Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Any of you fine individuals have any solid statements or anything from someone official in Poland regarding the potential annexation of Lvov as payment for helping in the war? I know it's been going around on and off for months. I thought somebody (like a FM or something) actually spoke about an offer like that but I'm having trouble finding it. Sound familiar?
 
No, but seriously, why the focus on the Jedi? There's two valid interpretations of the Jedi, they were either all incompatent, and therefore allowed all the slavery, human traficking, criminal empires, etc, etc, or they were in support of that. Either way, you don't want to point at them and say that's us.

Russians propably aren't big Star Wars weebs.

As for Hungary, does a veto matter if Biden says it doesn't?
 
human traficking
Their cult thrives off of Human trafficking lol(Fitting for Ukraine). Niggas living on unlimited gibz taking kids away from their family to radicalize them into their Army for Jihad against the guy with the red stick and any normal fag force nigger who didn't get abducted at a young age because they're going to get corrupted with common sense and might join forces with the red stick nigga.

Just use enough nice words and cheerful sounding music and the most evil niggers can be the good guys.
 
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No, but seriously, why the focus on the Jedi? There's two valid interpretations of the Jedi, they were either all incompatent, and therefore allowed all the slavery, human traficking, criminal empires, etc, etc, or they were in support of that. Either way, you don't want to point at them and say that's us.
Technically the Jedi Order is an apolitical group, the commitment to the Republic runs counter to their religious positions to not engage in violence, which is the major tension point and repeatedly causes Jedi to fall into usage of the dark side of the force. The Clone War Jedi and Mandalorian Wars have the Jedi council each taking a different path to warfare and both end up in disaster as Anakin Skywalker become disillusioned with the order, Revan and Malak on the other hand get so desperate that they continuously take moral short cuts to win the war. Star Wars has some awful writers in its ranks, but the contradictory nature of the oath to protect the Republic versus the Jedi Order's commitment to non-violence is one of its strongest points that the authors somehow fell into by mere happenstance.
 
Russians propably aren't big Star Wars weebs.

As for Hungary, does a veto matter if Biden says it doesn't?
The OG trilogy was banned in the USSR, if they know it it's from video games and prequels from the 90s/00s.

As for Hungary, who knows at this point? Can the Pentagon force through Ukrainian membership in contravention of its own bylaws? Probably. Can they do this without causing the politically cannier members of the alliance (France, Hungary, Turkey) to dip? Probably not. Will they do it anyway? Maybe. The move would be insanely shortsighted and destructive, but blinkered hubris is how we got to this point.
 
Update from last Sunday.

Update in the Invasion - April 26th, 2023​


Summary​

  • Wagner Group PMC operators have made massive breakthroughs in West Bakhmut, having fully captured the garage complex, a fortified area in the city, with AFU withdrawing en masse from many of their positions, and Wagner Group PMCs capturing many dacha blocks. Now they will assault the last fortified positions of West Bakhmut, which is the Bakhmut Medical College, and the commie-block complex and are launching an encirclement of the city. In addition, they have launched an assault into Khromovo, a village northwest of the city that guards two valuable supply routes, of which one is rendered useless due to its capture by Wagner PMC operators. In Kherson, AFU recon groups have created a beachhead across the Dnieper River, but retreated once they were bombed by aircraft.

Russian Command Groups​

Russian Armed Forces​

Don't focus on the meaning of the names too much; the names of the Russian command groups don't corroborate with their actual locations and directions.
  • Zapad (Запад, West; controls the Russian Armed Forces at the Kupyansk Front in Kharkhiv Oblast)
  • Tsentr (Центр, Center; controls the Russian Armed Forces at the Kreminna Front in Luhansk Oblast/northern Donetsk Oblast)
  • Yug (Юг, South; controls the Russian Armed Forces at Bakhmut and Andiivka/North Donetsk) - the most competent and efficient of the five, including the most elite of the Armed Forces, the Russian Airborne Forces (VDV; Vozdushno-Desantnye Voyska)
  • Vostok (Восток, East; controls the Russian Armed Forces at Zaporizhzhya Oblast, Vuhledar, and South Donetsk)
  • Dnipro (Днепр; Dnieper River; controls the Russian Armed Forces at Kherson Oblast)

Private Military Companies​

  • Wagner Group (operates in and around Bakhmut in Donetsk Oblast and Zaporizhzhya Oblast)
  • Konvoy (operates in Kherson Oblast)

