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That Wired journalist is such a seething slimeball. His attempts to pathologise Sanderson’s writing routine are batshit. Sanderson has said previously that he’s not a fast writer but rather an incredibly consistent writer. Just because it took this so-called professional writer numerous months to write a 4k article doesn’t mean other writers are equally as slow or that anything faster must be trash.

He just reeks of envy and bitterness.

I’ve mentioned elsewhere on KF (probably this sub forum) that I’ve been attempting to write lately and even my novice part-time efforts are producing words way faster than this Wired journalist. Pretty embarrassing for him really.
 
Wasn't sure where to post this but thought you all might like it. Redditor's famous YA author friend is an illnessfaker and racebaiter:


10 year long friendship with a faker / compulsive liar​

Storytime
I realize that this is a text dump, sorry lol. It's a pretty fresh, emotional situation but I'm trying to not just let it become an unreadable vent post. Bare with me. It gets whacky towards the end.
When was a teen, I fell into tumblr and other social media spaces for support. However, I found that I got sucked into the toxic corner of these spaces that look a lot like twitter / tiktok etc. look now. Like a lot of people, I matured and moved on with my life. Once you have the resources to control your own life, move out of your toxic environment, etc. you usually outgrow unhealthy coping mechanisms like that.
However, I still kept a friend around from back then. They were honestly pretty chill for years. Maybe some less than nuanced politics, a bit dramatic, and a few red flags I likely missed due to inexperience. But I would say that this person had painted a very dramatic picture of themselves form the start. Often bragging about past trauma and unfair treatment in a very bombastic way. They would identify as neurodiverse in a vague way as well (self-dx autistic iirc) but I didn't think much of it at the time. It didn't take over their entire personality and I forget the details.
They ended up writing a YA novel, published, and nominated for a few awards, becoming a very minor celebrity in a certain niche of the writing community. That's the point where shit seemed to spiral out of control. Or at least where I picked up on it. From what I could tell, they became very involved in online relationships and very tight-knit discord groups very fixed on niche identity politics but also verging into conspiracy theories and dangerous levels of health misinfo. Full credit to my partner for picking up on certain behaviors I had basically been gaslit into accepting over the years. Shit has included:
- Claiming random dx, probably 10+ or so at varying points. Bringing up a new one whenever we'd speak, each with a new, dramatic story that never came up again. Basically spent 3 years saying they were "looking into" finding a new therapist, but also claiming to have recent diagnoses of different disorders every week. DID, bipolar, schizoaffective, schizotypal, schizophrenia, autism, ADHD, sensory disorders, the whole bingo card.
- Generally rips off details from tiktoks, fiction, and experiences others have shared to spin extremely improbable (sometimes literally impossible) stories that, again, get dropped in a few weeks when they have moved on to a new piece of fiction or interest. Usually media aimed at children / teens. Sometimes the stories are spiritual in nature, and seems to use neo-pagan beliefs as a justification to claim extreme things like psychic abilities. However the abilities change and line up with whatever media they are into at the time eg. Encanto.
- Dove extremely into the idea of themselves as an oppressed neurodiverse minority, justifying random behaviors (some of which I would consider neglect to the point of self harm) by saying "I can't shower, brush my hair, brush my teeth, etc. because I have (insert random problem here)" but refused to seek help from family, hire a care worker (they are wealthy enough from publishing to go on multiple international vacations yearly) or do literally anything to address the issue.
- Doctors are oppressors. Everything is the fault of society, doctors, or others. This led them to make some genuinely dangerous health decisions which I won't detail. But they are ALWAYS a powerless victim and you can not challenge this view.
- Race faking. This is a weird one. In the past they wrote a Chinese character, recognized that this was not their experience, and hired a sensitivity reader. It was the right call and it was well researched. Then, they got deeply into Chinese danmei (boys love) fandom, as well as obsessing over Kpop. Just then they "discovered" a Chinese great-grandparent. Eventually I felt a little creeped out when they started saying shit about gay men that crossed the line for me. Randomly snapped "but I am literally Chinese!!" as a defense, and claimed that they imagined that their ancestor was watching BL with them as a spiritual way to reconnect. That was the point I decided to hard cut ties because it was so offensive and delusional.
I think I deadass need therapy after the way this whole thing spiraled off the deep end. Holy shit. I thought maybe I could be a positive influence and ground this person a little, since they were an old friend and clearly struggling with *something* even if not the exotic disorders being claimed. But nope! Any attempts to confront were met with denial, gaslighting, evasion, and guilt tripping. You can't help people who don't want to be helped.
 
Also Barker and Martin both have the cleared-cheque profit share $ not the amazon series option $...

