Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Agarathium1066]

How long is the timespan between KOTOR and Post-ROTJ? I imagine all the civil wars made even the toughest Mandos soft by comparison to the ancestors.

I was always under the impression it was centuries before the start of the original trilogy at the least. Plausible amount of time for a once proud and dangerous culture to turn into the fullest of retards.

 

[Jewthulhu]

It's practically a tradition nowadays to release buggy games on PC. "Who gives a fuck about fixing it? The modders will fix it for us."

>modders
>modern EA game

 

[False Emprah]

I was always under the impression it was centuries before the start of the original trilogy at the least. Plausible amount of time for a once proud and dangerous culture to turn into the fullest of retards.

It's over 4000 years from KOTOR to the original trilogy.

 

[The Ugly One]

No, what I meant is that Vader would have said that a well placed Force user is more valuable then the power to blow up a planet.

No, that's not what the writers would have written, because they were making a movie, not a legal-religious text to be picked apart by nerds 50 years later. "The power of the Force - what is it?" is a central question in the movie, not a throwaway line like the one about the Kessel run, and my point here is that you and Lord Imperator are effectively claiming that it's a J.J. Abrams-style mystery box that only ever gets resolved in pulp fiction tie-ins that got read by a fraction of the people who saw the movie.

Problem is that nobody really likes mystery-box movies. Most people who saw the original movie in theaters understood it, weren't confused by it, and didn't leave the theater thinking, "But...why did Vader and Ben say the Force is so powerful??? I hope somebody invents an Xbox soon so I can find out!"

 

[Grave Ghost]

We've been over this before you with.
One libtard, who was not long after fired, single mindedly attempting to work in every limpwrist burn he can to own the Thatcherites does not mean the imperium was intended to be Right-Wing satire.

Didn't some of those dudes have membership or ties to the National Front? I could have sworn that I read about it ages ago.

I looked at the Steam forums a little bit ago and saw posts about the PC version being unoptimized. I'm definitely going to wait.

>first new big game released in months
>has issues
The absolute state of AAA gaming.

 

[Ghostse]

Didn't some of those dudes have membership or ties to the National Front? I could have sworn that I read about it ages ago.

I don't remember if National Front but another poster thoroughly debunked LI's fan fiction about 40k's Imperium being intended satire that went earnest, but I'm too lazy to dig it up. There were more central and right voices in development, and the only person on the team who said "Oh yeah the imperium was always just a wacky dabbing on the chuds until the retards took it seriously" is the lefty faggot who got the axe. It was written in the 80s by guys who saw the British Empire softly crumble and leave behind a withered rump state, you don't need an ideological hate boner to write some scifi allegory built around that.

Its very clear that Lefty Faggot was tying to make it "scathing satire" (aka monkey hoots and poop flinging) and everyone else was just smiling and nodding.
"Everyone agreed the head of state would be an EMPEROR who is just a whithered husk on the throne! LOL EAT SHIT FUCKING TORIES! How do you like THAT? USSR is winning the cold war!"

But there is never a word about the literal Weeb Space Communists being not just Cucked and Gay, but also genocidal.

it's funny because she didn't exclusively make her a dyke to prevent this from happening in the first place
women may stray but they always come back to the dick

Offtopic/tldr/tmi/deviant

Spoiler

My buddy for a few years was a local lesbian community's stunt cock. He was friends from highschool with one of them and they'd fooled around through college till she started dating girls. Anyway, fast forward 10 years, they got drunk and boned. He didn't think anything of it; they'd boned before, and nothing changed, and then he bumps into one this girl's lesbian friends who proceeds to let him take her home and fuck her. this 3rd girl was missing dick in her life, the friend didn't like 3rd girl's girlfriend, so played matchmaker to homewreck them. Word got around he was a discreet lay no one in Rainbowland knew and wouldn't catch feelings. So if you wanted to get revenge on your girlfriend, or just missed cock and didn't want to get shunned from lesbian society, he was their man. Over the next couple of years he's boning a different 'lesbian' once or twice every month or two, until he got into serious relationship and

And to ruin your fantasies:
None of them wanted threesomes, the sex was "not very good" to "exceedingly average", good kissers but they were garbage at blowjobs.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

No, that's not what the writers would have written, because they were making a movie, not a legal-religious text to be picked apart by nerds 50 years later. "The power of the Force - what is it?" is a central question in the movie, not a throwaway line like the one about the Kessel run, and my point here is that you and Lord Imperator are effectively claiming that it's a J.J. Abrams-style mystery box that only ever gets resolved in pulp fiction tie-ins that got read by a fraction of the people who saw the movie.

