you hold yourself to the same standard you hold everyone else to, fuck off. You don't even have any children. What a waste.

The role of stay-at-home mother is the reserve of the middle class. Poor women have always been part of the work force, whether unpaid or waged.

TERF nemesis Camille Paglia has suggested that universities have crèches so university-age women aren’t dissuaded from coupling with a man in her early twenties and starting a family with him. It’s a very soviet solution, coming from an academic.

You do realise that the "middle class" is only about as old as capitalism, right? Before that, everyone was poor or gentry. And while certainly a mother might always have had work to do, this was true for both rich and poor, and neither had to open up shop to do so. You know who did have to go to work? Widows.

Professional women are widows by choice.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

you really should research what women were excluded from before imagining that you're experts on women's history. There were some universities that would admit women, but many did not - even those that were publicly funded. And many excluded women from applying to certain departments. That was true of jobs as well.

So? Women have no "right" to those things, any more than a man has a "right" to those things. People are allowed to decide with whom they wish to live, work and associate - that is literally how a society works.
Women are now little more than spoilt children.
And women should mostly be excluded from universities, since they almost exclusively study worthless Humanities that have a negative impact on society.

Professional women are widows by choice.

And their children are orphans/sacrifices to the God of their ambition.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

And women should mostly be excluded from universities, since they almost exclusively study worthless Humanities that have a negative impact on society.

He's out of line, but he's right. The humanities are completely non-profitable majors that only serve to bring more teachers to the market- for those exact same humanities courses. They pass down the same exact knowledge from generation to generation; there's no profit/production/innovation to be found by studying injustices of the past, and those courses are absolutely packed with wimmin. A complete waste of time, resources and (in the case of grants) taxpayer funding.

When dames start caring about STEM (and stop caring about male attitudes in STEM) en masse, my mind is open to change.

 

[Dylan]

Damn, this thread got so good...
I can't help myself but to spergout by saying "BASED".

 

[Iron Jaguar]

He's out of line, but he's right.

How can I be out of line if I'm right?

 

[Rainbow Child]

He's out of line, but he's right. The humanities are completely non-profitable majors that only serve to bring more teachers to the market- for those exact same humanities courses. They pass down the same exact knowledge from generation to generation; there's no profit/production/innovation to be found by studying injustices of the past, and those courses are absolutely packed with wimmin. A complete waste of time, resources and (in the case of grants) taxpayer funding.

When dames start caring about STEM (and stop caring about male attitudes in STEM) en masse, my mind is open to change.

What is this? "Agree and Amplify"? Academia should not be run on a "profit and production" model, although innovation, yes, that should be expected.

All these women who control the Faculty of Humanities (and the Administration) are just scraping the works of Marx and Hegel, who were men, out of the centrifuge. The issue is not that the Humanities cannot be without innovation. The issue is that motherly women cannot be the ones to challenge the status quo, for they are fit to adapt to the status quo. They cannot be lone wolves.

Science and technology are important. They discover methods of examination and instruments or materials of creation. But arts and humanities are also important. They create a reason to examine and a reason to create. A man divorced from his history, his literature, his great works of art and architecture, in a cutting edge suit of armour, is mayhemed on the battlefield against the man equipped with these traditions.

If you throw away your traditions simply because some broads have picked their festering scabs for a century, then those traditions will be dead. And their technology will be unavailable to you. But hey, at least ChatGPT knows how to read for you, am I right?

It is important to take back the Humanities, and challenge these pharaohs, Marx and Hegel, without necessarily rejecting everything they put forth, in order to bring back innovation in those fields. Because, literally, it's about being human.

 

[Tau Tack]

You do realise that the "middle class" is only about as old as capitalism, right?

Ya mate, I realise that. In the same vein that the nuclear family is an unnatural construct. Humans raise children communally.

But this mawkish romanticism that men only create because they’re unvital simps trying to either crawl into back into their mother’s womb or mewling faggots trying to ape her reproductive abilities. Give us all a break with that deus vult shit. Sounds like you need some women in the humanities after all. Men and women both have complex internal lives, intellectual curiosity, creative drives and talents beyond our reproductive role. Their competitive strategies are different and women devote a greater amount of physical resources to children, that’s all. Men are confused about how to compete with women, and women try too hard to compete with men on their own terms, and this is something we should all be able to discuss without brow-beating and making up stories about the past.

Why would women divest themselves of the opportunity to participate in the culture they’re producing the heirs for?

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Ya mate, I realise that. In the same vein that the nuclear family is an unnatural construct. Humans raise children communally.

When have humans ever raised children communally? What do you even mean by communally? Do you mean everyone's kids play with each other? Or adults in a neighborhood look out for children and don't allow them to get hurt? Do you mean some sort of church community?

 

[Iron Jaguar]

. But arts and humanities are also important.

Agreed. But the ones women mostly study are total fiction and completely irrelevant to our history and cultural identity. "Black Queer Marxist Theory" is not a real thing.

 

[Tau Tack]

When have humans ever raised children communally? What do you even mean by communally? Do you mean everyone's kids play with each other? Or adults in a neighborhood look out for children and don't allow them to get hurt? Do you mean some sort of church community?

I mean as in for the breadth of human history that is our survival strategy. Girls help raise their siblings, grandmothers help raise their grandchildren etc.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

I mean as in for the breadth of human history that is our survival strategy. Girls help raise their siblings, grandmothers help raise their grandchildren etc.

So in other words, exactly like it is now under the nuclear family model.

 

[Tau Tack]

No, the nuclear family is the conjugal family. Mother, father, children.