I can see how it's annoying if you're waiting for series closure, but ageing + health issues + financially stable is a fair enough reason to quit a long term work project.

and Barker really can't write longer than (excellent) short stories and Martin should probably look more than 100 pages ahead
Speaking of series in limbo..... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Against_the_Chtorr
This one is a 24 YEAR wait and counting for the 5th and sixth book.

24 YEARS
 
Speaking of series in limbo..... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Against_the_Chtorr
This one is a 24 YEAR wait and counting for the 5th and sixth book.

24 YEARS
He wrote Deathbeast
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Larry Corriea wrote an open letter(archive)to epic fantasy fans, reproduced below, and calls George fat and lazy and Rothuss a lazy liar. Then he hammers fantasy fans for hurting other authors who didn't do anything wrong, its really good, give it a read.
Consider this an intervention.

Listen, epic fantasy readers, real talk time. I know you had a good thing going with George. At the beginning of your relationship there seemed like there was so much potential there, like he really cared, and he’d provide a satisfactory end to your relationship. Only George is fat and lazy, and once he got that sweet sweet HBO money, he didn’t need you anymore. So then you turned to Pat, only he was even sleazier, gas lighting you, promising you a new chapter if you paid his rent, stringing you along for a decade.

So now you’re bitter because you’ve been burned by these two bums. No more abusive relationships for you! All men… er, I mean, epic fantasy authors, are untrustworthy scum, who’ll never seal the deal, and you’re never gonna date/read again! You’re only gonna read epic fantasy series once they’re complete! I ain’t reading nothing unless they put a ring on it! That’s right, epic fantasy authors, don’t come sniffing around here unless your epic 5 or 7 book series is already done!

You sit there with the salty tears leaving mascara trails down your cheeks, drinking your box wine, bitterly posting about how all fantasy authors are trash and you’ll never try their books, because you’ve been burned before! And then you act surprised when no new epic fantasy writers show up to court you…

Alright, enough of that tortured analogy crap. Let’s get down to business.

George R.R. Martin and Patrick Rothfuss have totally fucked over an entire generation of new authors. That will be their real legacy. They wrote some books that got super popular. These books dominated their genres for a lot of years, and hundreds of thousands of readers were glued to them, waiting for the next installment. Only because they are both apathetic sacks of shit with zero work ethic, their fans have been left waiting for over a decade for them to fulfill their promises.

Only this post ain’t about them. I don’t know what makes up the assortment of their particular bag of nuts, or why they suck at doing their jobs now. As a writer who has retained his dairy farmer roots interpretation of what it means to have a work ethic, fuck those guys.

I’m here to talk about you. The readers. The customers. The folks who pay the bills and keep the publisher’s lights on.

Get over it.

I’ve written before about how the whole “unwritten contracts” thing between authors and fans is bullshit. They don’t owe you anything, but they made promises and burned them, so you’re right to be pissed at them.

Only you aren’t taking your anger out on them. Oh no. Thanks to HBO George has got Cheeto money until he dies. People still give Pat lots of money for some charity or something. Beats me.

The people who are getting fucked because of your righteous anger aren’t the assholes who let you down. It’s the entire generation of fantasy authors who came after them.

These authors haven’t wronged you, because you destroyed their careers before they even had the chance.

This post came about because of some conversations I’ve had recently with a bunch of other fantasy authors, so once again it falls on me to be the one to tell people the ugly truth that everybody else is either too polite or scared to.

I had put up some goofy ass reviews from Amazon where various dipshits were whining about how they loved the book, but ONE STAR because the series wasn’t done yet, and something bad might happen that could prevent the series from getting finished.

Well no fucking shit. Forgive authors for not being immortal.

Bragging about not trying new authors unless their series are finished has become stylish. It’s a fucking meme.

But anyways I ended up talking to a bunch of other authors about this, and it was the exact same thing across the board. They write an epic fantasy, and then people don’t buy it because they’re scared it isn’t going to get finished. This has even leaked over into sci-fi. I can’t speak for thrillers or other genres, and I can only hope that those authors aren’t getting burned too because their most famous guy turned to shit or died.

The issue is if nobody buys book 1, then I can absolutely fucking guarantee that the series isn’t gonna get done, because no author is stupid enough to waste a decade of his life not making any money, in the off chance you fickle bastards *might* give it a shot when he’s done.

Let me break this down for you.