Problem is that nobody really likes mystery-box movies. Most people who saw the original movie in theaters understood it, weren't confused by it, and didn't leave the theater thinking, "But...why did Vader and Ben say the Force is so powerful??? I hope somebody invents an Xbox soon so I can find out!"

George Lucas, the same guy who wrote that line with Vader telling Admiral Motti that the Force is greater than planet-busting approved of the early SW novels and comics which had Battle Meditation, (a single Jedi in a yoga pose weakening an entire army while strengthening theirs) fleet-destroying Force Storms, and the Sith blowing up stars as their crude way of a scorched-earth tactic when they began to lose. And he did it in the early years of the Star Wars Expanded Universe. Years after ROTJ came out. Battle Meditation came from the Thrawn Trilogy, which itself was billed as the direct sequel to Return of the Jedi. So right off the bat, you're getting OP Force powers from the official sequel to the OT films.

I'm sure the obvious motive behind Vader's line is clear. If your interpretation was correct, Lucas would've shot down works like the Thrawn Trilogy, Dark Empire, and Tales of the Jedi, dismissing them as having a comic-book nonsense interpretation of the Force. Instead, he approved of them and embraced them. You don't get more official than that.

And again, you operate with the assumption that the first Star Wars movie is a self-contained story, which it is not. It clearly shows a conflict that was not resolved, what with Vader still having a galaxy's worth of resources still to call upon (what, did you think the entire Empire was aboard the Death Star?) while flying away from the film's climactic battle unscathed, and he obviously will be back for revenge. The story was not resolved. The conflict was left unfinished. Even if we removed that line about the Force altogether, the story obviously needs a sequel to finish it, which shows that the original Star Wars movie is NOT a self-contained story.

Next time you start calling something a self-contained story, it pays to actually know what "self-contained" means. The original Sleeping Beauty is a self-contained story. Maleficent is the main bad bitch of the story, she curses the princess, and the prince kills her in the final battle; he gets married to the dame and they all live happily ever after. Every plot point is resolved, the story is neatly concluded in one swift stroke. Having a sequel to that seems pointless, but you can still make excuses up the ass to make the case for a sequel. THAT is what a self-contained story looks like.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

With how low-level the Force powers are in ANH, the most they could be is rent-a-cops. A serious military would be laughing at them.

Why are you constantly jumping between the two extremes? Its either sunkillers or rentacops with you. I already brought up xcom as a reasonable medium that makes them powerful without shattering the setting.

If they all died and the new society that slaughtered them all like animals was a dictatorship that put them through IN DAMNATIO MEMORIAE and forced everyone to stop talking about them for 19 years? YES. Propaganda is one hell of a weapon. Have you forgotten the fact that the Empire is NOT a free society?

The empire doesn't control every single plane in the galaxy, there's billions of worlds, especially on the outer rim, where neither the republic nor the empire could have had reasonable grasp.

If there were literal gods of cosmic power ruling for 1000 years that's not something you could wipe from the memory of the galaxy, especially on tiny desert planets in the middle of nowhere that nobody cares about. Yeah on corsurant maybe, but on most "rural" planets? No way.

Especially considering the worshippers that would innevitably pop up all over and that religions are the hardest thing to kill.

 

[Sneed F91]

Next time you start calling something a self-contained story, it pays to actually know what "self-contained" means.

Boy lives on desert planet
Boy finds message from princess asking old man he knows to help her defeat evil bad guys
Bad guys have a weapon that could destroy the galaxy
Boy and robots find old man who used to be a Monk/Knight/Wizard
Old man gives boy a sword that belonged to his dad
Old man and boy with robots go on adventure to stop the bad guys
Group meets smuggler who takes them to meet up with the good guys
Group gets trapped on the weapon and escape, old man dies
Group meets up with the good guys
Good guys attack the weapon
Good guys blow up the weapon
Bad guys lose (they blow up and die)
Boy becomes a hero
Every meaningful plot point wrapped up
Everything that matters is explained
Characters celebrate their victory
The End

ANH isn't an MCU movie.

 

[The Ugly One]

George Lucas, the same guy who wrote that line with Vader telling Admiral Motti that the Force is greater than planet-busting approved of the early SW novels and comics which had Battle Meditation, (a single Jedi in a yoga pose weakening an entire army while strengthening theirs) fleet-destroying Force Storms, and the Sith blowing up stars as their crude way of a scorched-earth tactic when they began to lose. And he did it in the early years of the Star Wars Expanded Universe. Years after ROTJ came out. Battle Meditation came from the Thrawn Trilogy, which itself was billed as the direct sequel to Return of the Jedi. So right off the bat, you're getting OP Force powers from the official sequel to the OT films.

