Female-to-male artist shoots up Presbyterian elementary school killing 6. - Female Troon (FTM) Shoots Up Christian School in Tennessee

[mister fireworks]

One of the main arguments against posting these sorts of documents (as well as footage of crimes being committed like Tarrant) is that there's decades of evidence now that some people will be inspired to do their own little shooting/hate crime/whatever. More than would have likely done so without seeing the documents/media.

I disagree with that argument completely. If the news media and police are allowed to hide behind that logic, they can selectively release what they deem to be "safe" for the masses. I dont think there is any evidence that people have been inspired by any shooter's manifesto. I read tarrant's and it made him seem like a bitter little faggot, rodger inspired zero people with his long ass manifesto- it was the videos and posts beforehand that people cared about. I actually love reading shit like this because they are unreliable narrators who tell on themselves in weird ways with their grandiosity and self pity. if anybody knows of a good one, please share it.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

I actually love reading shit like this because they are unreliable narrators who tell on themselves in weird ways with their grandiosity and self pity. if anybody knows of a good one, please share it.

Hold on, let me dig out my September '95 issue of the New York Times...

 

[3holeDonkeyPunch]

The faggots who want to shoot schools are always looking for a reason, any reason, to do it. It could just as easily be how they feel at any time of day as it is a manifesto they read online. The Government should have no part in keeping this information from the people, not just because it allows the people to make informed decisions about motives and vote accordingly, but also because keeping information 'for security' is a retarded reason and cringe that has never worked once in actually achieving that security.

This is really only a good argument if we don't have reason to believe that copycat events take place, but we do. https://www.center4research.org/copy-cats-kill/

Just because you or I wouldn't be inspired by these retards doesn't mean someone out there won't pop off because of it. Hell, basically every manifesto now names and cites some of the previous manifestos.

I like having more information than less. I think it's important that information isn't completely hidden. But I also suspect that we need to vet who gets to see it because there is, actually, a measurable impact to just blasting these retards all over CNN for months at a time.

 

[Meat Target]

Others have seen the documents.

And the parents are alive. And she did have some outside contact.

If a rewrite is WAY outside what Mum/Dad understood of their child they could start talking. If it is outside of what has been seen that risks a challenge to the faked material.

Nothing some hush money or good old-fashioned glowie blackmail can't remedy.

 

[mister fireworks]

This is really only a good argument if we don't have reason to believe that copycat events take place, but we do. https://www.center4research.org/copy-cats-kill/

Just because you or I wouldn't be inspired by these retards doesn't mean someone out there won't pop off because of it. Hell, basically every manifesto now names and cites some of the previous manifestos.

I like having more information than less. I think it's important that information isn't completely hidden. But I also suspect that we need to vet who gets to see it because there is, actually, a measurable impact to just blasting these retards all over CNN for months at a time.

sorry, that article is garbage. Columbine started the trend, and i guess every subsequent shooting was a copycat of that, but the motivation to "get famous" has become and continues to get more and more diluted as these attacks are now just weekly mundane events. The only shootings we care about now are the ones with some novelty- like a woman/tranny. from early childhood, every single person in the US knows about the prevalence of mass shootings in schools and other public places. At this point even shooting up elementary schools is unoriginal and passe. Which manifestos cites revious ones? They reference the crimes and perpetrators but there is zero evidence that reading previous mass shooters' written justifications causes others to copy their crime. Who is the "we" that does the vetting?

 

[3holeDonkeyPunch]

sorry, that article is garbage. Columbine started the trend, and i guess every subsequent shooting was a copycat of that, but the motivation to "get famous" has become and continues to get more and more diluted as these attacks are now just weekly mundane events. The only shootings we care about now are the ones with some novelty- like a woman/tranny. from early childhood, every single person in the US knows about the prevalence of mass shootings in schools and other public places. At this point even shooting up elementary schools is unoriginal and passe. Which manifestos cites revious ones? They reference the crimes and perpetrators but there is zero evidence that reading previous mass shooters' written justifications causes others to copy their crime. Who is the "we" that does the vetting?

>School shootings happen so often now that they've become passé

Yeah that's kinda what I'm getting at. You might not have "liked" the Pew research article I linked, but that's not really an argument against it. The 24/7 media cycle has made every school shooter famous for days, weeks or months at a time. The truly heinous ones gain permanent infamy. It would only take a moment of browsing basically any board on KF to see that people will utterly debase themselves if they think it will get them attention, so the link between mass media coverage and copycat events shouldn't be weird for you.

>Which manifestos cite previous ones? They talk about the previous crimes and the people who did them but there's no proof that reading manifestos made them do it

We can't ever say "reading manifesto x directly caused shooting y" because they're all multifaceted things. We *can* say "we see an increase in crime x when crime x gets 24/7 coverage on the news".

>Who gets to vet?

That's the bitch, isn't it? Depending on how libertarian you are, there may be no acceptable answer, so I won't waste time postulating, but the fact that you are "bored" with how common mass shootings have become in the US should at least give you a reason to say "well what we're doing now isn't working"

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

If Uncles Ted's manifesto didn't cause the upheaval of all technological civilization, some pooner's won't inspire shit.