Depending on authors, it takes about 6 months to a year of nonstop effort to produce a good epic fantasy novel. Some of us it takes a lot longer. (it doesn’t take any of us a decade, and whoever is telling you that is full of shit). We can make books faster, but the faster you rush an artistic product, the rougher it is gonna be. And epic fantasy is one of those genres where the customer is accustomed to a certain level of quality. So if you do the churn and burn, book of the month indy thing, you might get sales, but nobody is gonna remember that series. When most of us tackle a big epic fantasy series, that’s the thing we’re hoping will stick around and still get read after we’re dead.

Epic Fantasy is a genre that’s also based on fat books and long series. Both of which take time to create.

Now here’s the ugly facts of life. Let’s say there’s a new, unestablished author, who really wants to write an epic fantasy. Let’s even say he’s fucking brilliant. This guy is potentially the next Tolkien/Howard/Sanderson/Erickson/Donaldson/(insert whoever your favorite is here). He’s really that good. He sits in a chair for one year of his life, planning a five book series magnum opus, then pours thousands of hours into a manuscript and writes an epic fantasy novel that’s brilliant. It’s amazing. It’s fucking gold.

He publishes this amazing book… and then a bunch of snide fucks go hur dur I got burned by George RR Martin, so I’m not gonna give any new authors a chance, and that author with potential for greatness ranks in the two million range on Amazon and makes just enough money in sales off that year of labor to buy dinner at Applebee’s.

Now what are the odds this guy is gonna be able to spend another 8,000 hours of nearly unpaid labor to finish that series, while also being broke and poor?

Near zero.

I made one guarantee above. Here’s another. I can promise you with absolute certainty that there are some brilliant authors out there, who you will never read, and never see, and never hear of, because their careers died when their first book was a commercial failure. Whole careers were aborted before they ever had a chance to get started because the market is bitter at a couple of lazy fat fucks.

Just imagine the stories we have all been deprived of. The next Tolkien was right there. Only because you were ass mad at Patrick Rothfuss, Tolkien 2 had to hang up his dreams of being an author and go back to work at the RV dealership because he’s got alimony checks to pay.

This business is difficult to break into at the best of times. It’s harder when the customers are punishing the new guys because they’re pissed off at a billionaire with a stupid hat and scraggly beard.

Now full disclosure, because my regular detractors are gonna claim that this post is because I’m personally bitter, I’m doing fine. I’m 4 books into a 5 book epic fantasy, that’ll be 10 years from beginning to end, but it actually sells pretty good, and I’m successful in multiple genres already. I dodged the stupid Martin/Rothfuss kiss of death because I’ve been doing this long enough I had lots of fans I brought over from writing urban fantasy first. So when I get those whining crybabies talking about how they can’t read Son of the Black Sword until the whole series is done, that makes for amusing Facebook fodder for me to mock for the fans enjoyment, but it doesn’t make enough financial difference for me to actually give a shit.

Guys like me are fine.

Guys like Brandon Sanderson are SUPER FINE. Like piles of money fine. He’s built a fan base that trusts him. This is extra ironic because he owes his career to stepping in to finish another famous author’s series when he died. (and sadly I see assholes lumping Jordan in with Rothfuss and Martin… are you fucking kidding me? Jordan DIED. Rothfuss and Martin are alive but lazy. These things are not the same)

Guys who got established and built fan bases before GRRM smothered epic fantasy with a pillow are good to go.

But guys like I was talking to last week? The new guys? The guys who aren’t bringing thousands of readers with them already? They’re fucked.

I was talking to a friend of mine who just had book 1 of his epic fantasy come out last year. He got endless whining from entitled dicks about Rothfuss and Martin. His sales were okay, enough he can justify number 2 and hope it picks up. He’s one of the lucky ones. His publishing house now desperately picks up authors, tosses a book 1 out there in the hope it sticks, and when it usually doesn’t, the publisher just boots that author, then tries again with the new flavor of the week.

There’s another author I know who did a fantasy trilogy. His reviews and buzz were amazing. His covers were fantastic. Wide distro and good marketing. Book one sold meh. But he was in a financial position that he could keep pushing. Book two sold a bit better, and dragged book one up, as some more people thought okay maybe this guy isn’t a quitter. Again, he stuck it out because he could. Book three finished the trilogy, and then there was a huge spike. Sales took off, and the market breathed a sigh of relief and said, this guy isn’t Pat Rothfuss!

Well no shit. Because the vast overwhelming majority of us aren’t Pat Rothfuss. So quit fucking treating us like we are.

Now, imagine that last author wasn’t in a personal financial position where he could continue investing thousands of hours into labor into something which hadn’t had a positive ROI? Or what if it was supposed to be a 5 book series instead of 3? This arbitrary don’t buy until it is done nonsense, assures that the only people who can stick to it are people with a lot of money from something else… because gee whiz, when you think of the best authors in history, you think of the ones who were rich and sheltered trust fund babies with no life experience!

