Serial killer fangirls

Having a fascination with serial killers is one thing; sympathizing with them is a whole other world.
Jeffery Dahmer and the Columine killers fascinated me back when I was a young teen after watching documentaries on them - it's interesting to know what makes someone go from an innocent little child to a psychopath and how they messed their lives up.

Boston Bomber got a fanbase, as well.
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Because Rodger was a MRA-Monster, but Bundy et al are just victims of the patriarchy..... all you have to do is rationalize the hell out of things until the definitions eventually line up.... it's so easy anyone can do it!
 
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How can you be a radfem feminist who despises the likes of Elliot Rodger but at the same time want to fuck Bundy or Dammer? It's just too contradicting!
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TowinKarz said:
Because Rodger was a MRA-Monster, but Bundy et al are just victims of the patriarchy..... all you have to do is rationalize the hell out of things until the definitions eventually line up.... it's so easy anyone can do it!
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Also the misogynistic crap bundy said is not as well documented and in large forgotten
 
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autisticdragonkin said:
Also the misogynistic crap bundy said is not as well documented and in large forgotten
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Bundy used to visit the corpses of his victims to have sex with them, over and over until the corpse was too rotted to rape. He even used makeup on the cadavers to try and make them seem more lifelike. I'm not inclined to think that any misogynist statements he made are worth paying much mind to, except from a psychological study point of view. I'd personally think that murder and necrophilia should be more than enough in themselves to make it clear that he wasn't a nice man. If you have to point out to someone that Bundy said mean things about women, it's a Darwin Awards candidate right there. Just point her towards the nearest maximum security during a jail break and the gene pool will become moderately cleaner.
 
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Bundy was also a consummate liar and charmer, both typical of sociopaths. He had a knack for feeling out his audience and pulling the right strings to make them feel maximum sympathy for him, but, since it wasn't genuine, his own explanations for his behavior varied wildly as he tried to say exactly what he thought his psychiatrists and defenders wanted to hear.

In the time he spent on death row between conviction and execution, he blamed EVERYTHING from violent movies and TV to unloving parents to overexposure to pornography for his behavior, utterly unaware that anyone more than a few steps back could see he couldn't keep a straight story and was just grasping at whatever he thought might save him from the chair. That's another feature of sociopaths, believing that the average person is so dumb they won't notice the contradictions in their story

Accordingly, only the very young and naive (fangirls) or the occasional person with an agenda who could fit one of Bundy's many it-wasn't-my-faults into their narrative (anti-porn crusaders, cranky pop psych types) treated him with any sympathy up to or since his execution. Which he thoroughly deserved.
 
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TowinKarz said:
Bundy was also a consummate liar and charmer, both typical of sociopaths. He had a knack for feeling out his audience and pulling the right strings to make them feel maximum sympathy for him, but, since it wasn't genuine, his own explanations for his behavior varied wildly as he tried to say exactly what he thought his psychiatrists and defenders wanted to hear.

In the time he spent on death row between conviction and execution, he blamed EVERYTHING from violent movies and TV to unloving parents to overexposure to pornography for his behavior, utterly unaware that anyone more than a few steps back could see he couldn't keep a straight story and was just grasping at whatever he thought might save him from the chair. That's another feature of sociopaths, believing that the average person is so dumb they won't notice the contradictions in their story

Accordingly, only the very young and naive (fangirls) or the occasional person with an agenda who could fit one of Bundy's many it-wasn't-my-faults into their narrative (anti-porn crusaders, cranky pop psych types) treated him with any sympathy up to or since his execution. Which he thoroughly deserved.
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Absolutely. I've probably mentioned this before, but Ann Rule's The Stranger Beside Me is an excellent, frighteningly first hand account of just how changeable Bundy was according to the people around him, according to what he wanted from them. What he wanted ranged from violence, to money, to the simple, 'minor' power trip he got from pulling off a random lie. In the preface of her revised edition, she listed the most common questions that she's received time and time again about Bundy. Two in particular stand out: What was Bundy's real personality? Rule doesn't know, and she believes that even Bundy himself didn't know. The second question: Was Bundy a nice person aside from the rape, murder, fraud, arson, jaywalking and necrophilia? Rule's answer was a simple and concise, "No."