 

[introvertedobserver]

sorry, that article is garbage. Columbine started the trend, and i guess every subsequent shooting was a copycat of that, but the motivation to "get famous" has become and continues to get more and more diluted as these attacks are now just weekly mundane events. The only shootings we care about now are the ones with some novelty- like a woman/tranny. from early childhood, every single person in the US knows about the prevalence of mass shootings in schools and other public places. At this point even shooting up elementary schools is unoriginal and passe. Which manifestos cites revious ones? They reference the crimes and perpetrators but there is zero evidence that reading previous mass shooters' written justifications causes others to copy their crime. Who is the "we" that does the vetting?

Columbine didn't start the trend. The Thurston school shooting preceded it and the Columbine duo were partially inspired by that and the other school shootings in the 80's and 90's.

The trend of mass killing at schools (and desire for infamy) more or less started in the 60's with the Tower killings at U.T. They've increased in frequency every decade since but really popped off in the early 90s. Columbine was just another blip in a long list of similar school shootings. It's just one of the ones that people who were coming into their formative years at the time remember most. Going to go out on a limb but guess that you were probably in your teens at the time.

But school shootings have been a thing pretty much since the founding of the country and growth of schools. Back into the mid-late 1800s when government run schools took off.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

If Uncles Ted's manifesto didn't cause the upheaval of all technological civilization, some pooner's won't inspire shit.

The way the feds are hyping it up, it might bring us back to pre-2010 levels of lunacy. That's enough change for me, honestly.

 

[AutoClownMaker]

Nothing some hush money or good old-fashioned glowie blackmail can't remedy.

But you do run the risk of someone who's ethics are hard to compromise.

Someone purposely misfiled the Operation Northwoods documents so we could see them one day.

Chelsea Manning, Reality Winter and others exist and work to have bullshit brought to the light of day. One can hope if there is a coverup someone will issue a correction.

The upside to publishing all they can is hopefully future mass shooters will be noticed before they go shooting.

 

[YarrBlueballs]

This is really only a good argument if we don't have reason to believe that copycat events take place, but we do. https://www.center4research.org/copy-cats-kill/

Just because you or I wouldn't be inspired by these retards doesn't mean someone out there won't pop off because of it. Hell, basically every manifesto now names and cites some of the previous manifestos.

I like having more information than less. I think it's important that information isn't completely hidden. But I also suspect that we need to vet who gets to see it because there is, actually, a measurable impact to just blasting these retards all over CNN for months at a time.

My point is these people would find a 'reason' to do their evil shit anyways. Terrorists don't need a holy book to do terrorist shit, don't think of it at all really, but they cite it anyways as some sort of justification post-hoc because it's easy. It's easy to cite other manifestos because those get attention and have 'meaning', it's easy to cite god because that gets attention and has 'meaning'. The end point of the terrorist/mass shooter psychology is coping with being a terrible person and reverse engineering your pseudo-philosophy.

The people who actually are inspired by shit are the ones who studiously plan how to fly planes into towers for years and think over the actual reasoning and symbolic meanings behind doing so (the Trade Center, Pentagon, and Capital Building being all symbols of the American/Western ways of life and government), not just go 'I'mma anti-TERF a school' as some dark fantasy brought to life because you have a narcissistic injury.

 

[lurking for the deets]

I disagree with the censorship of information. When people do not have access to information, they tend to make things up in their head to fit whatever perspective or narrative they have and sometimes the results aren't positive either. It can lead to glorifying the event as well.

A good example of this is Bundy, I think. Every time the case has been spoken about there's usually some weird thing added that is completely impossible to verify. Then it gets repeated, more added. I've researched every single publicly available information that came from legitimate sources and there is so many claims you cannot verify that gets repeated ad nauseum.

The problem with Bundy is that there is many, many hours of interviews that have never been released, only seen by a few journoscum that clip a few minutes of it and for the rest of the claims you have to take their word for it that it's in there. And I'm sure you all are well aware how those types will lie for ratings and twist things.

Bundy is one of the most romanticized murders out there. Maybe if people could hear in his own words what he did to corpses I would hope people might wake up from their fantasy of whatever they think Bundy is. The most that has been released in his own words is that he took heads home and burned them in a fireplace. I think hearing the insanity straight from the person might wake some people up and realize the horror of it.

It's become a sort of thing of legend and conjecture now and plenty of people have a warped view of Bundy. People just imagine him as Zac Efforon or whoever was in that netflix movie and gloss over the horrifying things he done.

Of course, with that case you cant FOIA a lot of it because many of the tapes were recorded by people that are not cops or for the case of criminal profiler, he did many of the recordings after his time on the case and followed it way after his job was done. Those tapes are in the hands of his daughter, she's released snippets in a doc but not the full tapes.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

not gonna be isolated. as long as the left keeps encouranging the mentally ill and recruiting them to do this, they will keep doing it.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Columbine didn't start the trend. The Thurston school shooting preceded it and the Columbine duo were partially inspired by that and the other school shootings in the 80's and 90's.