I’ve written something like 25 novels, 50 short stories, 6 novellas, edited 4 anthologies, and even wrote a non-fiction book about gun rights since George Martin’s last Game of Thrones novel came out, and I still have to listen to entitled dipshits act like I’m gonna suddenly hang it up tomorrow. Motherfucker, if I stop that suddenly it’s because I died, and in that case, oh well. Sorry. If you’re that much of a bitch about artists being human just program a chat bot to spit you out a trash book a day and shut the fuck up.

To those readers who aren’t perpetually aggrieved victims, get back out there. Please give new authors a shot again. Their series might not get finished. They might die. They might get a terminal illness. They might get shot by ATF agents for having a pistol brace on their bumpstock. The entire fucking Earth might get hit with a giant asteroid tomorrow.

But if you want more new good epic fantasy to read, you’re gonna have to take a gamble occasionally and buy some.

This goes for sci-fi too, only they aren’t as infested with this toxic idiocy as fantasy. There’s fucking trashbags like David Gerrold, who started a hit series when I was in elementary school, but apparently it’s easier for him to beg for rent money on the internet in exchange for vague promises of finishing it, than it is to actually work for a living.

Every career field has shirkers, grifters, and beggars like that. Writers aren’t unique. Only you don’t assume that every roofer in the country is a lazy bastard who won’t finish the job, so you just let your roof keep leaking. No. You pick somebody who looks like they can provide a quality product and you roll the dice and hope they live up to expectations. If they don’t, you fucking move on, and hire somebody else. If no customers use them, they can’t stay in business and have to go do something different.

This is true of every business. Why would you expect books to be any different?

We recorded some episodes of WriterDojo last night and talked about this subject. Most of our episodes are light hearted and fun, but this one got a little grim at the end, because this subject is sad. Steve and I could talk about a few authors we know on the show, but during the break we thought of dozens of others who had gotten rolled up in this and broken. I’m talking amazing artists, who would have told wonderful stories. Only the whole world got deprived of their art, because too many of you are still hung up on some other assholes who dropped the ball.

That ain’t fair.

I try to help other authors, but I’m just one dude with very limited reach. I hate seeing good authors and newbs with great potential get fucked over for no good reason. I’m not writing this post out of anger. I’m writing it, begging you, the burned and bitter, to get back in the saddle and go find some new authors to give a shot.

They might suck. They might fail and let you down. They might have the audacity to have lives, or even die… the bastards. Or they might be awesome, and in a few years of practice because they’re able to make a living at this they might develop into your favorite author.

But you won’t know unless you try.



EDIT: adding the link to the post I talked about promises and expectations because some people have got really selective memories with their attempted gotchas.
 
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arry Corriea wrote an open letter(archive)to epic fantasy fans, reproduced below, and calls George fat and lazy and Rothuss a lazy liar. Then he hammers fantasy fans for hurting other authors who didn't do anything wrong, its really good, give it a read.
There's a sequel. Featuring his old buddy Mike Glyer.

So the Cancerous Tumor on the Prolapsed Anus of Fandom is Upset With My Letter About George Martin’s Laziness Fucking Over a Generation of New Writers. Oh Well! / https://archive.is/Kf0zP

Since I pirate pretty much everything I read, and when I don't do that use the library, I guess I don't really get a vote here, but fuck it, I think Correia went too far. First, I don't read to make a poltical point, I read because, well, I think I'll enjoy it. I don't feel like I have some sort of sacred duty to pony up money to support some unknown, sorry, and roll my eyes at the suggestion I do. Second, there's so much out there already that I haven't read/need to re-read that I could probably occupy myself for two lifetimes catching up without glancing at anything of recent vintage.

I don't disagree that Martin, Rothfuss Lynch and I guess Gerrold (the last two here I have never read) are jackasses for not coming out and saying their books will never see the light of day/the series will be finished. Melanie Rawn flat out said she wasn't finishing her Exiles series (her husband passed away while she was writing the third book and she was so traumatized by the experience she had to give it up), so it can be done. Then again, where is Melanie Rawn in readers' consciousness these days? In any event, I think readers do have a legitimate reason to hold off buying, especially for new series.

Shifting gears, it'll be interesting to see how well the Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret movie does. Obviously I'm not in the target audience, but I'm curious what exactly the target audience is for this. +1 for keeping it set in the 1970s rather than "updating" it, +1 for the George Harrison soundtrack in the trailer...might even be a rare Hollywood adaptation that is watchable. Rate me optimistic.


