Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[DumbDude43]

the individuals are nearly worthless

not generally true.
zelensky is pretty irrelevant, that much is true. he could be assassinated today, and tomorrow they'd put another guy in his position (some vice president, or the prime minister, or speaker of parliament or whatever) and the war continues. the guy at the top is expendable.
but it's not quite the same on the other side due to how much power is concentrated in putin personally - not in the office of the president, but the man himself. even when medvedev was president, putin was still the real boss. he is not expendable like zelensky, if he were to disappear it would create a power vacuum, big confusion, and it is very unpredictable how things would proceed into the future from there.

 

[AgendaPoster]

FYI here's the DOJ release, which goes into detail; the persons charged are alleged Russian FSB agents who didn't register as such; the US citizens appear to be naturalized citizens.

U.S. Citizens and Russian Intelligence Officers Charged with Conspiring to Use U.S. Citizens as Illegal Agents of the Russian Government

A federal grand jury in Tampa, Florida, returned a superseding indictment charging four U.S. citizens and three Russian nationals with working on behalf of the Russian government and in conjunction with the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) to conduct a multi-year foreign malign influence...

www.justice.gov

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OMG I think Glenn Greenwald was sperging out about these African Socialist Uhuru lunatics, tried to listen to his podcast during my run but it messed up my zen so I had to switch to some music.

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LMAO

 

[Coffee Mugshot]

Russians are being issued instructions on how to destroy an Abrams.
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It's the same graphic I've seen posted elsewhere across Russian channels; but that's some optimistic shit right there, especially if this guy can't do it with his aircraft. But I wonder what he's sitting in; it's fairly modern & not a hideous color; so I'm guessing a Ka-50, or maybe a Mi-28.

Looks like it's taken from the left seat of a Ka-50(52?) cockpit if this reddit pic is accurate (reddit comments say Ka-52 but it's submitted as Ka-50). Far left display seems to match.



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[mindlessobserver]

Remember Feline wishing for the

OMG I think Glenn Greenwald was sperging out about these African Socialist Uhuru lunatics, tried to listen to his podcast during my run but it messed up my zen so I had to switch to some music.

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What a Kang.

 

[AgendaPoster]

What a Kang.

can you imagine having a "socialist party" or any political organization, and allowing Gazi Kodzo in, not even as a member, but as a LEADER, fucking hell

 

[RodgerDodger]

Russians are being issued instructions on how to destroy an Abrams.
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It's the same graphic I've seen posted elsewhere across Russian channels; but that's some optimistic shit right there, especially if this guy can't do it with his aircraft. But I wonder what he's sitting in; it's fairly modern & not a hideous color; so I'm guessing a Ka-50, or maybe a Mi-28.

"TRUST US Comrades. Nobody who has followed these directions has ever complained that they didn't work."

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

not generally true.
zelensky is pretty irrelevant, that much is true. he could be assassinated today, and tomorrow they'd put another guy in his position (some vice president, or the prime minister, or speaker of parliament or whatever) and the war continues. the guy at the top is expendable.

I dunno, he's kind of a big deal to a lot of Ukrainians (and other people worldwide) by now, and rakes in a lot of support from elsewhere on the basis of his personality (and work ethic) alone. While they wouldn't immediately roll over if Zelensky got taken out, it'd definitely cause a lot of anguish & doubt, especially with Ukrainians who had to flee. There's certainly other leaders now who would be able to step up & continue the fight, but Zelensky is sort of irreplaceable at this point. He's almost like the personification of Ukraine's resistance worldwide, and losing him would be very detrimental to their meta.

 

[conodont]

How the hell do you pronounce Bohdan Khmelnytsky anyway? I used to live down his street and it was just easier to tell the taxi driver '11 Mirrors' or 'Club Rio' instead of bogdan blahblhablah. Nice street too until a car bomb went off outside McDonalds...

Boh dân keh mel nyet ski

 

[Feline Supremacist]

OMG I think Glenn Greenwald was sperging out about these African Socialist Uhuru lunatics, tried to listen to his podcast during my run but it messed up my zen so I had to switch to some music.

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Here is a picture of Gazi Kodzo



One of their BLM pets who went off the reservation. Oops
lol.

 

[Ghostse]

and the normies just don't see Biden as this colossal fuck-up as the die-hard Trumpers do.