Bakhmut, Donetsk Oblast​

  • In the southwest of Bakhmut, Wagner PMC operators have captured some dacha blocks and launched their first assaults on the Bakhmut Industrial Vocational College to remove the last paved supply route in and out of Bakhmut from Chasiv Yar through Ivanivskye: Chajkovskogo Street or the T0504, which is a large artery in Bakhmut. They have made little gains, capturing up to Hryhoriya Skovorody Lane. (1) - April 23
  • Wagner PMC operators have captured the first high-rises with assaults coming from the railway and Central Bakhmut to the east, capturing several dacha blocks along with it. (1) They later shortened the frontline with other operators from the Southwest of Bakhmut, capturing many dacha blocks (2), and broke through the fortified garage complex from the east, with reports of fighting now coming within the complex. (3) - April 23-24
  • The main line of defense of Khromovo, a village northwest of Bakhmut, have been taken by Wagner PMC operators in an assault from the northeast. (4) If the village is taken, not only would it definitely remove the O0506 supply road from any use of the AFU to supply or evacuate troops between Bakhmut and Ukrainian-held Chasiv Yar in the west, but would also cut off the dirt road that is the last resort of supply or evacuation between Chasiv Yar and Bakhmut. Otherwise, the O0506 road is still useless due to the Wagnerian capture of the trench network guarding the road, although Ukraine is fighting hard to recapture them. (5) - April 25
  • Finally, on the 26th of April (today), the Wagner PMC operators according to pro-Ukrainian source Deep State UA has captured the entire garage complex alongside many dacha blocks, bringing Russian control over the city between 85 to 90% (7), with the Russians now launching assaults on the Ukrainian citadel of commie-blocks and the Bakhmut Medical College. (6) Pro-Russian reporter Remylind23 is reporting that the Ukrainians are withdrawing from many positions en masse and that the Wagnerians are now in a push to encircle the city.
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War footage from journalist Brussinf within Wagner Group dating to April 24

Oleshky, Kherson Oblast​

  • Some AFU reconnaissance units from Ukrainian-controlled Kherson have went across the Dnieper River using speedboats and have been deployed on some swampy islands between Kherson and Oleshky, (1) which got many people that support Ukraine to suspect that the AFU is launching a counter-offensive from across the Dnieper at Kherson. (2)
  • However, that is not the case, as propaganda footage has come from Russian-controlled Oleshky that Russian troops (or Konvoy PMC operators) still occupy this town and that the area that the AFU units landed are in a grey zone, where no Russian troops are present. (3) Despite this lack of concern, Russia still launched aerial strikes using FAB-500s on positions that the AFU reconnaissance units have established. (4) Russian troops then checked the swampy islands again and found nothing, which implied that the reconnaissance units retreated back to Kherson. (5)
  • This action down by the AFU can be assumed to be only for propaganda purposes to give the perception that the Kherson front is weak to the point that the Ukrainians can launch an assault from there. The videos that spawned due to this tactic gives hope to those supporting Ukraine, despite it being misguided, like those under Denis Davydov's video.
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(2) <- Archive: https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/sE-wUbbDpcE
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Andiivka, Donetsk Oblast​

  • Not much has happened except that Russian Armed Forces under Yug Command has gotten closer to Novokalynove, a village north of Krasnohorivka, which is itself north of Andiivka, a Ukrainian-controlled stronghold that the AFU uses to shell Donetsk city to the south.
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Luhansk Oblast​

  • The AFU have secured the town of Novoselivske, a village south-east of Kupyansk, and have begun attacking Kuzemivka railway station, which is under control of Russian Armed Forces under Zapad Command. (1) On the other hand, many kilometers south, the Russian Armed Forces under either Zapad or Tsentr managed to recapture most of the territory west of Chervonopopivka (3) that they lost to the AFU 5 days ago (2). I didn't report on the latter because I thought the Ukrainians already held the territory and that we never got reports on it until 5 days ago, but I was mistaken so apologies.
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Yevgeny Prigozhin - "We will not take another prisoner"​

Of course I heard this wiretapping long before it hit the media. I can say one thing, that this wiretapping about the shooting of our wounded prisoners by Ukrainians has a very serious humanitarian significance. And we will never break international laws humanism. And the law of humanism begins the moment you capture a person. Capture them, start caring for them, treat them, don't hurt them and after some time give them home, by exchange or as you like "We gave sometimes and just like that. That's why we will not break the rules of humanism. And we will just destroy everyone on the battlefield. That's why this law is called the law of the 300th (300 is a Soviet term for injured soldier). We still don't know the name." from our man who is wounded, Ukrainian villains were shot. And we will kill everyone who is on the battlefield. We will not take another prisoner.

War footage in Bakhmut​

West Bakhmut in ruins.
- April 24
- April 24
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- April 25
- April 26

Wagner PMC operators interviewed by WarGonzo, a pro-Russian reporter.

PMC "Wagner" entrenched in western private sector of Bakhmut.

As always, it is hot in Bakhmut. Even if the weather is cloudy.

