Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Maybe this is level 100 retard but if I was in Putin's position I think Id keep as few "regular" units on the line and put as much responsibility on wager. Let Ukraine push back and bleed them in the process but make it look like Ukraine is doing fine and doesn't need increased amount of aid. Allow wager to take the fall for the slowed progress then wait for the winter when odds are the westerners will have some other manufactured crisis they will have to deal with and then bring in the trained Siberian troops and shell the hell out of the overextended and exhausted Ukrainians and cut them off at the knees.
1)The problem with a feigned retreat is if you're not careful it can all too quickly become an actual retreat, this would especially be the case if the MOD blatantly just hangs Wagner out to dry. These people are mercs, mercs are in it for themselves, they're not gonna keep holding if it becomes obvious they're getting fucked over, they're gonna loot everything they can and simply fuck off.
2)You're assuming if the West saw Ukraine winning they'd decide they don't need more aid when they could just as easily see Ukraine winning and decide to ramp the aid up since it'd be clearly working.
3)Letting Ukraine get basically any wins is a massive loss of a face for Russia which is a big no-no.
 
Because "Russia advanced another 2 apartment buildings in Bakhmut today" for the last 2 months (TWO MORE WEEKS CULDROON) is fucking boring and we Westoids with our 2 second attention spans DEMAND CONTONT
I can't do the vatnigger delusion insanity. Their support for the Russian side is cringe inducing but the real problem is the delusion. Their inability and refusal to admit that Russia is losing. Sure, go ahead and cheer for Russia and be a cringe inducing faggot. But don't act like you are better than the cringey faggots that do it for Ukraine. Now just admit Russia is losing. It's not that hard. No one should be that involved that they can't admit one side is losing. That's just weird as fuck.

The whole war itself has been kind of boring except for the first few months. Then after that it's just small events that were interesting. Like when the Ukrainians pushed the Russians out of the areas they were controlling after they invaded. Also getting to watch Ukrainians put an explosive device through the sunroof of a car was cool. I really like the videos where they try to drop a device through the hatch of a tank's turret. Those are the little things that make it interesting. But it got boring for most people when it bogged down to trench warfare bombing with drones and Russian just lobbing artillery. It also doesn't help that the Russians were basically censored off the internet so you can't see any of their stuff on Western sites. Not that I imagine they are doing anything much more interesting than the Ukrainians. Just hiding in holes trying not to get hit by drones.

It would be more interesting if the Russians had put up more of a fight. At this point it just seems one sided. Like watching a sports event where one team is getting beaten really hard. It doesn't make for an interesting game or anything really. It's like watching the Russians get defeated slowly. People in the West have plenty of entertainment and distractions. We are also used to how the US fights wars. We just expect it to be fast and really chaotic. The 2003 invasion of Iraq was interesting the first few months. Then when it turned into an insurgency it got kind of boring. I am sure it's not boring for the people involved in the wars. But as a spectator it's boring. People probably expected the war in Ukraine to be more exciting and move quicker than it has.

Hopefully the Ukrainians do their offensive soon. It's been pretty boring the last few months.
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That's like when the niggers here in the US get mad because the Mexicans are getting welfare. LOL
 
Are you saying the only thing between the UAF in Kherson and the Isthmus of Perekop is a national guard brigade and a motor rifle brigade that was put on reserve duty due to high casualties?

I guess Russia is hoping the Dnieper Wall can keep the Ukrainians out. Yes, I barely managed to keep from laughing considering big the actual frontage at Kherson is. This is why I was thinking they could pull off a leg infantry landing to the North to get a beachhead, and if there's no/little resistance, start barging over Jeeps and the like. Can go full Toyota War on the Russian forces in Kherson or maneuver to support a push from Zaporizhia. Dangerous and near-suicidal either way if things go tits up, but that's what the Azov guys volunteered for.

@Corporate Gigachad has the situation pretty well covered : yes, its a bunch of wrekt mobiks, but they are doing the defending and they have have defenses in depth. Those mobliks, with multiple rows of defenses to retreat to, don't need to win they just need to hold out for the main group to head west into the Ukrainian flank, and have quite a bit of ground over which to do that.

Addtionally, the further they do from Kherson city, the further they are from Anti-Air and the closer they are to Russian airstrikes. They are also further from Neptunes to the point the BSF might get an opportunity to do something this war besides turn into artificial reefs. Even if their landing ships couldn't land or evacuate troops, they do have ground attack missiles.

The risk is you cross the Dnieper, and push the Russian forces back to the isthmus... and then you get bodied from the east by a bunch of armor, with their back to the sea. Its like what we're hoping happens with an attack on Melitopol, only in reverse. And its worse because Russia has nominal control of the seas.

If you are Ukraine and don't want that to happen, you would need to blitz so hard those Mobiks can't respond fast enough. You probably need to take the main Crimean airfield too. You'd also need to set up multiple hardened bridges, enough you can keep feeding bullets and bodies into the fray to hold out, and Russia can't just cut your lines via missile.