This is a solid case of people needing to get off the internet, touch grass, and talk to actual people not Vatniks & Eurocuck useful idiots pretending to not be allergic to freedom. In the heart of Red Country, people think Biden is fucking up on everything EXCEPT Ukraine - or I guess more specifically, they think standing up to Russia is the only thing he's doing right regardless of their feelings on the Yooks.

not generally true.
zelensky is pretty irrelevant, that much is true. he could be assassinated today, and tomorrow they'd put another guy in his position (some vice president, or the prime minister, or speaker of parliament or whatever) and the war continues. the guy at the top is expendable.
but it's not quite the same on the other side due to how much power is concentrated in putin personally - not in the office of the president, but the man himself. even when medvedev was president, putin was still the real boss. he is not expendable like zelensky, if he were to disappear it would create a power vacuum, big confusion, and it is very unpredictable how things would proceed into the future from there.

All things being equal, I don't think removing Putin would change much in the long term. The organism would shamble along with some fighting at the top but wouldn't meaningfully change anything.

But all things are not equal, and I'm pretty sure if Putin was gone tomorrow his successor would be much more open to cutting a deal, if for no other reason than to get external support to help keep the crown.

 

[Techpriest Mk II]

Russians accidentally bombed themselves in Belogrod again. Another Su-34 incident too.

 

[Least Concern]

I don't use KF much anymore, but I still lurk some threads from time to time, and this is one of them. Thank you to everyone who's sharing news and info here.

I've had some rather radical changes in outlook in my life in the last six months or so, and looking at this war in this mindset has really caused me to doubt my sanity in the past. Namely, being a rather straightforward Republican and supporting the wars against the Taliban in Afghanistan and the Hussein regime in Iraq. Why was I all for seeing a foreign nation conquer territory and replace a government in those places, but I'm now absolutely disgusted at what Russia is trying to do in Ukraine? Certainly part of it is that patriotism is now not so directly connected with the conflict, but that's certainly not everything. Zelensky might be a weirdo and the Ukraine government might have been corrupt, but is that Russia's problem to fix? No. So why was the theocracy in Afghanistan or the political oppression in Iraq America's problem to fix? Hm. I feel like a fool. If someone - whether a neighbor or someone from the other side of the planet - announced that my ownership over my own house was illegitimate and tried to kick me and my family out of it (or just kill us), I would be a fool to not fight back, wouldn't I? And wouldn't the people who supported that stranger trying to kick me out be complete weirdoes?

Well, enough of that. In some ways I hope we don't see this "spring offensive" because it will just mean more meat being fed into the grinder, but I suppose if this were going to be solved peacefully it would have been done already, so failing that I hope to see those corrupt Ukrainian globohomo nazis succeed in kicking those pure-hearted Russians who dindu nuffin back behind at least the 2021 borders and these people can live in peace once more.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

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Looks like it's taken from the left seat of a Ka-50(52?) cockpit if this reddit pic is accurate (reddit comments say Ka-52 but it's submitted as Ka-50). Far left display seems to match.

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It looks like the 2 side-by-side seater Ka-52 and not the 1-seater/2 seats front-to-back like the Ka-50

I dunno, he's kind of a big deal to a lot of Ukrainians (and other people worldwide) by now, and rakes in a lot of support from elsewhere on the basis of his personality (and work ethic) alone. While they wouldn't immediately roll over if Zelensky got taken out, it'd definitely cause a lot of anguish & doubt, especially with Ukrainians who had to flee. There's certainly other leaders now who would be able to step up & continue the fight, but Zelensky is sort of irreplaceable at this point. He's almost like the personification of Ukraine's resistance worldwide, and losing him would be very detrimental to their meta.

Ehhh, I feel like Zelensky getting off'ed at this stage would have two-sided repercussions:

On one hand, it would most certainly make the man a martyr, and it would galvanize the existing support.
On the other hand, it would give Russia the big W they have been looking for (better than taking Bakhmut after umpteen thousand casualties and pretending its the key to everything), and increase internal confidence in continued operations by the Russian Armed Forces.

 

[jalopy]

PS: learn to see the big picture, the individuals are nearly worthless

The individuals can be comparatively easy to replace, especially in a system with a clear line of accession, but symbols of their actions are not.
If Zelenskyy was assassinated or had a missile drop on him he would be a martyr. You don't want your enemy to have famous martyrs.

They gave the American tank the tranny colors. Touche Ruskies

LMAO

LMAO, this nutbag. Wonder if he still had those blank faced college chicks for his super secret operation over come whitey

One of their BLM pets who went off the reservation. Oops
lol.

TBF, he was on the schizo side of Black Nationalism even before BLM

 

[AgendaPoster]

If Zelenskyy was assassinated or had a missile drop on him he would be a martyr. You don't want your enemy to have famous martyrs.