Blume made the mistake of coming out in support of JK Rowling in a recent interview but has since re-affirmed that she, too, worships at the altar of girldick. Wonder if that is genuine or if she got a talking to from the movie studio?

Unfortunately the original article is paywalled and I'm too lazy to look for a workaround, but here's some screenshots from Twitter.

edit: Found an archive of it. Made me do capchta to get in for some reason.

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Twitter / too lazy to archive this retarded shit, sorry
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First, I don't read to make a poltical point, I read because, well, I think I'll enjoy it. I don't feel like I have some sort of sacred duty to pony up money to support some unknown, sorry, and roll my eyes at the suggestion I do. Second, there's so much out there already that I haven't read/need to re-read that I could probably occupy myself for two lifetimes catching up without glancing at anything of recent vintage.
Yeah, I feel the same way. There's almost nothing new coming out that interests me, regardless of the politics any of the creators might have, and there are so many hidden gems from the past that are more worth my time. I'm liable to get more enjoyment reading some random old issue of Blue Book Magazine on Internet Archive than I would from 99% of genre fiction novels releasing this year.
 
That letter was some bullshit. I get his point, but calling readers names and demanding they fund a bunch of nobody authors after you just called them chucklefuck nigger faggots is absolutely retarded. "Hey braindead shit eater, Author #1 only sold two million copies because you refused to fund his lavish lifestyle, limp dick cuck. Fuck you, get cancer and die, you fucking coon. Now get out there and buy his second book!"

So what's the deal with this Rothfuss guy? I saw some innuendo on reddit that his dad actually wrote his books and now that dad's dead that's why a third never happened. Is that possible?
 
Larry's letter suffers from pointing at a few culprits in the crowd when the entire mob is to blame. Telling customers to take a risk and keep buying isn't going to fix the rot in the industry. The political marketing sucks. The social media culture around writing and reading is destructive as fuck. There's more content being produced that ever and there's far more works of equity than merit. That makes it more time consuming to wade through and gauge quality. I'd say the book market is suffering the same problems as the dating market, too much noise and not enough filters.
 
So what's the deal with this Rothfuss guy? I saw some innuendo on reddit that his dad actually wrote his books and now that dad's dead that's why a third never happened. Is that possible?
I had never heard that, but I don't believe it. I honestly think he's just lost interest in being a writer, but still thirsts for public notice. Meaning he's going to keep hinting about a third book until the end of time.
Telling customers to take a risk and keep buying isn't going to fix the rot in the industry. The political marketing sucks. The social media culture around writing and reading is destructive as fuck.
I grudgingly admit he has a point, to a point. If people stop buying books by new authors, new authors will never catch on. But maybe new authors should write a few standalones then. Not everything has to be Malazan or Wheel of Time.

The weird part is in one of his podcast episodes he flat out admits he barely reads any fiction himself these days, new or old. He does the occasional audiobook when he's painting miniatures or whatever, but that's it. Wish I'd bookmarked the quote, since there's now well over 100 episodes and there's no way I'll ever find it.
 
Just write a great, short, standalone book. Hacks. Return to tradition. Full length novels are about 50k words and up, while modern lit especially YA/fantasy lit tends to push upwards of 200k words for the series debut book of a startup author. Might be too much?

Going all the way back to serial pulp novels wouldn’t be all that bad. Fan fiction and original Internet-published serials are quite popular. People aren’t over reading,
 
The weird part is in one of his podcast episodes he flat out admits he barely reads any fiction himself these days, new or old.
I didn't make it clear enough, so let me try again. His 'point' is incorrect, the customer's willingness to buy isn't the problem because they are out there shopping and buying. Yes, some self report not buying new works due to being burned by authors, but that is a lie. They're not seeing or finding new 'quality' works among the 'quantity' demanding attention. That's why I compared it to the dating scene; swipe left, swipe right, repeat a hundred times. The market and social media has also destroyed buyers way to filter out the noise via reporting and recommendations.

I'd love for Larry to do a podcast post excursion into a BaM, B&N, or even just some online Amazon shopping at this point. Let him experience the same levels of frustration, time wasting, and social annoyance as a current day customer hunting for something to read. The stuff getting sent to him via agents, editors, fellow authors has already been filtered through.

Just write a great, short, standalone book. Hacks. Return to tradition. Full length novels are about 50k words and up, while modern lit especially YA/fantasy lit tends to push upwards of 200k words for the series debut book of a startup author. Might be too much?

Going all the way back to serial pulp novels wouldn’t be all that bad. Fan fiction and original Internet-published serials are quite popular. People aren’t over reading,
It's not the length of the story that's the issue, it's how you use it.
 
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