Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

MrJokerRager said:
M1 Abrams as far as we have seen in its wartime usage.

The First Gulf War against 1960s era tanks and even downgraded version of a T-72 iirc known as the Asad Babil.
Against some cult with a lot of women and kids involved at Waco.
The Second Gulf War against insurgents armed with IEDs.
The War in Afghanistan against the Talichads and power of Allah.

Lets compared that to the M4 Sherman for lulz.

World War 2 where it fought Panzer 2, Panzer 3, Panzer 4, Panzer 5 Panther, Panzer 6 Tiger, Panzer 8 King Tiger, Jagdtiger, Stug 4.
Korean War against T-34s.
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What's funny is really the biggest thing that fucked Iraqi tanks over was really that they only had the old ass steel core rounds. Those were so shitty that T-72s couldn't even reliably kill other T-72s with them.

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Well that and they used their tanks in hilariously stupid ways.
 
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Fatniggo1488 said:
What's funny is really the biggest thing that fucked Iraqi tanks over was really that they only had the old ass steel core rounds. Those were so shitty that T-72s couldn't even reliably kill other T-72s with them.
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Not even just steel rounds, steel  training rounds, not even designed to penetrate hardened armor. Iraq's armored force was the meme about Soviet quantity>quality brought to life and taken to the extreme. Just an overall laughably poor state of equipment and training.
 
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Got Milk! said:
I know we're all caught up in fishtank and Ralph and bam.margera and everything else happening at the moment but this just popped up for me:

⚡️🤡⚡️The American Abrams tanks transferred to Germany are intended only for training the Ukrainian military, these tanks will not be used in combat, a Pentagon spokesman said. ⚡️🤡⚡️
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What is the point in training on gear that you're never going to use in combat that is radically different from what you are "allegedly" going to use in combat?

"Here guys, train on this sweet new Scar H!"

*Is then deployed to Bakhmut with a clapped out AK-74 and half a magazine of 7n6 that literally has miles on it, in a place where they'll never pick up a Scar H unless they steal one from US Special Forces deployed in the area to "train" you*
 
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Fatniggo1488 said:
Lol I kinda wonder if this has to do with the fuel consumption issues the Abrams has and/or the poor performance it has in deep mud. Honestly US simps freak the fuck out when you bring it up, but the Abrams' actual hull was designed in the 1980s. It's certainly an out of date design and a massive problem it has is that it has basically zero protection against a frontal strike from APFSDS which pretty much every country in the world uses now as their preferred AT round.
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Almost all of the tanks in use today are hulls from the 80s, hell, the Ukrops and Russians are throwing around T-64s, T-72s, and even some T-54s. Thing is, they've all had significant modernization (other than the T-54s, I guess, and modernizing T-62s can only take you so far) , and added protection packages. None of which are being sent to Ukraine, because the modernized variants and these packages are genuinely multiple times as expensive as the base vehicles. A Leopard 2A4 that's getting sent to Ukraine, which is high technology from the 1980s, is around $1.4 million, the modern 2A6/7s come out to 5-10 times that. Some countries are choosing to buy brand new Leopard 2s instead of modernizing their 2A4 variants, and I guess sending the leftovers to Ukraine for good boy points is just a win-win.

Pretty obvious to anyone paying attention, but NATO is cheaping the fuck out on their greatest ally of the week,
 
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Got Milk! said:
I know we're all caught up in fishtank and Ralph and bam.margera and everything else happening at the moment but this just popped up for me:

⚡️🤡⚡️The American Abrams tanks transferred to Germany are intended only for training the Ukrainian military, these tanks will not be used in combat, a Pentagon spokesman said. ⚡️🤡⚡️
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Sounds like a classic US propaganda pump priming of "heads I win, tails you lose":

-M1s get used in combat to great effect? "lol, don't get mad at us, we told them to only use them for training"

-M1s get absolutely BTFO and trashed in combat? "lol, doesn't count they were only training versions without blah blah blah, M1 is still best"
 
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Maybe this is level 100 retard but if I was in Putin's position I think Id keep as few "regular" units on the line and put as much responsibility on wager. Let Ukraine push back and bleed them in the process but make it look like Ukraine is doing fine and doesn't need increased amount of aid. Allow wager to take the fall for the slowed progress then wait for the winter when odds are the westerners will have some other manufactured crisis they will have to deal with and then bring in the trained Siberian troops and shell the hell out of the overextended and exhausted Ukrainians and cut them off at the knees.
 
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MrJokerRager said:
Lets compared that to the M4 Sherman for lulz.

