Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Would Ukraine losing Bakhmut be as big of a morale disaster as people are making it out to be?
This whole war has been non-stop propaganda moving of goalposts, what makes this any different than the "muh two weeks" rhetoric that gets louder every time Russia advances.
Do the Ukranian people believe Bakhmut is crucial to the war? Obviously Zelensky has committed many resources to holding it and said as much in broadcasts, but it seems like an easy pivot for Ukraine to say "those who died in Bakhmut were heroes who stalled the Russian advance to ready our counter-offensive, slava ukrani", and so on.
I guess what I'm asking is if we really know how the average Ukranian feels, and beyond that what it would actually take for the civilians to stop the prolonging of this war. It doesn't exactly seem like the opinion of the average person matters when people are being bundled into the back of black vans and dumped at the front.
It's difficult to tell because we're never told about Ukraine's losses. I remember when the media was getting spun up over Maruipol and Bucha, but now no one says a word about them.
 
Well the GOP is happy.


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My sources tell me Erdogan shit himself from eating a bad kebab and is okay now, just a little chafed. It's believable, same thing happened to me last time I was in Turkey.

Speaking of shitting itself:
 
Speaking of shitting itself:
While the state of the supply chain is embarrassing, it's important to caveat this as a black powder factory. In technicality not even a true explosive compound. The nice thing about it is that it is very well characterized and your inputs can be as simple as dirt, water, and heat. Pyrodex or BP equivalents are freely available. Between that or adapting for smokeless powder this is something fairly easily remedied.
 
While the state of the supply chain is embarrassing, it's important to caveat this as a black powder factory. In technicality not even a true explosive compound. The nice thing about it is that it is very well characterized and your inputs can be as simple as dirt, water, and heat. Pyrodex or BP equivalents are freely available. Between that or adapting for smokeless powder this is something fairly easily remedied.
You can make black powder, legally, in most states yourself. Just stump remover, sulfur, charcoal. Some rubbing alcohol to mix it in
 
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I know BILD is basically the Babylon but thinking they're a real newspaper but that's one hell of a reach even for them lmao
well they ARE well connected and this looney toons shit sounds like the stuff ukraine would do.

This pamphlet is at times worse than the british Sun.
Bild is by far the best NATO propaganda paper. they are still a working class paper and kept its centrist views.
they also have the major of kiev and other ukrainians in the know on speed dial.

No fucking joke.
whats a bomb gonna do? blow off his legs?
 
Posted in the Slava Ukraini thread, since this is from Russian Nationalists I thought it would also fit here:

Anatoly Karlin is a Russian futurist and techno-nationalist who has been critical of Russia's conduct of the war. He has translated a list of 39 Questions that Russian ultra-nationalist "turbo-patriot" critics of the war such as Strelkov have for the Russian regime. The "Questions" come from the perspective of Russian nationalists wishing to crush the hated khokhols, but they clearly show from an un-biased perspective on Russia's failings in the war:

"Historical" Questions
(1) Who answers for allowing Ukraine 8 years to arm and consolidate itself - when in 2014 the new Kiev regime's authority rested on a thread, and all Novorossiya lay bare for the taking after Crimea? (

2) Why were criminals & fraudsters allowed to take power in the People's Republics, transforming what should have been a showcase of the Russian World into a midden heap? Who was behind the killings of the 2014 resistance heroes?

(3) How is it that the "respected Western partners" led Putin "around by the nose for 8 years", by the President's very own admission? Why did his advisors not see or inform him on what was obvious to standers by?

(4) Why did the frontlines get fixed in the suburbs of Donetsk in autumn 2014 instead of expanding to the borders of the republics? Why was Mariupol not freed? What role did backroom deals between Surkov and Ukrainian oligarchs, esp. Akhmetov, play in this?

(5) Why weren't the LDNR militias properly trained and equipped in the last 8 years, while Ukraine engaged in military modernization? Who answered for this in the Defense Ministry? Military Questions

(6) How did the supposed "world's second best army" end up with almost no satellite recon or drones, and without any glide bombs or encrypted digital comms?

(7) Why were SMO plans built on assumptions fully detached from reality? Who misinformed the President?