The enemy tries to hold the defense, in some places he tries to counterattack, but all to no avail, because the "musicians" fight against them, but do not return their positions.

A Wagner PMC fighter speaks over radio interceptions which clearly show that the Ukrainian military is demoralized and doesn't want to die in the Bakhmut meat grinder, but the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine continues to send in new forces despite the horrendous casualties. - translated by Remylind23, April 24

Ukrainians towing in muddy weather. - April 25


Wagner Group PMC wrote a very kind message to the governor of Saint Petersburg Alexander Beglov. - April 25
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Beglov you faggot, hope you get butt fucked by a donkey. - from PMC WAGNER St. Petersburg branch (translation from Telegram comments)

An interview with Wagner PMC operators. - April 25

"We will squeeze them anyway, we will squeeze them, let them go as long as they live." - translated by Remylind23

FAN military commander Alexander Simonov showed unique footage from the Bakhmut detention center, which was a key defense center and location of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The successful attack on this object allowed the Wagner PMC fighters to finally drive the enemy out of the central parts of the city and transfer the fighting to the western part. - April 25

A soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine filmed the exact arrival of a grenade in his car. - April 25


A destroyed Canadian-made Roshel Senator APC operated by the AFU in Bakhmut, one of the eight vehicles given by Canada to Ukraine. - April 25
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Wagner PMC operator with an AK-12 with a captured American-made Trijicon ACOG sight.
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Assault groups of PMC "Wagner" continue to advance with the support of ATGM crews.

The commanders of the "Orchestra" say that the enemy tried to make a big hit on their positions the other day, but to no avail. At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are suffering heavy casualties in urban battles. - April 26


The pioneer PMC "Wagner" told and showed which mines one has to reckon with in Bakhmut. - April 26


The Airborne Forces support the Wagner assault detachments' offensive at Bakhmut. - April 26


PMC "Wagner" destroys the tank of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Bakhmut. - April 26


Sources​

Weeb Union​


Reliable Sources for Updates​


Reporters​


Ministries of Defense​

 
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The OG trilogy was banned in the USSR, if they know it it's from video games and prequels from the 90s/00s.

As for Hungary, who knows at this point? Can the Pentagon force through Ukrainian membership in contravention of its own bylaws? Probably. Can they do this without causing the politically cannier members of the alliance (France, Hungary, Turkey) to dip? Probably not. Will they do it anyway? Maybe. The move would be insanely shortsighted and destructive, but blinkered hubris is how we got to this point.
It was banned only for a few years until everyone started getting VCRs and tapes from the West. I watched Empire back in the USSR in '89.
 

Andiivka, Donetsk Oblast​

  • Not much has happened except that Russian Armed Forces under Yug Command has gotten closer to Novokalynove, a village north of Krasnohorivka, which is itself north of Andiivka, a Ukrainian-controlled stronghold that the AFU uses to shell Donetsk city to the south.
I view the loss of Andiivka as being more of a morale blow to Ukraine than Bakhmut. Andiivka is their most forward position and the center of all conflict since 2015, even as it gets increasingly cut off from supply routes they waste their precious artillery rounds just firing into civilian areas of Donetsk City just to be pricks. Losing Andiivka is almost a forceful admission that any attempt to reclaim the Donetsk separatist region is indeed over.
 
They expect the target audience to be thoroughly brainwased by above mentioned media. HP, SW and Lurd of teh Rings have a black & white world view, which is perfect for this purpose.
Which is why they're going so hard on the Orc and Mordor comparisons. Which is funny as shit because if Tolkien was still alive, he'd be furious about their usage of the terms.
 
I view the loss of Andiivka as being more of a morale blow to Ukraine than Bakhmut. Andiivka is their most forward position and the center of all conflict since 2015, even as it gets increasingly cut off from supply routes they waste their precious artillery rounds just firing into civilian areas of Donetsk City just to be pricks. Losing Andiivka is almost a forceful admission that any attempt to reclaim the Donetsk separatist region is indeed over.
Capturing Bakhmut and the surrounding regions destroys the AFU as an effective force. Capturing Andiivka destroys Ukrainian resolve so pretty much what you said. Expect Andiivka to be next after Bakhmut falls, and soon, Slovyansk and Kramatorsk.

Right now, the Russian Armed Forces' progress (the ones fighting around Andiivka) is mediocre compared to the performance of Wagner PMC operators and VDV paratroopers, hence why the offensive in Andiivka has halted like in Kreminna, so the highlight right now is on Bakhmut. However, I'm guessing that all of the Russian Armed Forces is not focusing on territory right now and more on grinding down the Ukrainians, so that they would be forced to defend their positions and not be able to reinforce Bakhmut.
 
