When the pendulum will swing back/how long it will take

[Niggs Monaghan]

I see people say a lot these days that the pendulum will swing back (politically, in America) either soon or in a long time or never.
For the long time or never believers, I just wonder why they think this.
Has the progressive pendulum in America never swung back before? Will it only become more conservative after some kind of civil war?
iirc, America has gone back to being more conservative a few times in its history, but I am definitely no American history buff.
So I'd just like to hear some of your Deep Thoughts about this.

 

[Breadbassket]

For those who argue the pendulum will never swing you have people who've been around in the last 50 years and noticing for many of the liberal victories there have been relatively few conservative ones in the USA.

For the ones who argue the pendulum will swing "soon" or is already swinging, you have stuff like Trump getting elected and the overturning of Roe vs Wade which in my opinion are just minor triumphs in the grand scheme of things.

People on the American Right at least from what I observe seem to have a tendency to hope for some kind of big shift in politics or post things like "then for no reason at all..." as if there is some idea of a grand savior around the corner riding in on a horse coming to stop all the madness and make the world sane once more. This isn't necessarily a bad thought, but it seems very overly optimistic.

Really if you want things to be done right, sometimes you have to do it yourself. That doesn't even mean you have to do something absurd, just be subtle about it and seek to gradually change things. Instead of waiting for so-called waves or pendulums just be the pendulum yourself.

 

[The Luigi Player]

republicans in 20 years will have to go with the youth and hispanics, not being with the old 65+ year olds anymore which will definitely hurt their blue color worker perspectives
comparing to democrats which don't work at all for the past... 20 years or so within the elections?

 

[Agarathium1066]

I don't think that its really that easy to see when 'The Pendulum' fully swings as what you see will be heavily influenced by what is around you and who you interact with. I'm not really certain we'll even be all that aware of it while its happening or if it ever does. There's a few small 'swings the other way' I've already seen from personal changes, local state changes, pushes back in many places.

I'm not expecting 'TOTAL <THING> DEAAAATH'. Ever.

 

[Kiwisee]

If you want to see societal change, you’re going to have to seek out like minded people in person rather than online for the time being.

Reason is simple: iron sharpens iron.

Go to any church/pub/any social hangout and just start socializing. Sooner or later you’ll find people just as sick of the culture wars as you, and with those people you can start forming friendships with over.

Once those people realize that they’re not alone, they’ll also end up seeking others who are like minded and then you’ll have a stronghold.

Even if it’s in a small area in real life, and it only consists of like 20 people; that’s 20 more people who are tired of the nonsense to varying degrees. So long as you’re not a blackpilled faggot you’ll likely be able to form solutions within the group.

I managed to find a group of friends who not only are into the same hobbies as me, but it turns out that we can also work together very well on art projects and are working to improve our craft.

However, if you are too autistic for socialization then you can always support any creator who gets “cancelled” or at the minimum, blacklisted by the entertainment industry. Support authors who are labeled “right wing extremists”, and encourage online friends to do the same.

In the case of books, there’s tons of indie published right wing authors who could use more readers. Get yourself those books; and if you end up liking them, leave a positive review and then spread the word about them.

That’s just a couple of small things you can do to help influence a pendulum swing. While dunking on Twitter faggots is fun, just remember that you can make a small difference in making their lives even harder by supporting those they want to silence.

 

[Cat tit bingo]

When people on the right decide to stop being pussys and [REDACTED BY FED FILTER].

 

[Troonos]

I don't think it will this time. I feel like the WEF is artificially holding it to one side, and it'll only drop when freedom-loving people around the world get violent and eliminate them. Sadly, the WEF is acclimating the global society to tolerate increasing levels of tyranny, so they're grooming us to never do this, and they seem to be succeeding, given the way we behaved during COVID.

