Las Vegas-to-California bullet train gets bipartisan backing - Federal taxpayers get to spend at least $3.75 billion to build ANOTHER high-speed rail line in California

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This undated illustration provided by Brightline West shows an illustration of the Brightline West High Speed Rail project train from Las Vegas to Rancho Cucamonga, Calif. A bipartisan congressional group from Nevada and California asked the Biden administration on Monday, April 24, 2023, to fast-track federal funds for a private company to build a high-speed rail line between Las Vegas and the Los Angeles area. (Brightline West via AP)

LAS VEGAS (AP) — A bipartisan congressional group from Nevada and California asked the Biden administration Monday to fast-track federal funds for a private company to build a high-speed rail line between Las Vegas and the Los Angeles area.

All six of Nevada’s elected federal lawmakers and four House members from California sent the letter to U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg. They said they’re on board with a proposal from Brightline West to spend more than $10 billion to lay tracks along the Interstate 15 corridor.

Traffic jams on the interstate often stretch for 15 miles (24 kilometers) near the Nevada-California line as motorists head home after weekend or holiday travel to Las Vegas.

The Mojave Desert is largely open space, and the electric-powered trains could potentially cut the four-hour trip in half, carrying passengers at speeds of nearly 200 mph (322 kph).

“This project is a major priority because it will make southern Nevada more accessible to millions of visitors each year,” said U.S. Sen. Jacky Rosen, the Nevada Democrat leading the group. She said it “will boost our economy and create more good-paying jobs.”

Union labor will be used during construction, the company and the Southern Nevada Building Trades Union have announced in recent weeks.

Brightline West is seeking $3.75 billion in federal funding from the Biden administration-backed federal infrastructure law.

The project could be “the blueprint for how we can connect major city pairs that are too short to fly and too far to drive,” said Mike Reininger, CEO of Florida-based Brightline Holdings LLC, the only privately owned and operated intercity passenger railroad in the United States.

The lawmakers’ letter pointed to company projections of 35,000 construction jobs, 1,000 permanent jobs and reduced planet-warming greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles.

A draft environmental assessment of the Nevada-California project was made public last October 2022 and the Federal Railroad Administration is expected to finalize permits in July. The company said about 70% of funding will be private, using a combination of debt and equity.

Amtrak passenger service to Las Vegas ended in 1997 with the demise of a train called the Desert Wind. The concept of building a bullet train through the Mojave Desert dates back to at least 2005 under various names. It has seen starts and stops over the years and became sidetracked during the COVID-19 pandemic.

In Florida, Brightline West’s sister company began sharing the Florida East Coast freight line between Miami and West Palm Beach in 2014 and is building an extension to Orlando. High-speed trains running through urban areas have drawn criticism for numerous crashes with vehicles at rail crossings. Investigators found deaths were not the railroad’s fault, determining that many were suicides or drivers or pedestrians trying to beat the trains.

Other places where high-speed trains have been proposed include the 240 miles (386 kilometers) from Dallas to Houston in Texas, and a 500-mile (805-kilometer) system linking Los Angeles and San Francisco.

The California line depends on funding and other unknowns.

A 2023 report by the California High-Speed Rail Authority says environmental clearance has been obtained for 422 miles (679 kilometers) and construction is underway for 119 miles (191 kilometers) in California’s Central Valley.

Cost estimates have swelled to more than $100 billion — far greater than the $33 billion that voters approved in 2008.

In Texas, a study published last month by Reason Foundation, a libertarian think tank, concluded the state’s fast rail project is stalled by climbing costs, lack of legislative support and opposition from farmers, ranchers, and other landowners “who objected to having their land bisected by a train traveling at 200 miles per hour over 30 times each day.” It noted the Texas Legislature passed a law prohibiting spending any funds on the project.

Brightline West trains would connect Las Vegas, Victorville, California, and Rancho Cucamonga — a city in San Bernardino County with a passenger station on a suburban Los Angeles light rail line.

U.S. Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto, a Democrat, and Nevada’s four House members including Republican Mark Amodei signed the letter with Rosen seeking federal-state partnership funding through the Federal Railroad Administration’s Intercity Rail Grant Program.

California Democratic House members Nanette Barragán and Jimmy Gomez from the Los Angeles area and John Garamendi of the East Bay area signed on, along with Republican Jay Obernolte, who represents the Victorville and San Bernardino County area.

“This bipartisan delegation from Nevada and California are pleased to support the federal resources necessary to develop essential transportation access between this highly trafficked corridor,” the lawmakers said.