Also don't forget Russia also has some Guide-Missile submarines in the Black Sea, we just haven't seen them do anything yet. And again, a mechanized push into Kherson Oblast with targetable bridges is the sort of thing that would get those subs to blow their load.

Regarding barging armor over, I don't believe there is any significant shipping left afloat on the river.

Maybe this is level 100 retard but if I was in Putin's position I think Id keep as few "regular" units on the line and put as much responsibility on wager. Let Ukraine push back and bleed them in the process but make it look like Ukraine is doing fine and doesn't need increased amount of aid. Allow wager to take the fall for the slowed progress then wait for the winter when odds are the westerners will have some other manufactured crisis they will have to deal with and then bring in the trained Siberian troops and shell the hell out of the overextended and exhausted Ukrainians and cut them off at the knees.

This gives Wagner political clout and makes the Chef a potent political oponent, in addition to the other issues mentioned.
 
I've seen similar shit in a local job-seeking group for foreigners. Someone posted a job opening for Ukrainians (language courses are even thrown in) and swarthy men of all ages started whining that "Ukrainians get everything", while they "have to pay taxes and get stuck in shit jobs".
To be fair, specifically outlining that the job openings were for Ukrainians is a big no-no, so they'll probably get some legal trouble soon.
I find it really fun that black/middle easten migratns are bitching over Ukranines "take their jeebss!".
Well, no shit, they are actually working and have skills. They aren't also running around raping children in gangs.
I would be perfectly happy if my country took in 100k Ukrainas, if that meant we send all of the fake asylum seekers back to their country.
 
I find it really fun that black/middle easten migratns are bitching over Ukranines "take their jeebss!".
Well, no shit, they are actually working and have skills. They aren't also running around raping children in gangs.
I would be perfectly happy if my country took in 100k Ukrainas, if that meant we send all of the fake asylum seekers back to their country.
One thing I never get is when Europeans, especially G*rmans bitch about the likes of Polish immigrants and Ukrainian refugees. Not only would I take the company of Central Europeans over Rape ape Africans and Hajis, I would absolutely trade all our gutter trash mystery meat immigrants in the States with some Europeans. It must be a case of them being white skinned people and thus politically correct to bitch about, while saying anything wrong about Ahmed will land you some hard jail time.
 
So russians have announced that they been using t-14 as indirect fire support and have yet to engage any direct missions. My money is that it's bullshit since they won't risk it after the whole terminator fiasco let alone t-90M, but hypotheticaly how long till it gets poped or worse captured 1682417767572345m.jpg
 
@Ghostse I can’t quote your post but it’s unlikely a Kherson crossing will happen without a thrust down south also happening around the same time. The problem with the current Russian defense in depth structure is they simply don’t have enough forces to act as fire brigades in many areas, or the training to actually conduct a retreat under fire to the next position 7 or 8 km back. ISW assesses that this would mostly have to be done by poorly trained and motivated conscripts on foot meaning a thrust from Kherson on top of a breakthrough in the south would effectively collapse the entire Russian defensive plan for Crimea and possibly cause a panic elsewhere.
 
One thing I never get is when Europeans, especially G*rmans bitch about the likes of Polish immigrants and Ukrainian refugees. Not only would I take the company of Central Europeans over Rape ape Africans and Hajis, I would absolutely trade all our gutter trash mystery meat immigrants in the States with some Europeans. It must be a case of them being white skinned people and thus politically correct to bitch about, while saying anything wrong about Ahmed will land you some hard jail time.
G*rmans don't really bitch about Slavic immigrants. The UK with their idotic Brexit move was the only time I really saw an Anti Slavic Mainstream position in EuROPE. It's true, that many business owner Jews in the West see them as their niggers but the average Westerner preffers them a gozillion times over Syrians and all the other absolute bottom barrel of humanity trash we recive via the Med Sea. I honestly can't even differentiate the Ukie refugees from the Poloks and Balkanos we have here already. Same thing on the other side of the border in Germany. They have 1.035.000 of them now and they are close to invisible.

On the web I somehow only found Ir*ish people who engaged in this cucked mentality.
 
Their support for the Russian side is cringe inducing but the real problem is the delusion. Their inability and refusal to admit that Russia is losing. Sure, go ahead and cheer for Russia and be a cringe inducing faggot. But don't act like you are better than the cringey faggots that do it for Ukraine. Now just admit Russia is losing. It's not that hard. No one should be that involved that they can't admit one side is losing. That's just weird as fuck.
I mean, if you want to win a war you need to be honest about the situation.

This is like Roman messengers reporting the disaster at Cannae but the Senate just blows them off and draws fake pictures of Carthagianan ships being sunk to share on Telegramus.
 
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If only there was a laughter emote. That sort of African is normally at the front of the queue for social housing in Éire. Far better to give them to Eastern Euro white people who prefer to work rather than sponge. Go back and chuck spears at lions if she isn't happy.
 
If only there was a laughter emote. That sort of African is normally at the front of the queue for social housing in Éire. Far better to give them to Eastern Euro white people who prefer to work rather than sponge. Go back and chuck spears at lions if she isn't happy.
I would like to see the landlord who breathed a sigh of relief when he was the refugees assigned to his properties weren't African/Arab.
 