 

[You Stupid Fucking Chud]

2 more weeks

 

[Passing Through Town]

Two more weeks. Trust the plan.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

It usually swings like around every half century, but that doesn't make the world any better. Both Liberals and Conservatives still believe their government will help them. Conservatism will be the new dominant culture in the next decade but life will still be a living hell as Conservatives decades later will become the laughing stock that they perceived liberals in the 2010s. The only wall to break out of this cycle of hell is to never obey to any government whatsoever. But Liberals are still in delusion that Joe Biden would help them and Conservatives are still in this delusion that Donald Trump would help them. There's a reason a false god is considered blasphemous.

 

[WitchfyndeGeneral]

Sometime in late 2020s. As heavy as the backlash against the woke is, real change will not happen until the elections. And even by the time the woke movement loses steam, the internet will be so heavily censored that people will blindly trust the far-right trads without any other alternative since plenty people are wanting a refuge from the far-left.

I think the way things are(such as the Restrict act, and other laws like that), United States will have a internet that is way more censored than other nations in the world. So, the US will switch to the other end of the pendulum but still have the censorship laws (like restrict act). If there are critics of the trads. they will be done outside the US.

However, it seems like the woke movement does appear to have lost the steam that it did but it’s still pervasive. I do give it between 7-13 years until the Woke movement is substituted for Trads as the default ideology of the collective elite.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I see people say a lot these days that the pendulum will swing back (politically, in America) either soon or in a long time or never.
For the long time or never believers, I just wonder why they think this.
Has the progressive pendulum in America never swung back before? Will it only become more conservative after some kind of civil war?
iirc, America has gone back to being more conservative a few times in its history, but I am definitely no American history buff.

There have been very, very few decades of the "march of progress" being reversed.

1810s - Had some reversion of the French Revolutionary/Napoleon's liberalism, also had the Second Great Awakening in the US which helped control immorality
1830s/1840s - Gave us Victorian morality, a stark contrast to the morality of the 1790-1830 era (and also huge leaps forward for political liberalism since the actual "far-right" pretty much died off past this point)
1870s - End of Reconstruction and the national attempt to push black supremacy. Unfortunately, it also ended serious attempts to send them back to Africa.
1930s - Excesses of the "jazz age" and 20s were to a degree repudiated. Rise of fascism and Nazism
Late 70s/1980s - Excesses of the hippies, sexual revolution, etc. repudiated, rise of modern Christian moral culture. Black supremacy and concepts like busing kids to inner city schools defeated

I'm not trying to do a trad larp here (since a lot of what I believe in until the past decade would be considered liberal), but you'll notice is that each time, the pendulum never swung back particularly far and eventually the side of "progress" consolidated its gains and pushed even more forward. All blacks wanted to do 1860 - 1950 was vote and hold office like whites. All gays wanted to do before the 1950s was not go to prison for gay sex, then all they wanted to do until the 2010s was get married like a straight couple. Well, look where we are today.

I think this is just a typical trend of liberalism, which has been the dominant and nigh-universal ideology in the West since the final death of absolute monarchism in the 1830s. Conservatism now is basically "conservative liberalism" and is thus self-defeating by nature (read up on Robert Peel, founder of the UK Conservative Party and a popularizer of the word "conservative" to see what I mean). The only ideologies which succeeded at halting the pendulum are fascism/Nazism, and for some reason communism, since despite degeneracy and degenerate beliefs being common among revolutionaries, those types of people always end up in the gulag and morals stay fixed from that point forth.

tl;dr we're fucked

I don't think it will this time. I feel like the WEF is artificially holding it to one side, and it'll only drop when freedom-loving people around the world get violent and eliminate them. Sadly, the WEF is acclimating the global society to tolerate increasing levels of tyranny, so they're grooming us to never do this, and they seem to be succeeding, given the way we behaved during COVID.

Yes. They control the media, every major corporation, and every major institution. The "opposition" like Donald Trump is completely ineffective and exists mainly to redefine the "far-right" as ever further left, which is where you get Fox News simping for (adult) troons and blacks and Hispanics getting free gibs and affirmative action from "conservatives." I fully expect by the 2040s we'll be talking about "based drag queens in kindergartens" because some drag queen said that kids can only change their gender, not their species.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

Poor conservatives, the only viable opposition is China, but they hate China even more.