The Thrawn trilogy came out 14 years after the first movie and gives you no more insight into it than the fact that Lucas, decades later, gave Filoni the thumb-up to build the Ahsokaverse. In 1977, Lucas hadn't even planned for Vader to be Luke's father. The intent was for Leia to be Luke's love interest, a plan that was scrapped after it was clear that Ford had 1000x the on-screen chemistry with Fisher that Hamill did. Making Vader Luke's father was come up with in the bull sessions for ESB. So no, the Thrawn trilogy wasn't planned.

Lucas has for years claimed he had this expansive, coherent universe all in his head from the beginning, but we have plenty of notes, interviews, essays, and the like from the late 1970s revealing that he's retconning his own story. All he ever did was throw shit at the wall and see what stuck and give the thumbs-up to things that sounded cool.

The story was not resolved. The conflict was left unfinished.

When they made Star Wars, they didn't know if it would succeed, and were deliberate about ensuring the ending left an opening for a sequel, but didn't leave all the major plot beats unresolved - let alone this idea you have that they didn't plan to show the audience that the Force is powerful until 1991.

 

[God of Nothing]

Offtopic/tldr/tmi/deviant

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Like I said, they all come back to the dick.
lesbians don't exist, women are bi at best

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Every meaningful plot point wrapped up

Bad guy walks away still alive, his people still own the galaxy, and he's obviously coming back for a second battle.

"Every meaningful plot point wrapped up" my ass. For all we know, if they didn't make ESB, it could've ended with a Halo Reach-style ending with the Imperials bum-rushing the Yavin IV base after the Death Star was destroyed and all our heroes died fighting like it was the Alamo.

Why are you constantly jumping between the two extremes? Its either sunkillers or rentacops with you. I already brought up xcom as a reasonable medium that makes them powerful without shattering the setting.

Sun-killers were Sith, remember? If anything, they'd have fought against the Jedi of old, which we did see in the Tales of the Jedi comics.

The empire doesn't control every single plane in the galaxy, there's billions of worlds, especially on the outer rim, where neither the republic nor the empire could have had reasonable grasp.

From ANH's perspective, the Empire controls damn near everything. Tatooine was as far from the core as you can get, and yet, you had Imperial patrols up the ass. If you go with that explanation of the Empire not being everywhere because LOL EU SAID THEY NEVER HAD A GRASP IN THE OUTER RIM then you also have to accept past Jedi and Sith who can outdo the Death Star since they're just as much part of the EU as well-especially since they came in the early parts of the EU.

If there were literal gods of cosmic power ruling for 1000 years that's not something you could wipe from the memory of the galaxy, especially on tiny desert planets in the middle of nowhere that nobody cares about. Yeah on corsurant maybe, but on most "rural" planets? No way.

Especially considering the worshippers that would innevitably pop up all over and that religions are the hardest thing to kill.

Yes you can. The Chinese lost most of their cultural memory after a few years of Communism destroyed their heritage. The Empire has had 19 years to rule over the galaxy. That, and the Empire KILLED the Jedi, so despite their great powers, the Empire did manage to kill them all, so even the people who believed in the power of the Jedi would be pretty scared of the Empire after the Empire killed them all, and they'd obviously keep their mouths shut about them; kind of like how Uncle Owen lied to Luke and told him that his dad was a navigator on a spice freighter instead of being one of these magical Jedi.

The only rural planet we see in the films is Tatooine. And it's firmly under Imperial control.

@The Ugly One

The Thrawn trilogy came out 14 years after the first movie and gives you no more insight into it than the fact that Lucas, decades later, gave Filoni the thumb-up to build the Ahsokaverse. In 1977, Lucas hadn't even planned for Vader to be Luke's father. The intent was for Leia to be Luke's love interest, a plan that was scrapped after it was clear that Ford had 1000x the on-screen chemistry with Fisher that Hamill did. Making Vader Luke's father was come up with in the bull sessions for ESB. So no, the Thrawn trilogy wasn't planned.

Again here we have you making shit up. There was an obvious love triangle between Han and Luke for Leia's hand, so no, Leia was not designed right off the bat to be Luke's love interest, since that was still up in the air as to who ends up dicking her in the end. And again, that doesn't invalidate the point I made with Vader's quote about the Force. Lucas was a religious man; the Force was a stand-in for the power of God, and Vader's statement was akin to saying that the miracles from the Bible are a small taste of God's omnipotent power and that God can do more than a nuclear bomb. Which, since the 1977 Star Wars is basically David vs. Goliath in space, makes perfect sense.