If this is right I am going to laugh my ass off too. I know I posited the theory that Russia pulled too much shit away from the Kherson line but a part of me still believed they would not be so foolish. If it turns out they are three sheets to the wind in KHERSON instead of Zaporzhia, Donetsk or Luhansk they are in deep shit. That is the one part of the front they absolutely cannot afford to give ground in.

Never mind isolating Crimea. If Ukraine breaks out into Kherson province south of the Dnieper they have a straight line to Crimea bypassing the bulk of the Russian Army entirely.

ISW seems as flabbergasted. Apparently there are reports of UAF troops within 500 meters of the town of Oleshky on the left bank of the Dneiper. They are chalking this up to fog of war for now. But they are wondering why Russia has started shelling the entire area they ostensibly claim to control

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I cannot understand why RU seem willing to risk the loss of territory by going all dicks out for Bakhmut which'll allow UA to fuck with the supply lines for Crimea (including the North Crimean canal built in the 70s supplying most of Crimea's water) at relative leisure and ease.
 
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So russians have announced that they been using t-14 as indirect fire support and have yet to engage any direct missions. My money is that it's bullshit since they won't risk it after the whole terminator fiasco let alone t-90M, but hypotheticaly how long till it gets poped or worse captured View attachment 5085514
Why is Russia using the best tank ever made as a mortar? Seems like a waste of resources.
 
Image/video dump incoming

Close fighting for the road to Bakhmut, with Azov's 3rs OShBr (storm/assault brigade); compilation of drone & soldier videos

They're really putting the polish on these videos, with better music than most.

Now-famous footage of the same brigade (different battalion), taken by one of Magyar's birds several days ago:

And speaking of Magyar, this is their stockpile of donated drones; something tells me nothing like this exists in the Russian world, nor will it ever.
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Thought I had today watching Russian talking heads on TV discuss American politics during their circlejerk session.
You can probably expect a lot more "anti-war" types to pop up as next presidential elections are nearing in the United States. I get the feeling this time Russiagate is going to be more than asinine libtard cope, now Kremlin actually has a serious reason to intervene in US politics as much as they can in order to rob Ukraine of Western support.
Kremlin spares no expense on bribes, you can be sure of that, and of course kompromat to control people and sink their opponents. And I can bet a lot of sleazy politicians can smell the green coming their way. It's going to be interesting for sure.

Something worth discussing I think.
 
Thought I had today watching Russian talking heads on TV discuss American politics during their circlejerk session.
You can probably expect a lot more "anti-war" types to pop up as next presidential elections are nearing in the United States. I get the feeling this time Russiagate is going to be more than asinine libtard cope, now Kremlin actually has a serious reason to intervene in US politics as much as they can in order to rob Ukraine of Western support.
Kremlin spares no expense on bribes, you can be sure of that, and of course kompromat to control people and sink their opponents. And I can bet a lot of sleazy politicians can smell the green coming their way. It's going to be interesting for sure.

Something worth discussing I think.
Unfortunately for Russia (and the USA) the transition to an unelected Oligarchy in the USA was silently accomplished over the last 50 years. Most government policy and application is done at the level of under secretaries and senior GSA pay grade beaurocrats. The actual elected politicians role in this system is to rubber stamp the documents put in front of them and pantomime for the cameras.

It's not quite reached the final form where the system is entrenched, but you can bet your ass if any US president is elected on a platform of stopping support for Ukraine he will never be able to implement such a change. Keep in Mind Trump tried to end US involvement in Syria and the Defense Department just straight up refused to obey
 
Damn, was the dude next to him already dead?
There's longer video from them fighting Russians over layers of their corpses from previous failed assaults. Many of those trench complexes have been lost & retaken dozens of times over the past few months, particularly along that road. Occasionally a dead Ukrainian is seen but those are generally from the same day, since they generally try to recover their dead (particularly Azov).

I can still remember what a dead haji smelled like after hours in the sun of being rolled over by multiple convoys, along with the one who got nailed at the wire near our compound & rolled into a ditch (for several days, his brothers declined to recover his body, so he must've not been a very good Muslim). So I try not to imagine the stench in those trenches since it triggers the 'ol ptsd.... but it's got to be hellish, especially as the ground thaws for those who aren't scent blind from living in it.
 
Now just admit Russia is losing. It's not that hard. No one should be that involved that they can't admit one side is losing.
Russia is underperforming badly, but it's too early to say they're losing. They still hold a lot of territory they took in their initial pushes, and might be making incremental progress in some places. I've said before that this is a war of relative attrition rates, and we have yet to see who ends up burning out first. It's important to not become a reverse-vatnik.
 
Russia is underperforming badly, but it's too early to say they're losing. They still hold a lot of territory they took in their initial pushes, and might be making incremental progress in some places. I've said before that this is a war of relative attrition rates, and we have yet to see who ends up burning out first. It's important to not become a reverse-vatnik.
Will the price Russia has paid so far ever see an equivalent return?
 
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