The trend of mass killing at schools (and desire for infamy) more or less started in the 60's with the Tower killings at U.T. They've increased in frequency every decade since but really popped off in the early 90s. Columbine was just another blip in a long list of similar school shootings. It's just one of the ones that people who were coming into their formative years at the time remember most. Going to go out on a limb but guess that you were probably in your teens at the time.

But now nobody remembers the Thurston shooting or some of the other 90s ones. Columbine was a cultural moment in large part because of the media and ambulance chasers trying to blame Marilyn Manson and Doom, which made future shooters imagine they could get the same fame. Didn't help the narrative "Eric and Dylan did it because they were bullied" was so common, which made these losers think "well I was/am bullied too, that makes it not so bad if I kill everyone." To say most all school shootings are copycat crimes of Columbine is more or less accurate.

But school shootings have been a thing pretty much since the founding of the country and growth of schools. Back into the mid-late 1800s when government run schools took off.

Before the 1960s, most every school shooting was the student/a family member pissed off about what a teacher did (or didn't) do, so they'd shoot the teacher and whoever tried to stop them. The biggest school massacre was a bombing done by a guy pissed about local taxes, and a few of the other really bloody ones (including the earliest school shooting in the US in the 1700s) were done by Indians in the context of war.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

But now nobody remembers the Thurston shooting or some of the other 90s ones. Columbine was a cultural moment in large part because of the media and ambulance chasers trying to blame Marilyn Manson and Doom, which made future shooters imagine they could get the same fame. Didn't help the narrative "Eric and Dylan did it because they were bullied" was so common, which made these losers think "well I was/am bullied too, that makes it not so bad if I kill everyone." To say most all school shootings are copycat crimes of Columbine is more or less accurate.

It really didn't help that people teased that there was a Doom WAD that was designed like the Columbine High School. Not only was that literally impossible with the tools at the time, but it made those faggots seem cooler than the gay dweebs they actually were. All in all, we need to make fun of an chastise school shooters, so that future school shooters are deterred from committing acts like it again and again. The 24/7 news cycle really has fucked American society up really hard.

 

[WhiteNight]

I get that copycats may be inspired to commit their own mass shootings because they see the shooter becoming mildly famous or whatever else pushes unstable people over the edge. But does the manifesto matter to this? The copycats happen because of the saturation news coverage of the event, not because cops eventually release the shooter's insane ramblings.

Some manifestos have a political point and might convince people to commit violence. If so, that's too bad, but so might any free speech. But in any case I can't think anyone is going to be convinced that gunning down 9-year-olds in an elementary school serves a great political goal.

 

[Molesting the Decapitated]

Just need to point this out: it sucks that industrial metal now has the unshakable reputation that it's "school shooter music".

idk why mass shooters can't listen to some actually awful bands/genres, rather they always seem to love stuff like Pitchshifter, Fear Factory or Rammstein. Why.

 

[Ukraine is Big Gay]

It really didn't help that people teased that there was a Doom WAD that was designed like the Columbine High School. Not only was that literally impossible with the tools at the time, but it made those faggots seem cooler than the gay dweebs they actually were. All in all, we need to make fun of an chastise school shooters, so that future school shooters are deterred from committing acts like it again and again. The 24/7 news cycle really has fucked American society up really hard.

I forgot. Was it nool himself or metokur who pitched the idea of just dragging/clowning on every shooter? Like as a one time thing each "news cycle" and dropping it after, the entire time refusing to use their real names or online handles. Just taking all fear and ""respect"" off them in one go.

IE: "The little sissy faggot retard shooter went fucking mongoloid today, what a dumb piece of shit. The pasty limp wristed dipshit fumbled with a firearm and people got killed despite their own general incompetence and complete failing at everything in life including this moment. What a pussy little bitch they were. They will be forgotten tomorrow."

 

[introvertedobserver]

To say most all school shootings are copycat crimes of Columbine is more or less accurate.

Sure, to a willful idiot and have no idea about any shootings other than Columbine and don't look into the actual history of them to spot the trends and are also prone to childish oversimplifications, I guess that could be a true(ish) statement as a matter of perspective. The world is full of people like that I suppose.

 

[ScooterL]

One of the main arguments against posting these sorts of documents (as well as footage of crimes being committed like Tarrant) is that there's decades of evidence now that some people will be inspired to do their own little shooting/hate crime/whatever. More than would have likely done so without seeing the documents/media.

I know it's also fun to imagine the fed/globohomo/Jews/your neighbour whose dog keeps shitting on YOUR lawn is suppressing these things because they all went to Epstein island too, but even if that's true, it's also true that releasing these docs will probably cause more harm than good.

Suppressing information to manipulate people is never "good". Plenty of writings and art have been cited by violent criminals as their inspiration.

Any non-leftist manifesto would have been released by now. We know this, because it's happened before.

This is really only a good argument if we don't have reason to believe that copycat events take place, but we do. https://www.center4research.org/copy-cats-kill/

That article says nothing about manifestos. It's talking about media coverage in general which focusses on the attacker. The effects it claims remain assumed, rather than proven.

It seems likely the documents in this case would shift focus from the attacker to the lunacy that informed her.