( 8 ) Why did the Kremlin bet on thieves with no popular support such as Medvedchuk in the context of a quick victory? Was there a corruption element?

(9) What is the legal status of the SMO and what are its precise political-military goals? Why have they not be clarified more than a year into the beginning of military operations?

(10) Why was the possibility of US and EU sanctions not considered under SMO planning? Which bureaucrats will be held responsible for $300B of Russian reserves ending up blocked abroad?

(11) Soon after the start of the war it became clear domestic industry was critically reliant on foreign components. What happened to the "import substitution program" drummed up in prewar propaganda?

(12) Who carries responsibility for the shells hunger towards the end of 2022 and shortages in many other kinds of military equipment & accessories (comms, armor, medkits, etc.) only being partially remedied by volunteer efforts? What are the timelines for fixing it?

(13) Why were the borders not closed to men liable for mobilization at war's outbreak?

(14) Why are thousands of professional troops & mercs engaged in Syria, CAR, Mali, etc. while freshly mobilized troops are sent into the heaviest fighting?

(15) Why are "new citizens" from Central Asia & the Caucasus so rarely mobilized relative to Russians & indigenous minorities?

(16) Why were thousands of contract troops not punished for desertion at the SMO's start, while mobiks & volunteers are being sentenced for taking unauthorized leave?

(17) How to explain that the RF is fighting a war, while continuing to transport oil & gas across Ukraine, which are then converted into fuel in Bulgaria and send back to Ukraine?

( 18 ) How to explain the "grain deals", which Lavrov says "give no benefit to our country" since "partners don't fulfill their obligations"?

(19) On what basis were Azov prisoners (complicit in mass killings, torture, etc.) released to Ukraine?

(20) Who will take responsibility for the sinking of the Moskva?

(21) On what basis did the Russian Army "deescalate" from Kiev, Sumy, Chernigov?

(22) What were the targets of the many hundreds of cruise missiles launched at the start of the SMO? Why were Ukraine's decision-making centers, telecomms, air defense, transport infrastructure, etc. not destroyed nor even significantly damaged?

(23) Why on the 14th month of the SMO does the above still remain the case?

(24) Why were missile strikes on the electric grid aimed against secondary targets, and halted before they produced any significant results, such that Ukraine is again supplying energy to its neighbors?

(25) When will the Russian President adopt his Constitutional function of Commander in Chief, and does he plan to do it at all? Who specifically has directed the SMO in the past year, and who carries responsibility for military decisions?

(26) Who bears responsibility for the "Successful Regrouping" from Kharkov, resulting in the uncontested capture of Izyum, Kupyansk, etc., as a result of which masses of equipment were captured and Belgorod, Kursk, and Bryansk are now under UAF artillery fire?

(27) On what legal basis was the (quasi)-"mobilization" carried out, given that there is no war, and the SMO has no formal legal status? Subsequently, on what legal basis are deserters charged?

( 28 ) Why did "mobilization" exclusively concern conscription into the Armed Forces, and did not involve other elements, such as mobilization of the security services, industry, transport, etc.? Who determined its criteria? What mechanisms exist for deterring shirkers?

(29) Who made the "Hard Decision" to leave Kherson uncontested - a territory of the RF and a capital of one of its subjects? Why are suggestions to "freeze the conflict in the current positions" (e.g. from Prigozhin recently) not criminally investigated as an attack on the RF's territorial integrity? Or is Kherson no longer Russia? Who made that decision and on what basis?

(30) What is the assessment of high state officials (Matvienko, Beglov) making speeches in front of the flag of a hostile state?

(31) Why does the "concern for the preservation of the Russian people and Russian language" declared by the President and high officials not extend to those areas of Ukraine where the native Russian population has been subjected to continuous cultural genocide? (32) What is the logic behind the Russian military's "strategy" of offensive operations near exclusively in Donbass against the enemy's most fortified positions, which haven't budged in months, and which do not lead to the breaking of the UAF and Kiev's capitulation? Why are other strategic directions, many of them more prospective ones, ignored? Why is the local initiative there given over to the enemy?

