I'm an early onset early transition tranny AMA - and if you look at my messages this is not a troll account i just hate troons

Since breasts are primarily composed of fatty tissue, I feel it appropriate to compare double mastectomy to liposuction and bariatric surgery.
Except it really isn't, but whatever.
Does the surgery change their genetic predisposition to getting fat or the genetic code governing the size of the stomach no. What it does change, however, is the volume of the stomach. If someone who has gone through bariatric surgery has sex, their children will inherit the genes governing the stomach. Similarly, if someone who has had a double mastectomy has sex, their daughter will inherit the genes covering breast size. I will give you the fact that HRT forcibly modifies genes to an extent, but it is inadequate for entirely changing one's gender. Test won't make your boobs magically go away, and estrogen won't make your dick magically go away. FTMs will remain high test females, and MTFs will remain high estrogen males.
A changing genetic expression in an individual does not make genes appear or disappear. This is why I specified that environmental factors have an effect on genetic expression, not that they somehow edit your DNA (even though that can happen, it's not the crux of this argument). You have a very poor understanding of genetics if you think HRT "modifies genes".
I'll give an example for you. In the 1990's, the female wrestler Chyna took so many steroids (including testosterone) that she grew a small beard which she had to shave every day to maintain appearances. Despite this, her breasts remained unchanged in size. I will point out the fact, however, that they did rupture at one point.
And I never said taking T removes your breasts, I said "cutting off" for a fucking reason. You may lose breast size by losing fat, and I doubt a wrestler was actively looking to lose weight while taking steroids. Also, overuse of steroids leads to them aromatizing into estrogens (specifically T into E2, but some others can indirectly become estrone, which is also estrogenic) - it's why so many bodybuilders often get some gynecomastia - and consequently you wouldn't even have low E2 levels.
On CAIS, it is phenotypically female, genetically male, right? Let's say that they are indeed identical to you, as previously stated. if taking estrogen and other medications is enough to make you phenotypically female, then AGP troons count as female. You and I both know that they don't.
AGP troons, if they actually looked female (they usually don't) would be phenotypically female, yes. If they don't... they aren't. Simple as that. Again, phenotype refers to someones appearance. It seems like you're going in circles, you should probably read my last post again.
 
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Except it really isn't, but whatever.
how so?
A changing genetic expression in an individual does not make genes appear or disappear. This is why I specified that environmental factors have an effect on genetic expression, not that they somehow edit your DNA (even though that can happen, it's not the crux of this argument). You have a very poor understanding of genetics.
Genetic expression being altered via environment is the reason why we have different races. However, if taking estrogen is indeed an environmental factor, then I fail to see what separates you from AGP troons. You claim that the main difference is that they don't pass and that you do (which i doubt), but they are under the sway of the exact same environmental factors.
And I never said taking T removes your breasts, I said "cutting off" for a fucking reason. You may lose breast size by losing fat, and I doubt a wrestler was actively looking to lose weight while taking steroids.
I know that. I brought up Chyna because she's a prime example of environmental factors (test in this case) affecting genetic expression to an extreme degree. You'd think all of that test would make her phenotypically male, but she remained unmistakably female through her career. So much so that they put her in playboy lol. Breasts are a big part of that genetic expression, are they not? I know it's not exactly relatable to you because test and estrogen do different things, but it does indicate that hormones don't have nearly as much as an effect on the body as you think.
AGP troons, if they actually looked female (they usually don't) would be phenotypically female, yes. If they don't... they aren't. Simple as that. Again, phenotype refers to someones appearance. It seems like you're going in circles, you should probably read my last post again.
see my response to your second statement, it responds to this point too. Phenotype means appearance, pulling from genetics, pulling from environment, yes? AGP troons take estrogen, affecting the environment, which effects genetic expression, which would affect appearance and phenotype. Since dying your hair doesn't affect your phenotype because it doesn't follow the environment- genetics - appearance path, that means that kind of logic is all or nothing. Time for another example. You've been on HRT for 3 years, yeah? Keffals has been on the stuff for over a decade and he doesn't pass. Keffals has been under the same exact environmental factors as you (actually, he's been affected by those factors more than you have) and (probably) exhibits many of the same changes as you, but doesn't pass. If he's phenotypically male, that means you're phenotypically male. If you are phenotypically female, then keffals is phenotypically a woman. honestly, reading your posts on the topic over a few times, it sounds like your argument on phenotype comes down more to your narcissism and hatred of other troons than it does to actual logic
 