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This story was updated to correct that Amtrak service to Las Vegas ended in 1997, not 1991.

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Oh you misunderstand, I like trains. Trains are cool. There are good arguments about the US needing to upgrade their rail networks.

I am just shitting on this idea because it sounds retarded. This money would be far better used upgrading and retrofitting already existing cargo freight lines before any sort of Japanese bullet train LARP shit they are going for.
I have a feeling that this will probably be either A. a money laundering scheme or B. a proof of concept.
Most first world countries have a population density greater than your average morgue. We are not most first world countries.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if this was some kind of public-private partnership with the casinos. After all, their business is separating fools from their money, and California has an abundance of both.
We have densely populated places too, they're called cities.
Most first world countries are the size of individual US states whose rail network is entirely government owned or wholly subsidized.
Most first world countries have long long standing cultures of use of public transportation via canal or train.
Most first world countries have gas prices higher than the US.
You are making a good argument for a strong nationalized rail system being put in place in the U.S.. Rail companies here are somehow worse than Amtrak, we *did* have a long standing culture of public transport, and gas prices here (while not being $10 per gallon) is still fucking expensive.
Public transportation has never been popular in the US for various reasons:
  • Historically private transportation was cheap and readily available for all but the poorest Americans.
  • US population density is and was far too low to make proper efficient use of public transportation except for a few coastal metropolises.
  • all the rail lines are privately owned and dedicated for freight service. the Track owner's trains will always take priority.
Do you realize that you just contradicted yourself in your point and then bullet points? Public transport was very popular until cars became cheap and readily available.
any passenger rail outside of say NYC or similar environments will never make a profit whether its AMTRAK style passenger service on freight lines or dedicated high speed rail and bullet trains. its just not in demand.

Even most Airlines don't turn profits and instead rely on government subsidies to stay airborne.
Maybe we should nationalize it for the public good.
 
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I'm not sure what the laws are on trains but this might be the Old West with blackjack and hookers.
As opposed to the Old West's Texas Hold 'Em and hookers?
Do you realize that you just contradicted yourself in your point and then bullet points? Public transport was very popular until cars became cheap and readily available.
He didn't say cars. He said private transportation. A category which includes things like horses. NYC during the late 1800's was just as clogged with carriages as it is now with automobiles. Calf boots were mandatory for crossing the street due to the tendency for horse dung to pile up ankle-high there. The American population was almost entirely rural until the turn of the 20th century, the vast majority living as independent smallholders or in skilled trades to support said smallholders.
 
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He didn't say cars. He said private transportation. A category which includes things like horses. NYC during the late 1800's was just as clogged with carriages as it is now with automobiles. Calf boots were mandatory for crossing the street due to the tendency for horse dung to pile up ankle-high there. The American population was almost entirely rural until the turn of the 20th century, the vast majority living as independent smallholders or in skilled trades to support said smallholders.
You are right, I didn't even read his comment so actually reading it I look like a retard. He still is completely wrong and an utter idiot.
 
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Los angles had the fucking red car.

There are so many fucking people who drive from LA to LV its not even funny. Fuck when I lived in LA I new people that rented a car to drive to LV because they were in a lease and didnt want to rack up miles.

also people dont want public tranport because it will be used by mexicans to come into your neighborhood and take your shit or used as a homeless camp for drug addicts
 
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No it wouldn't.
The big rail companies continue to turn a profit despite all the corporate mismanagement, because rail is still the best way to haul bulk freight. UPS pays a premium for on-time delivery via train (and they fuck it up); putting more suits and retards into the mix would lead to more catastrophe. You think it's bad now, imagine Pete Bootygig having even more control.
 
Los angles had the fucking red car.

There are so many fucking people who drive from LA to LV its not even funny. Fuck when I lived in LA I new people that rented a car to drive to LV because they were in a lease and didnt want to rack up miles.

also people dont want public tranport because it will be used by mexicans to come into your neighborhood and take your shit or used as a homeless camp for drug addicts
Well, that was when times were good-ish. Now LV charges for parking and drinks are no longer free, so I interpret that as times have gotten hard. Which also leads me to think there isn't demand for a railway because gambling is a luxury that Californians can no longer afford.
 
Well, that was when times were good-ish. Now LV charges for parking and drinks are no longer free, so I interpret that as times have gotten hard. Which also leads me to think there isn't demand for a railway because gambling is a luxury that Californians can no longer afford.
I'm not saying yes or no, but the I-15 is still a parking lot every weekend. If they're not gambling, there's plenty doing other shit.
 