(33) Where are all our very new military toys, which were hyped up nonstop in the prewar era? Why are T-54/55 tanks and D-20 howitzers produced when Stalin was still alive being brought to the front? Who and in what quantities disposed of masses of much more modern and "unneeded" Soviet weaponry across the Syrias, Libyas, Sudans, etc.? Where are the combat robots? Where are the 10,000s of Arab volunteers, "grateful for our help", promised us by the Defense Minister?

(34) Why is Kazakhstan, saved by our peacekeepers from civil war a month before the SMO, steadily becoming more Russophobic and joining sanctions against us? Who made the decision to keep the current ruling clique there in power, as opposed to other, more Russophile pretenders?

(35) Why are all significant diversions, terrorist acts, and even military strikes on the territory of the RF ascribed to "Ukrainian nationalists" by our officials, thus taking away responsibility from Ukrainian officials and soldiers - even in cases where the latter directly claim credit? Where are analogous Russian diversionary acts in Ukraine? Why was an effective "underground" not created in the past 8 years in Ukraine, even in the Russian speaking areas? Why are there no attempts to create one right now?

(36) Why, when 100,000s of our soldiers (and the denizens of border regions) carry all the burdens and dangers of the front, does the rest of the country live as if the war doesn't exist?

(37) When will the goals of the SMO and the conditions of its successful fulfillment be crisply and officially explained to society?

( 38 ) On what basis are the people who for years have insisted on the "sacral Minsk accords", "Donbass within a united Ukraine", and "do it all yourselves" attitude towards the People's Republics - continue to head the commanding heights of domestic, foreign, and media policy? Whereas those people who have warned about the perils of this delaying course, early and consistently, and correctly predicted where it would lead - a long and hard war - remain the whipping boys of official propaganda, are portrayed as marginals, and are even prevented from physically taking part in the defense of the Motherland?

(39) On what basis does the foreign media regularly release news stories (with attached photo and video evidence) pertaining to the adventures of close relatives of high state and military Russian officials in the resorts and entertainment complexes of countries that maintain hostile relations towards Russia, including imposing sanctions on it and supporting Ukraine, including with direct arms supplies? When will the President care to make any assessment regarding these officials?

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How long before the Slava Ukraine crowd calls it a fake since everyone knows dissent is not allowed in Russia. What would happen to someone in Ukraine challenging Zelensky so openly?
 
The "Questions" come from the perspective of Russian nationalists wishing to crush the hated khokhols, but they clearly show from an un-biased perspective how Russia is losing and has lost the war:

The "Questions" come from the perspective of Russian nationalists wishing to crush the hated khokhols, but they clearly show from an un-biased perspective on Russia's failings in the war:
I think it's interesting how you posted the same article in both threads, but claimed the Russians have already lost the war in the other thread.

The thing is, some of the author's questions contradict each other.

#1 and #3 basically ask, how come Russia didn't go to war sooner?
#6 and #10 ask, how come Russia is unprepared for war?

If there was a formal war declaration sooner, Russia would be even more unprepared. The fact that sanctions haven't hit Russia as hard as the West expected shows that Russia did make preparations. Of course, they could have, and should have, done better. It doesn't mean that Russhia "has lost the war" as you claim. Good luck dealing with the attrition of Ukrainian military-aged men.

But I remember when US invaded Iraq and US soldiers were so unprepared had to buy their own body armor. It takes time for any modern military to get into proper form.
 
Well the GOP is happy.


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There isn't a doubt in my mind that Carlson's been getting flack for actually telling the truth about Ukraine. I doubt it's the only thing they fired him for, but it's a major factor. The really funny thing are all the liberals acting like this outright censorship of free press is a good thing. God forbid someone tells us what we don't want to hear.
 
such as Strelkov
lmao

Is this a joke? Man is a bona fide lolcow. The only thing those questions might be good for is if you print them off and wipe your ass with them if you have no TP handy.

There is small collective of proto-lolcow grifters, mostly on TG but they bleed into mainstream Russian TV and shit on occasion whose primary goal is grifting shekels off unsuspecting idiots an stirring shit up. I don't have the time or inclination to go into it but people like Strelkov and his ilk are best ignored. I've lost count of the number of generals these shit eating imbeciles have fired (sometimes the same people repeatedly) in their Telegram "Breaking News" post, killed and buried the same groups of marines, "lost" town and cities to Ukrainian attacks (which never happened) and so on and so forth.
 
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