World War 2 where it fought Panzer 2, Panzer 3, Panzer 4, Panzer 5 Panther, Panzer 6 Tiger, Panzer 8 King Tiger, Jagdtiger, Stug 4.
Korean War against T-34s.
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Sherman tanks were used all the way into the 1990s, there was a few scooting around in the Yugoslav shitshow doing their thing just as good as the day they were manufactured. People get caught up too much in "newer is better" and fail to realize that an "obsolete" tank can reduce a structure to rubble just fine. Sure, a Sherman is going to get dispatched into the shadow realm quite quickly if it encounters a modern Battle Tank in a duel, but for almost every other duty required of a tank, the Sherman can get it done, same with the M60. Ukraine's problems aren't derived from the amount of geegaws on the Western provided tanks, its the number of them. I believe the total amount pledged ranges somewhere between 60-100 at this point over years. Which is a fucking drop in the bucket.

Ukraine is fucked because all of the stuff supplied from the West just comes in too slowly and in amounts just large enough to keep their head above water as they get whittled down via attrition. NATO has proven to be a dogshit partner for them, encouraging them to stay in the war but incapable of providing the means to win.
 
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Most european armies are there to prevent other small shitholes from getting ideas. Thry aren't designed to be even a drop in the bucket against Russia.

The Hungarian army is more there to keep the romanian gypsy hands off the land then to fight the giant rabid bear.

The Ukraine was absolutely the strongest kid on the block pre war on par with UK and France, and it didn't stop Igor.
 
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Russian snipers at work. - April 24th, 2023​

Location: unknown / Archive: https://archive.ph/BKv1d

One of the Ukrainians flipped a bird on a Russian sniper and he was shot with a Lobaev TSVL-8 M4 anti-material rifle. Location: unknown/Archive: https://archive.ph/q1aPV

Location: Luhansk Oblast/Archive: https://archive.ph/4vPsE

Location: unknown/Archive: https://archive.ph/J5N6L

Location: Kreminna, Luhansk Oblast/Archive: https://archive.ph/YZNkP
 
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Bakhmut status: Two more weeks.

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Sending men to die just to stick it to Putin, reinforcing once again, the only culture Ukraine has is hating Russia, and Russians.

Look at this petty kike. I hope he and his whore gets the Mussolini treatment.
 
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I can't remember a time where people like furries and redditors were so eager to get involved in playing at war, especially one they don't understand at all. There were probably always people like that and it's the internet adding an unprecedented level of exposure. That's the part that weirds me out, it's not a callous acceptance of the horrors of war by veterans or psychopaths, but Tiktok streamers looking for Internet Clout. The upside is the unique situation of so much more first hand media being available and hopefully archived. It's going to be especially critical if the war is continuously forced to escalate in order to obscure the truth.
 
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Gondola Enjoyer said:
Almost all of the tanks in use today are hulls from the 80s, hell, the Ukrops and Russians are throwing around T-64s, T-72s, and even some T-54s. Thing is, they've all had significant modernization (other than the T-54s, I guess, and modernizing T-62s can only take you so far) , and added protection packages. None of which are being sent to Ukraine, because the modernized variants and these packages are genuinely multiple times as expensive as the base vehicles. A Leopard 2A4 that's getting sent to Ukraine, which is high technology from the 1980s, is around $1.4 million, the modern 2A6/7s come out to 5-10 times that. Some countries are choosing to buy brand new Leopard 2s instead of modernizing their 2A4 variants, and I guess sending the leftovers to Ukraine for good boy points is just a win-win.

Pretty obvious to anyone paying attention, but NATO is cheaping the fuck out on their greatest ally of the week,
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Makes sense, balancing structure, aerodynamics and internal ergonomics doesn't need bleeding edge technology.

BTW, is it true that Russia has used exactly the same engine in all its tanks for decades? I'm assuming LazerPig is just being an idiot again, but it kind of would simplify maintenance.
StudMccool said:
Let Ukraine push back and bleed them in the process
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No, the propangandists would be able to ramp up justifications for more arms to "Finish the fight".
attractive_pneumonia said:
if it encounters a modern Battle Tank in a duel,
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Only slightly more likely to be killed by Nessie or Bigfoot these days.
Feline Supremacist said:
I hope he and his whore gets the Mussolini treatment.
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Mussolini was stripped of his position by the Italian parliament and detained, Democracy/Accountability is dead in Ikealand.
Z-man is instead post-arrest Mussolini, a puppet held at gunpoint by bellicose aliens.
 
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