Also, the Ahsokaverse? Really? Lucas only gave a thumbs-up to TCW on the condition that AHSOKA DIES AT THE END OF THE SHOW. Filoni only got away with not killing her because the company was sold before the show could wrap up all its seasons. If Lucas never sold, Ahsoka would be deader than disco by the end of TCW.

And again, the Thrawn Trilogy came out pretty early in the EU's run, when all the EU authors still needed Lucas' expressed persmission for their ideas. And this was before the Prequels or TCW. And not only did Lucas sign off on this OP Force stuff, but the fan reception to them was pretty positive, as well. So Lucas was in favor of OP Force stuff, and the fans were likewise in favor of OP Force stuff. Sounds pretty universal, if you'd ask me. Again, if your interpretation was correct, would the fans not reject these works too, even if Lucas accepted them?

What, is there some magical source about the Force that understands it more than Lucas and the fans do? Next thing you'll tell me, you understand the Force more than Lucas does.

Lucas has for years claimed he had this expansive, coherent universe all in his head from the beginning, but we have plenty of notes, interviews, essays, and the like from the late 1970s revealing that he's retconning his own story. All he ever did was throw shit at the wall and see what stuck and give the thumbs-up to things that sounded cool.

That pretty much was proven to be true when Kenobi starts yapping off to Luke about how the Jedi used to run the Republic and how the Empire corrupted it all, while Vader betrayed and murdered Anakin. Even without retcons, you'd still need to fucking explain all that with more works down the road, meaning that yes, Star Wars started off as a movie that wasn't self-contained, but rather, alluded to works that would obviously be published in the future, like how things ran under the Jedi, how the Jedi were wiped out by the Empire, and how Vader betrayed and murdered Anakin. And of course, Vader gets away from the film's final battle unscathed, he still has a galaxy's worth of resources and manpower to call upon, so obviously that called for a sequel, too.

When they made Star Wars, they didn't know if it would succeed, and were deliberate about ensuring the ending left an opening for a sequel, but didn't leave all the major plot beats unresolved - let alone this idea you have that they didn't plan to show the audience that the Force is powerful until 1991.

They did leave the major plot unresolved, did you not see Vader flying away unscathed? That goes to show that the main conflict was left unresolved. The Empire still hasn't fallen, its top warrior is still alive and well. Meaning that all you've done is give the bad guy a black eye, and this battle is far from over. Like I said, a self-contained story would be something like Sleeping Beauty:

A) Maleficent is introduced as the main bad bitch, curses the princess.
B) Prince Philip comes in to try and rescue the princess.
C) Philip kills the bad bitch, saves the gal, and they live happily ever after.

THAT is a self-contained story. They introduce a problem (Maleficent, Vader and the Empire) they show a solution (the Rebels, Prince Philip) and they end the problem. Except unlike Sleeping Beauty, the problem doesn't end in ANH, and the problem is still there, still owning the galaxy, still ready to strike back.

Sleeping Beauty is a self-contained story. Star Wars 1977 is not.

 

[Calandrino]

Everything about Star Wars (the film of that title released in 1977) is better and makes more sense if you ignore all sequels and supplementary material. Even "I am your father" doesn't do it any favors. Not even necessarily saying it's the best film of the franchise (although actually, it is, but that's beside the point).

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Sun-killers were Sith, remember? If anything, they'd have fought against the Jedi of old, which we did see in the Tales of the Jedi comics.

Presumably the jedi would also excibit similar god like powers, you get my point.

If you go with that explanation of the Empire not being everywhere because LOL EU SAID THEY NEVER HAD A GRASP IN THE OUTER RIM then you also have to accept past Jedi and Sith who can outdo the Death Star since they're just as much part of the EU as well-especially since they came in the early parts of the EU.

I went with the explenation of the empire not having 100% control of everything everywhere because its a reasonable inference to make when we're talking about stuff on the galactic scale.

Yes you can. The Chinese lost most of their cultural memory after a few years of Communism destroyed their heritage. The Empire has had 19 years to rule over the galaxy. That, and the Empire KILLED the Jedi, so despite their great powers, the Empire did manage to kill them all, so even the people who believed in the power of the Jedi would be pretty scared of the Empire after the Empire killed them all, and they'd obviously keep their mouths shut about them; kind of like how Uncle Owen lied to Luke and told him that his dad was a navigator on a spice freighter instead of being one of these magical Jedi.