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Genetic expression being altered via environment is the reason why we have different races.
No. We have different races because of selection, where people with initially lighter skin were favored by producing more vital vitamin D than others, as we were moving out into environments with less sunlight. This is a fucking retarded statement.
However, if taking estrogen is indeed an environmental factor, then I fail to see what separates you from AGP troons. You claim that the main difference is that they don't pass and that you do (which i doubt), but they are under the sway of the exact same environmental factors.
That is irrelevant. The degree to which genetic expression is altered by environmental factors, or how big of an effect that alteration has on your phenotype, is entirely dependent on the individual. If you troon out at 30, the latter happens less. If you have shitty genetics for a tranny, the former and latter happen less.
You'd think all of that test would make her phenotypically male, but she remained unmistakably female through her career. So much so that they put her in playboy lol. Breasts are a big part of that genetic expression, are they not? I know it's not exactly relatable to you because test and estrogen do different things, but it does indicate that hormones don't have nearly as much as an effect on the body as you think.
That is not how the human body works. You are comparing an adolescent taking HRT to a grown woman taking massive amounts of anabolic steroids. You ignored my explanation of how anabolic steroids may cause estrogenizing hormones to form, because it would undermine your argument.

edit: you also evidently dont understand how breast development works, at all, so discussing breasts seems a bit idiotic
see my response to your second statement, it responds to this point too. Phenotype means appearance, pulling from genetics, pulling from environment, yes? AGP troons take estrogen, affecting the environment, which effects genetic expression, which would affect appearance and phenotype. Since dying your hair doesn't affect your phenotype because it doesn't follow the environment- genetics - appearance path, that means that kind of logic is all or nothing. Time for another example. You've been on HRT for 3 years, yeah? Keffals has been on the stuff for over a decade and he doesn't pass. Keffals has been under the same exact environmental factors as you (actually, he's been affected by those factors more than you have) and (probably) exhibits many of the same changes as you, but doesn't pass. If he's phenotypically male, that means you're phenotypically male. If you are phenotypically female, then keffals is phenotypically a woman. honestly, reading your posts on the topic over a few times, it sounds like your argument on phenotype comes down more to your narcissism and hatred of other troons than it does to actual logic
See above. You are assuming that every human being on the planet responds to hormones identically. You have a very poor understanding of genetics and I don't think this conversation can be productive until you remedy that.
 
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What are your thoughts about the undeniable fact that you and the rest of the trannies are being experimented on like rats?
and who is experimenting on me? who is actually recording the data needed for a study?
And that you have no legal recourse when the hormones destroy your brain and bones and the surgeries destroy your genitals?
fortunately, thats not how the human body works! maybe finish high school 🤗
 