Yes, the idea was that countries have their own complex dynamics. At times, there can be catalysts, like you mentioned. Zelensky is not a great catalyst while alive, but he might become much better in death, true. Great catalysts were people like Mehmed the 2nd, Vlad the Impaler, Muhammad or Alexander the Great. Z is in no position to achieve greatness inside East Europe, nor even Ukraine; his destiny is to be tolerated because of the hardships of the war, maybe even begrudgingly so by most of his citizens.

 

[Ghostse]

Why was I all for seeing a foreign nation conquer territory and replace a government in those places, but I'm now absolutely disgusted at what Russia is trying to do in Ukraine? Certainly part of it is that patriotism is now not so directly connected with the conflict, but that's certainly not everything. Zelensky might be a weirdo and the Ukraine government might have been corrupt, but is that Russia's problem to fix? No. So why was the theocracy in Afghanistan or the political oppression in Iraq America's problem to fix? Hm.

The key difference here is that Iraq isn't a former US possession that was occupied by a US puppet until he was overthrown by his own people. The US wasn't trying to Annex portions of Afghanistan, they hadn't engineered a famine in the 1930s to kill off a few million Afghanis, and from 1920 to 1980 the US government hadn't occupied Afghanistan and deported large numbers of the population to Alaska, while outlawing the Pashtun and imprisoning and killing as many of the Afghan intellectuals as possible.
Whatever excuses Putin gives, its about a land and resource grab. Not about just changing a government or pushing back against globohomo or w/e. Its expansionism not just influence.

This is why you don't see too many people saying much about Russia backing Assad in Syria - Russia is just supporting an ally there. They are not trying to take over Syria and make it part of Russia, and there is no century-long history of Russia ethnically cleansing the Locals. (Assad, yes. Russia, no.)
Russia can end the bloodshed anytime they want. Even before they put boots on the ground, if they were actually concerned about Ethnic Russian in Donbas, as a permanent member of the security council they could have requested a UN Peacekeeping mission to intervene in the civil war for talks. The issue there would be the UN peace keepers wouldn't be Russian troops - there is a reason peace keeping missions involve troops from countries that don't border the conflict.

 

[DumbDude43]

So why was the theocracy in Afghanistan or the political oppression in Iraq America's problem to fix? Hm.

the taliban made themselves americas problem to fix when they decided to shelter bin laden (the man who had just orchestrated the single biggest attack on america since pearl harbor)
the big mistake here was staying for a prolonged occupation, even after bin laden had been taken. the proper way to go about it would have been to just pack up and leave immediately after that guy was in the ground, instead of staying and fucking around for another decade after that.

iraq is less clear cut. originally saddam made himself americas problem to fix when he invaded and annexed kuwait in 1990, which triggered the first gulf war, but for some reason bush sr did not actually follow through, he just drove the iraqis out of kuwait and then fucked off, leaving saddam alive and his regime intact. 2003 was W deciding to finish the job his dad had started and left unfinished.
the big mistake in this case was not finishing off saddam in the first war. coming back a decade later (and then getting involved in yet another decades long occupation) was retarded as fuck, and W's war in 2003 had a lot less support and legitimacy than bush seniors war had in 1991.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Apologies if posted, but Commander Anders Puck Nielsen analyses how in his opinion Putin has to someone get the engagement and commitment of a population who lived under a social contract where Putin left them alone, and encouraged them not to care. Foresees increased tensions over setbacks. Not a charismatic speaker, but this talk seems to set out the matter clearly.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

A Russian Su-34 VKS aircraft dropped a bomb over the city of Belgorod this evening:

On the evening of April 20, during the flight of the Su-34 VKS aircraft over the city of Belgorod, an abnormal derailment of aviation ammunition occurred — russian news : r/CombatFootage

They've just bombed themselves.

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NEXTA (@nexta_tv)

In #Belgorod, a car was thrown onto the roof of a supermarket by a blast wave.

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Aftermath crater:
Shamelessly stolen from /k/.

More here: https://nitter.net/bayraktar_1love/status/1649142057011671042

EDIT:

Russians accidentally bombed themselves in Belogrod again. Another Su-34 incident too.

Sorry, I didn't notice that @Techpriest Mk II had already informed the thread about this news; I hope my post still adds in being informative.

 

[mindlessobserver]

How exactly can these idiots not make a profit? Just automate the writing of the articles with AI.

I legitimately think they'd make a fortune.

2nd best military in the world.