China is 1 country, we're talking about an entire galaxy which is exponentially harder to actually fully control.

The only rural planet we see in the films is Tatooine. And it's firmly under Imperial control.

They have a couple of stormtroopers there on bitch duty. That's like saying bumufuckistan is under firm US control because they have 12 marines patrolling the area. Having a couple soldiers around isn't the same as total propaganda control.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Does anyone have a pdf of that document George gave to Fox when he was negotiating with Fox about Empire Strikes Back? I heard how he basically told them to not have creative input and just distribute whatever he filmed.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Presumably the jedi would also excibit similar god like powers, you get my point.

But in a more defensive manner, like Batlle Meditation, since Jedi don't use the Force offensively.

I went with the explenation of the empire not having 100% control of everything everywhere because its a reasonable inference to make when we're talking about stuff on the galactic scale.

No, that is an invention of the EU. If we go with only the movies, then the Empire basically controls everything. Tatooine is as rural and backwater a place can get in Star Wars when it first came out, and the Empire still controlled it fully.

China is 1 country, we're talking about an entire galaxy which is exponentially harder to actually fully control.

Not if your nation is the size of a galaxy, and you have a galaxy-wide military that just wiped out the Jedi. Note how the rebels don't live in backwater towns, but rather, in remote, isolated, uncivilized places.

They have a couple of stormtroopers there on bitch duty. That's like saying bumufuckistan is under firm US control because they have 12 marines patrolling the area. Having a couple soldiers around isn't the same as total propaganda control.

They have patrols up the ass in the city and outside, as well as two mile-long warships patrolling the skies. Oh, and a military academy IN Tatooine as Luke stated. So not only is it controlled by Imps, it's producing more Imps by the minute.

Everything about Star Wars (the film of that title released in 1977) is better and makes more sense if you ignore all sequels and supplementary material. Even "I am your father" doesn't do it any favors. Not even necessarily saying it's the best film of the franchise (although actually, it is, but that's beside the point).

Nope. ESB is the best film of the franchise. That, and you can't ignore Vader getting away scot-free while his people still control the galaxy. Like I said, that just leaves the main conflict unresolved. None of those Imperial leaders on the Death Star save for Vader and Tarkin were a genuine threat to the Rebels, and they obviously control the galaxy if even the backwater systems are under their full control.

So for all you know, after the Death Star was destroyed, this ended in a situation similar to when the Bolivian army cornered Che Guevara and killed his ass, if there were no sequels.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

But in a more defensive manner, like Batlle Meditation, since Jedi don't use the Force offensively.

Yes.

No, that is an invention of the EU. If we go with only the movies, then the Empire basically controls everything. Tatooine is as rural and backwater a place can get in Star Wars when it first came out, and the Empire still controlled it fully.

Not if you have a galaxy-wide military that just wiped out the Jedi.

They have patrols up the ass in the city and outside, as well as two mile-long warships patrolling the skies. Oh, and a military academy IN Tatooine as Luke stated. So not only is it controlled by Imps, it's producing more Imps by the minute.

There are 150 billion planets in our galaxy, 10 billion similar to earth.

If the empire is capable of keeping an iron grasp on even half that number then your setting isn't fixable by a bunch of plucky rebels, 5 xwings and 2 torpedos.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

There are 150 billion planets in our galaxy, 10 billion similar to earth.

If the empire is capable of keeping an iron grasp on even half that number then your setting isn't fixable by a bunch of plucky rebels, 5 xwings and 2 torpedos.

Hence why the destruction of the Death Star is that initial SPARK of rebellion. Rebellions start out small. Then they grow in size and get bigger with time as more and more people join. The Death Star's destruction shows that the Empire is vulnerable; their greatest battle dreadnought was taken out by a bunch of rebel starfighter bois. Which would then lead to rebellion in a million other places, so at that point, the Empire would slowly, but surely, start to feel the heat as more planets rebel. Which would make them more desperate to stamp out the rebels.

Which again, means that ANH is not a self-contained story. This was the start of a war to liberate the galaxy, not the climax or endpoint of it. This is the space equivalent of say, the Boston Tea Party. Or Bunker Hill. Back then, no one thought the Americans would win, because all the odds favored Britain.

 

[draggs]

The power of the Force is insignificant next to whatever is powering dude's compulsion to never just shut the fuck up

 

[Imperial Citizen]

Star Wars (1977) is both a self-contained story and a story setting up for sequels because it’s based on the sci-fi serials Lucas watched as a kid.

A New Hope is it’s own adventure but it leaves room for additional stories.