No. We have different races because of selection, where people with initially lighter skin were favored by producing more vital vitamin D than others, as we were moving out into environments with less sunlight. This is a fucking retarded statement.
and how is that not an environmental factor? people became lighter skinned due to the environment surrounding them
that is irrelevant. The degree to which genetic expression is altered by environmental factors, or how big of an effect that alteration has on your phenotype, is entirely dependent on the individual. If you troon out at 30, the latter happens less. If you have shitty genetics for a tranny, the former and latter happen less.
counterpoint to the alteration argument: Jazz Jennings was forced to troon out at six years old and you can still very easily clock him.
Yes, everyone does have different genetics. You'd have to be blind to deny that. Yes, some people are predisposed to certain factors more than others. That being said, this entire argument reeks of a self perception that your own genetics are somehow perfect and that you're a miracle unicorn tranny. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to buy that until you post either your DNA results or a picture of yourself, and I know the latter is out of the question on this site. Every tranny thinks they pass.
That is not how the human body works. You are comparing an adolescent taking HRT to a grown woman taking massive amounts of anabolic steroids. You ignored my explanation of how anabolic steroids may cause estrogenizing hormones to form, because it would undermine your argument.
No, I ignored it because you edited it in after I started writing my post. I did not refresh. I'll respond to it now. Anabolic steroids DO fuck you up, obviously. That's well known. They have an estrogenic effect if taken in excess too, yes. In hindsight, it might have not been the best point to bring up, but the precedent of an artificially introduced foreign element which can go on to ruin the body remains.
edit: you also evidently dont understand how breast development works, at all, so discussing breasts seems a bit idiotic
Breast development is primarily based on estrogen, human growth hormone, the process of fat distribution in the body, and fat intake. Men can develop non-functional breasts if they become too fat, and women obviously get bigger boobs as they gain weight. When weight is lost, or when hormone balance is properly restored, breast tend to reduce in size. Pregnancy stimulates breast growth through hormonal impulses as the body gets in gear to raise a child. I understand it well enough.
See above. You are assuming that every human being on the planet responds to hormones identically. You have a very poor understanding of genetics and I don't think this conversation can be productive until you remedy that.
oh, I don't doubt there is a difference in how some people process hormones. However, members of the same sex tend to share similar traits when it comes to musculoskeletal development, processing of hormones, fat distribution, facial structure, height, etc. All factors which go into troons not passing. Again, your entire argument is predicated on the idea that you're somehow a perfect, miracle unicorn tranny who passes perfectly. I refuse to believe that until you provide proof. Taking people's word on the internet just isn't the wisest move.

It also seems like you have a vested interest in genetic science. Why not go to college for a doctorate instead of wasting those skills here talking to people who you deem to be retarded? You seem to enjoy it, and you'd probably make more in the pharmaceutical field than you would as a pilot
 
He might actually listen if you included some visual aids, man. Remember, autists tend to learn faster with pictures than trying to remember how each word can have several meanings to them

and women obviously get bigger boobs as they gain weight.
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However, members of the same sex tend to share similar traits when it comes to musculoskeletal development, processing of hormones, fat distribution, facial structure, height, etc. All factors which go into troons not passing.
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and how is that not an environmental factor? people became lighter skinned due to the environment surrounding them
It is an environmental factor - but beyond regulating melanin production, genetic expression had no effect. Selection as a result of individuals being genetically predisposed to having lighter skin is the main reason we have different skin colors in different areas of the world.
counterpoint to the alteration argument: Jazz Jennings was forced to troon out at six years old and you can still very easily clock him.
n = 1 and this is autistic anyway. you assume that anyone that troons out early passes, which isn't something I said.
Yes, everyone does have different genetics. You'd have to be blind to deny that. Yes, some people are predisposed to certain factors more than others. That being said, this entire argument reeks of a self perception that your own genetics are somehow perfect and that you're a miracle unicorn tranny. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to buy that until you post either your DNA results or a picture of yourself, and I know the latter is out of the question on this site. Every tranny thinks they pass.
I never claimed I'm a "miracle unicorn tranny". I don't even think I pass well enough (even though people tell me I'm being batshit insane when I claim to look like a man). This entire argument is based on facts that have nothing to do with me, and I don't understand why you pivoted to my appearance.
No, I ignored it because you edited it in after I started writing my post. I did not refresh. I'll respond to it now. Anabolic steroids DO fuck you up, obviously. That's well known. They have an estrogenic effect if taken in excess too, yes. In hindsight, it might have not been the best point to bring up, but the precedent of an artificially introduced foreign element which can go on to ruin the body remains.
And if you understand how breast development works you'd understand that having large amounts of both estrogens and testosterone in your body will lead to breasts developing.
Breast development is primarily based on estrogen, human growth hormone, the process of fat distribution in the body, and fat intake. Men can develop non-functional breasts if they become too fat, and women obviously get bigger boobs as they gain weight. When weight is lost, or when hormone balance is properly restored, breast tend to reduce in size. Pregnancy stimulates breast growth through hormonal impulses as the body gets in gear to raise a child. I understand it well enough.
Hormone balance in men, you mean? This paragraph basically counters your own point about the wrestler lol
oh, I don't doubt there is a difference in how some people process hormones. However, members of the same sex tend to share similar traits when it comes to musculoskeletal development, processing of hormones, fat distribution, facial structure, height, etc. All factors which go into troons not passing. Again, your entire argument is predicated on the idea that you're somehow a perfect, miracle unicorn tranny who passes perfectly. I refuse to believe that until you provide proof. Taking people's word on the internet just isn't the wisest move.
All of the permanent factors are caused by puberty, and they can be avoided. The non-permanent ones are... not permanent. Height is the exceptiom and is a moot point (unless you get a 6'5 tranny lmao).