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Isn't this the order that Hitler gave at Stalingrad?
Pretty much, but in Stalingrads case they were encircled anyway and relief effort failed so they might as well tie down red army as long as possible.
Funny thing is after months of fighting when German commander Paulus wanted to finally surrender. He got promotion to field marshal. Until that point not single German field marshal was taken alive by enemy.
 
Would Ukraine losing Bakhmut be as big of a morale disaster as people are making it out to be?
This whole war has been non-stop propaganda moving of goalposts, what makes this any different than the "muh two weeks" rhetoric that gets louder every time Russia advances.
Do the Ukranian people believe Bakhmut is crucial to the war? Obviously Zelensky has committed many resources to holding it and said as much in broadcasts, but it seems like an easy pivot for Ukraine to say "those who died in Bakhmut were heroes who stalled the Russian advance to ready our counter-offensive, slava ukrani", and so on.
I guess what I'm asking is if we really know how the average Ukranian feels, and beyond that what it would actually take for the civilians to stop the prolonging of this war. It doesn't exactly seem like the opinion of the average person matters when people are being bundled into the back of black vans and dumped at the front.
 
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Bong ministry of defense sez there is no obligation on the UK to help clear up depleted uranium rounds it provided, only the obligation to provide them.
Only a holhol would deliberately irradiate his "nation" to own Russia. Truly the heroes of Evropa.
Technically the Jedi Order is an apolitical group, the commitment to the Republic runs counter to their religious positions to not engage in violence, which is the major tension point and repeatedly causes Jedi to fall into usage of the dark side of the force. The Clone War Jedi and Mandalorian Wars have the Jedi council each taking a different path to warfare and both end up in disaster as Anakin Skywalker become disillusioned with the order, Revan and Malak on the other hand get so desperate that they continuously take moral short cuts to win the war. Star Wars has some awful writers in its ranks, but the contradictory nature of the oath to protect the Republic versus the Jedi Order's commitment to non-violence is one of its strongest points that the authors somehow fell into by mere happenstance.
The baby Yoda will fix all of this.

The moment of arrival of Gerans at the location of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Zaporozhye on April 25

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The OG trilogy was banned in the USSR, if they know it it's from video games and prequels from the 90s/00s.

As for Hungary, who knows at this point? Can the Pentagon force through Ukrainian membership in contravention of its own bylaws? Probably. Can they do this without causing the politically cannier members of the alliance (France, Hungary, Turkey) to dip? Probably not. Will they do it anyway? Maybe. The move would be insanely shortsighted and destructive, but blinkered hubris is how we got to this point.

They could just bypass Hungary with a disregard to rules and bribe Macaroni and Erdrogan to shut up about it.

F-35s are pricey...
 
Until that point not single German field marshal was taken alive by enemy.
I've read that the implication of his promotion was that he was to kill himself.
It 100% was. It was the spiteful and heartless nature of the order that made Paulus renounce Hitler. He became a vocal supporter of the Soviet war effort and later of east Germany.
 
The EU don't have the balls and even Sleepy Joe knows that.
Shame because I would maybe ever so slightly respect the EU if they told America to fuck off.
Ah, so Vietnam II. I hope they've got another bill ready to restart the draft.
I take it fleeing to Canada won't help dodging the draft this time around.
 
My signal is shit so I cant upload but Russia prop channels just released videos of drones destroying 2 radars and an AA battery with drones. It may have been posted but they recently changed their baiting tactics to discover AA and it seems to be paying dividends. Will try to upload vids when home unless someone else feels charitable.
 
Would Ukraine losing Bakhmut be as big of a morale disaster as people are making it out to be?
This whole war has been non-stop propaganda moving of goalposts, what makes this any different than the "muh two weeks" rhetoric that gets louder every time Russia advances.
Do the Ukranian people believe Bakhmut is crucial to the war? Obviously Zelensky has committed many resources to holding it and said as much in broadcasts, but it seems like an easy pivot for Ukraine to say "those who died in Bakhmut were heroes who stalled the Russian advance to ready our counter-offensive, slava ukrani", and so on.
I guess what I'm asking is if we really know how the average Ukranian feels, and beyond that what it would actually take for the civilians to stop the prolonging of this war. It doesn't exactly seem like the opinion of the average person matters when people are being bundled into the back of black vans and dumped at the front.
Morale is kind of irrelevant. AFAIK Bahkmut is critical to Ukraine's supply lines as all the rail lines converge there. There's no hope of retaking Donbass without it and everybody knows it. Having to retake Bakhmut after losing tens of thousands of troops giving it up to begin with seems like a non-starter. It wouldn't really be a successful "offensive" to just hope to be back where you were already dug in two months ago.

[That's my dopey outside-looking-in take anyway]
 
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