In a way it's fascinating that even though Bundy was executed long before most of these girls (and boys) were born and his crimes are thoroughly documented, he still has groupies. Is it because they're sexually attracted to the violence? Are they simply kids who've taken an interest in violent crime and have egged each other on to become edge lords flaunting the ultimate bad boy on their arm? Are they still genuinely taken in by a charming man, despite the fact that the fucker's been dead for decades and the hundreds, thousands of fictions that he wove about himself have all been listed and compared against each other? Are they psychopaths themselves, idolising the stunning overachiever in things that they themselves want desperately to do, but have at least a minimum amount of brain cells to realise that in the modern world, making even a single kill without tripping over a security camera or being convicted on the basis of a single shed eyelash requires a metric fuckton of planing, or at the very least a metric fuckton of luck and the disposable, easily missed chronic runaways, drug addicts, prostitutes, mentally ill derelicts on the street? Do they think that they, and only they, could somehow have redeemed and reformed him with The Power Of Love?

Are they just really, really fucking stupid?
 
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I think part of it is the distance Bundy's crimes have now as opposed to 30 years ago. You say "Bundy" and you get the image of him, either the smooth talking self-representing lawyer or the death row inmate seeking pity, there's lots of archived media of that, he was very photogenic.

What there isn't, is photos of his victims, or the crime scenes where he killed them. He is sort of disassociated from his crimes, he's known as a killer, but, having killed so many, ironically, his victims just become a blur. You can easily forget them and just focus on the only person in the story who's still alive, and talking.... I think that's what's behind a LOT of this killer worship, the killer is more relatable simply because they still exist, their victims exist only in abstracts unless you knew them personally.
 
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TowinKarz said:
I think part of it is the distance Bundy's crimes have now as opposed to 30 years ago. You say "Bundy" and you get the image of him, either the smooth talking self-representing lawyer or the death row inmate seeking pity, there's lots of archived media of that, he was very photogenic.

What there isn't, is photos of his victims, or the crime scenes where he killed them. He is sort of disassociated from his crimes, he's known as a killer, but, having killed so many, ironically, his victims just become a blur. You can easily forget them and just focus on the only person in the story who's still alive, and talking.... I think that's what's behind a LOT of this killer worship, the killer is more relatable simply because they still exist, their victims exist only in abstracts unless you knew them personally.
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I do vaguely remember reading about a surviving victim of a serial killer recounting how she's been asked for her autograph like she was some random celebrity. She was struck on the head and the killer thought she was dead, but she either managed to get away somehow or else the killer just did his thing and then moved on, not realising that she was still alive. But buggered if I can remember who and it was, however, so I can't substantiate it. But if true, it shows that to at least some of the groupies, a victim isn't a victim, but more of an honourary groupie like themselves.
 
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glass_houses said:
In a way it's fascinating that even though Bundy was executed long before most of these girls (and boys) were born and his crimes are thoroughly documented, he still has groupies. Is it because they're sexually attracted to the violence? Are they simply kids who've taken an interest in violent crime and have egged each other on to become edge lords flaunting the ultimate bad boy on their arm? Are they still genuinely taken in by a charming man, despite the fact that the fucker's been dead for decades and the hundreds, thousands of fictions that he wove about himself have all been listed and compared against each other? Are they psychopaths themselves, idolising the stunning overachiever in things that they themselves want desperately to do, but have at least a minimum amount of brain cells to realise that in the modern world, making even a single kill without tripping over a security camera or being convicted on the basis of a single shed eyelash requires a metric fuckton of planing, or at the very least a metric fuckton of luck and the disposable, easily missed chronic runaways, drug addicts, prostitutes, mentally ill derelicts on the street? Do they think that they, and only they, could somehow have redeemed and reformed him with The Power Of Love?
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Probably all of the above. Someone like Bundy is a void of a person with absolutely nothing actually there, so similarly broken people feel compelled to project their own desires on this blank canvas. Bob Keppel, who interviewed and investigated Bundy and got him to confess to several previously unknown killings, described Bundy like this:

“I’ve always believed that these guys’ personalities were lower than dirt. If you could believe that there was something to them and looked inside their brain, what you would see about their lifestyle would be nothing more than a black hole. There would be pieces meandering about with this killer’s mind trying to grab on to these pieces but there would never be a structure there, there would never be a method by which they would survive. They’re untreatable. They cannot undergo any reclamation whatsoever because of this scattered black hole that I see them in. They grab onto a piece then they go off and kill somebody and they kill that piece. Then they grab for another one and kill again until there are not enough pieces to put together in their psyche at all. It’s just not there for them to survive. That’s why I came up with that black hole theory.”
 
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