My argument doesn't even have anything to do with me passing or not.
It also seems like you have a vested interest in genetic science. Why not go to college for a doctorate instead of wasting those skills here talking to people who you deem to be retarded? You seem to enjoy it,
I don't have a vested interest in any natural sciences. I probably wouldn't be able to go to college because of currently failing the prerequisites (norwegian, aka writing stupid shit). I don't enjoy talking about this shit either.
and you'd probably make more in the pharmaceutical field than you would as a pilot
Nope. This isn't true anywhere in the world, unless you somehow manage to get a position far higher than a regular ass pharmaceutical scientist. And even if it was true I honestly wouldn't care, I don't want to spend 12 years on a shitty education.
Spoiler: Tranny

its literally insane
 
What do you mean 'abandon your brain'. Does the thought of stopping drugs, no surgery, just living as you are, make you think you will die?
If you abandon the premise of woman/female/femininity? Do you think you would you die?
 
What do you mean 'abandon your brain'. Does the thought of stopping drugs, no surgery, just living as you are, make you think you will die?
If you abandon the premise of woman/female/femininity? Do you think you would you die?
Bro, I've seen literal autists both IRL and on Reddit struggle with this concept. Seriously, it'll make him double down on you and claim that you're essentially killing what little personality that he has
 
what tranny thing lol
i dont have any understanding of how exactly someone would abandon their brain but i imagine if they did theyd most certainly die within minutes

You're dead inside, you lack identity of your own, intelligence and capability to convince anyone to take your side, dear deluded tranny.
 
I have sympathy, truly, but he isn’t willing or able to have an honest discussion. This AMA hasn’t touched on anything about him personally, what lead to his GD, his relationships with his parents. He will not even acknowledge that he’s a man. Its impossible to have an earnest conversation. This must be the most frustrating and annoying type of patient for clinicians.
 
He's quaffed the Koolaid as extensively as any mofo I've ever seen. The funny thing is, all the BS he comes out with is absolute mother's milk to pretty much all AGPs. The ONLY difference is that he's a homosexual and most of those dudes are twisted hets.

This is what happens when some bastard "gender shrink" gets hold of you when you're a dumb little kid with a plasticine brain... it's malpractice, plain & simple. He thinks he "literally" has a female brain, IS "literally" a woman who tragically happens to have a male body.

But WOW, the come-down from it, should he ever regain some degree of sanity, will be HUGE.

When will it be, if ever? I think when his gay boyfriend finally comes to terms with his own stuff, and dumps this idiot because poking a rotpocket is kinda VILE and soul-destroying, and he could be out there bumping ugly with intact men - it'll be a pretty huge reality check. Maybe not enough...
 