 

[Prof. Chaos]

Girls help raise their siblings

The Duggars and Quiverfull movement do that and liberals give them shit for it

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

No, the nuclear family is the conjugal family. Mother, father, children.

>Girls raising their siblings - would it not fit under conjugal family? Or does it stop being nuclear/conjugal family when sally helps little timmy get ready for school in the morning or helps mom make dinner at night for the family?

>Grandmothers help raise their grandchildren - Where's the line exactly? Daily interaction a necessity? Under one roof? Because I've never known a grandparent who didn't enjoy having grandbabies about and didn't do so when given a chance. Maybe not as much as mom and dad, but I know I wouldn't be who I am without my grandparents.

 

[Rainbow Child]

Ya mate, I realise that. In the same vein that the nuclear family is an unnatural construct. Humans raise children communally.

But this mawkish romanticism that men only create because they’re unvital simps trying to either crawl into back into their mother’s womb or mewling faggots trying to ape her reproductive abilities. Give us all a break with that deus vult shit. Sounds like you need some women in the humanities after all. Men and women both have complex internal lives, intellectual curiosity, creative drives and talents beyond our reproductive role. Their competitive strategies are different and women devote a greater amount of physical resources to children, that’s all. Men are confused about how to compete with women, and women try too hard to compete with men on their own terms, and this is something we should all be able to discuss without brow-beating and making up stories about the past.

Why would women divest themselves of the opportunity to participate in the culture they’re producing the heirs for?

That's a whole lot of yappin' to say absolutely nothin'.

Get back to me when you're a Michelangelo. Until then, keep nurturin' tomorrow's Michelangelos. The hand that rocks the cradle, and all that.

>Girls raising their siblings - would it not fit under conjugal family? Or does it stop being nuclear/conjugal family when sally helps little timmy get ready for school in the morning or helps mom make dinner at night for the family?

>Grandmothers help raise their grandchildren - Where's the line exactly? Daily interaction a necessity? Under one roof? Because I've never known a grandparent who didn't enjoy having grandbabies about and didn't do so when given a chance. Maybe not as much as mom and dad, but I know I wouldn't be who I am without my grandparents.

The nuclear family, as the name suggests, is the atomisation of society. When Sally turns 18, she moves to NYC in a shitty little loft and starts racking up a body count. She's nowhere to be seen to help little Timmy.

Grandma's in the nursing home in another city. Uncles and Aunties are in other states. Nobody is around to be a real family.

Of course grandma loves having grandbabies around, when given a chance. That's the point. Grandma has few chances when the family is atomised in the hyper-individualisation of the totalitarian liberalist state. Tau Tack's idiocy is not that she recognises that the communal family has been smashed but that she's not willing to smash the false idol of Iconoclasm that led us to this point.

 

[Tau Tack]

Get back to me when you're a Michelangelo.

Is this the male equivalent of Girl Power, because it’s as retarded when men group themselves in with their betters as when women do it. Unless you have some marbles to show us or some poems about how nice young boys’ bottoms are that you’d like to share. Not to mention that there were female artists working in the Renaissance period. It’s almost as if that is besides the point.

Tau Tack's idiocy is not that she recognises that the communal family has been smashed but that she's not willing to smash the false idol of Iconoclasm that led us to this point.

… OK.

 

[redcent]

When dames start caring about STEM (and stop caring about male attitudes in STEM) en masse, my mind is open to change.

Has no one ever stepped foot into a hospital?

And on that note, where are all these chicks studying humanities? I haven't seen any short of a ben shapiro vid.

Get back to me when you're a Michelangelo. Until then, keep nurturin' tomorrow's Michelangelos. The hand that rocks the cradle, and all that.

You're no Michelangelo either, and you're never going to live the dream.

 

[Beating_Women]

lol, This is getting absolutely ridiculous now,
one post, an observation many people have made throughout the thread, before it got moved into the 'Gender Critical/Stinkditch' subforum.

They will not tolerate one iota of dissent to their feminist dogma, it's like a completely different site to the rest of KF in tone and moderation.
It's exactly like r/GenderCritical, as everyone predicted it would be.

I had literally posted this in A&H a few hour ago too...

A lot of this is based on a version on KF that doesn't really exist anymore.
I wonder if the author realizes that in the last few years huge swathes of Kiwi farms have been taken over by feminists who are just as censorious and authoritarian (and hysterical) as the author would like.
'transphobia' aside your average hectoring lib feminist would be quite comfortable on 2023 Kiwi Farms.




> "You'd get banned in minutes for exclaiming any overt masculine thoughts. Not misognistic. Not chavaunistic, Just male thoughts. "
.. so 'stinkditch'/Beauty Parlour on here then

How long do you think they will 'tolerate' this thread for....?

 

[Dylan]

Marx was a lazy unwashed privelegged burgeau, who didn't work a day of simple man's labor, he couldn't even be bothered to trim his caveman beard. He was jealous of all the other people who put effort into building their wealth, and hated those who were lucky to inherit it from the parents. Despite being trustfund manchild who was living off the fortune of his charitable friend, he genuinely felt it to be unfair to inherit wealth(because it wasn't him, so he had to ask for gibbs). His works are nothing short of convoluted justification of his parasitic lifestyle of a leech, it's no different from a Tumblr blog post of unemployed fat danger hair on why she shouldn't have to have a job.

 

[GilaCutter]

Under one roof?

Go back to just the 1800s and yes, under one roof. Entire extended families living in the same house or at least on the same lot wasn't that uncommon. The concept of a nuclear family is relatively recent.