The big rail companies continue to turn a profit despite all the corporate mismanagement, because rail is still the best way to haul bulk freight. UPS pays a premium for on-time delivery via train (and they fuck it up); putting more suits and retards into the mix would lead to more catastrophe. You think it's bad now, imagine Pete Bootygig having even more control.
Pete Buttboy doesn't do anything, his role is fake.
 
Well, that was when times were good-ish. Now LV charges for parking and drinks are no longer free, so I interpret that as times have gotten hard. Which also leads me to think there isn't demand for a railway because gambling is a luxury that Californians can no longer afford.

Only mgm and Caesar properties have paid parking, and they started charging for parking before the recession. Drinks are still free when you are gaming.
 
Only mgm and Caesar properties have paid parking, and they started charging for parking before the recession. Drinks are still free when you are gaming.
They also got rid of the buffets to bring in $$$$$$ priced "celebrity" chef restaraunts becuase they have utter disdain for normal people that want to go on vacation and don't have money exploding out of their ass like the Monopoly Guy. If you still give these literal gangsters money after they threw middle income people under the bus, you are a consumer whore.
 
Only mgm and Caesar properties have paid parking, and they started charging for parking before the recession. Drinks are still free when you are gaming.
Pro-tip: Don't sit at the bar and play whatever game is there. Because while the cocktail waitress isn't going to remember who's sitting where; the Bartender has access to a screen that shows who's spending more money at the devices around him, and he'll be slow or flat our refuse to refill without seeing more play. I don't know what properties have a limit or how much, but know that it exists, and if you're sitting and playing at the bar while expecting free drinks, you're being watched. As for what properties have paid parking; only naming two names sounds okay, until you realize those two own most of the city.
 
As horribly as the railroad is currently ran (and it is running sub-part), putting the actual government in charge would make it worse.
Part of the shitshow that is Amtrak is that freight trains have the right of way.

It's like going on a highway with big trucks where there's no passing lane.

A designated passenger rail track could haul ass.
 
Pro-tip: Don't sit at the bar and play whatever game is there. Because while the cocktail waitress isn't going to remember who's sitting where; the Bartender has access to a screen that shows who's spending more money at the devices around him, and he'll be slow or flat our refuse to refill without seeing more play. I don't know what properties have a limit or how much, but know that it exists, and if you're sitting and playing at the bar while expecting free drinks, you're being watched. As for what properties have paid parking; only naming two names sounds okay, until you realize those two own most of the city.
Las Vegas was founded by crooks, and it's still ran by crooks.
 
I don't get this.

Brightline just opened, or is about to open in the next month, a line from Orlando to Miami, a 235 mile trip.

But one-way tickets on the line are $79, with $149 round trips.

To put that in perspective, in Miami and Orlando, you could get round-trip airfare to half a dozen Caribbean islands for less than that. A vehicle getting 25mpg would cost under $50 in gas each way to make the trip, and then you don't have to take taxis once you arrive at your destination.

The only people it makes sense for are people without cars, but neither city has a ton of "no one has cars here" residential space or culture, it's very car oriented. As soon as you have kids, it's obviously a stupid idea and much cheaper to drive. If you are a couple with 3 or more children, it's literally cheaper to take a Lyft XL city-to-city than it would be to get tickets for the train.

Oh, but it's high speed and direct! OK, but riving from one station to the other would take 3 hours and 15 minutes, and the train takes...2 hours and 59 minutes. You save 16 minutes versus driving, as long as you don't count any time spent parking and waiting for the train.
You forget the tourist market, Miami International is a major airport for transatlantic flights, people flying to Florida from Southern Europe it's roughly $150-$200 cheaper to fly into Miami than Orlando, on top of that, if you're going to spend all that money to fly to Florida why not go and see Miami too? Better than dealing with Florida-man on Greyhound.
 
Watch as the California part of the rail quickly goes over budget. Much like every other attempt to bring light rail to the state. And speaking of, how's that Bay Area to LA project going, Gavin?
 
Part of the shitshow that is Amtrak is that freight trains have the right of way.

It's like going on a highway with big trucks where there's no passing lane.

A designated passenger rail track could haul ass.
Yeah, this is actually a really good idea, save for the Cajon Pass issue. If they double the track and have stations at some towns along the way it could actually generate a hell of a lot of income via the outlet shoppers, and you can keep the trains going both ways at all times.
 
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