It is an environmental factor - but beyond regulating melanin production, genetic expression had no effect. Selection as a result of individuals being genetically predisposed to having lighter skin is the main reason we have different skin colors in different areas of the world.
Is melanin production not a factor of genetic expression? it is quite literally expressed throughout the entire body.
n = 1 and this is autistic anyway. you assume that anyone that troons out early passes, which isn't something I said.
It's something that your argument very clearly implies. You argue from a position that you are phenotypically female because you "match" women with cais (you don't). You think this way because you trooned out at 10. Let's see here: that's N = 1 for trannies are heckin real women?
I don't even think I pass well enough
i stand corrected. N = 0.
And if you understand how breast development works you'd understand that having large amounts of both estrogens and testosterone in your body will lead to breasts developing.
Hormone balance in men, you mean? This paragraph basically counters your own point about the wrestler lol
I already admitted that it wasn't the best argument in hindsight.
All of the permanent factors are caused by puberty, and they can be avoided. The non-permanent ones are... not permanent. Height is the exceptiom and is a moot point (unless you get a 6'5 tranny lmao).
Although the factors do become muddied by early transition, saying that they can be avoided entirely is outright false. For one, fat distribution will still follow a path based on chromosomal lines. Again, I need to point out Jazz Jennings. His transition is the earliest known to the public and he is unique in the fact that he completely avoided experiencing standard puberty altogether due to a strict medical regimen. Despite this, his fat distribution is unmistakably Android in form. Note the hips being flush with the abnormally large belly.
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Similarly, musculoskeletal development cannot simply be overridden by taking hormones before surgery. Men and women are born with different skeletons, which is most notable in the pelvis and face. A male pelvis, no matter how much hormones are pumped in, will never modify its dimensions to resemble the female counterpart. Again, this can be easily seen on the artificially skipped-pubescent Jennings.
Facial structure is determined by the shape of the skull, which can also be observed in the man-faced jennings. even the most passing trannies have oddly shaped jaws which can set them apart from a typical woman. I will point out that it is not the best determinator, which is why it is near the end of my list. Some women can appear to have very masculine faces and vice versa.
My argument doesn't even have anything to do with me passing or not.
AGP troons, if they actually looked female (they usually don't) would be phenotypically female, yes.
sorry but a "REAL woman" getting "reconstructive" surgery while being 46,xy with cais is phenotypically identical to me
cope all you want
except i am an actual woman, as much as a woman with cais is a woman - you can cope as much as you want though
These point to the contrary

I don't have a vested interest in any natural sciences. I probably wouldn't be able to go to college because of currently failing the prerequisites (norwegian, aka writing stupid shit). I don't enjoy talking about this shit either.
Listen, man. I'm just going to level with you here for a minute, alright? School is important. You're 18 too, so this is your last year. Your dream is to become an airline pilot, yeah? in America you have to at the very least finish high school to find any sort of reputable airline to take you in. I looked it up and the same goes for Norway. Not only that, but you need to go to flight school. It's unavoidable for obvious reasons. You need to finish high school to even attend flight school in Norway. Regardless, Flight school costs a lot, and I'm not just talking about something like learning how to fly a shitbox cessna. You need professional training. How are you going to pay for it? most jobs still require you to have finished high school, so you're going to be limited to shit like McDonald's and janitorial work if you don't finish strong in your Norwegian class. Your savings are out of the question too - you're saving them for your dick cutting surgery.

Despite what the hostility in my replies might imply, I don't hate you. I just think that you're confused and misguided. You've already made one big, potentially life ruining mistake by committing to trooning out. Please, for the love of God, don't make another.

You don't even like spending your time on this thread! You said as much yourself. I feel like you'd benefit tremendously from using your free time to catch up in school instead. Trust me, I speak from experience. I dicked around during the early years of high school and I suffered for it. I hunkered down, turned things around, got into college, and I'm doing really well. Would you rather squander your dreams and your future just to talk about something you hate talking about on a forum that you view to be full of "retards", or do you want to become a pilot like you've always dreamed of?
I don't want to spend 12 years on a shitty education.
That mindset won't get you anywhere in flight school.
 
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