Opinion To understand biological sex, look at the brain, not the body - Some copium to start a new month with

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There they are, in their Chevrolet Colorado, five dudes bouncing up and down as the truck grinds through the rugged American high country. Two guys up front, three in the back. Shania Twain is blasting. The fellow in the middle is singing along. “Oh, I want to be free, yeah, to feel the way I feel. Man, I feel like a woman!”

The other guys look deeply worried. But the person in the back just keeps happily singing away, even as the dude next to him moves his leg away. Just to be on the safe side.

This commercial aired back in 2004, and even now it’s not clear to me if it’s offensive or empowering, hilarious or infuriating. Twain says she wrote “Man! I Feel Like a Woman” after working at a resort where some drag queens were performing. “That song started with the title,” she said. “Then it kind of wrote itself.”

It’s a fun tune, and I admit I kind of loved seeing that commercial. But at its heart is an issue central to our current political moment.

When someone says they feel like a woman, what exactly does that mean?

Across the country, conservatives are insisting that — and legislating as if — “feeling” like a woman, or a man, is irrelevant. What matters most, they say, is the immutable truth of biology. Missouri’s attorney general, Andrew Bailey, wants to restrict gender-affirming health care for all transgender people, including adults. A new dress code at the Texas Agriculture Department commands that employees wear clothing “in a manner consistent with their biological gender.” In Florida, a law signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) keeps “biological males” from playing on the women’s sports teams in public schools.

This term, “biological males,” is everywhere now. And it’s not used only by right-wing politicians. People of good faith are also wrestling with the way trans people complicate a world they thought was binary. They’re uncertain about when, and how, sex matters, and just how biological it is. Some want to draw a bright line in areas where maleness and femaleness might matter most — in sports, or locker rooms, or prisons. Others are trying to blur lines that used to be clearer. At Wellesley College last month, for instance, a nonbinding student referendum called for the admission of trans men to a school that traditionally has been a women’s college. The president of the college, Paula Johnson, pushed back.

So what, then, is a biological male, or female? What determines this supposedly simple truth? It’s about chromosomes, right?

Well, not entirely. Because not every person with a Y chromosome is male, and not every person with a double X is female. The world is full of people with other combinations: XXY (or Klinefelter Syndrome), XXX (or Trisomy X), XXXY, and so on. There’s even something called Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, a condition that keeps the brains of people with a Y from absorbing the information in that chromosome. Most of these people develop as female, and may not even know about their condition until puberty — or even later.

How can this be, if sex is only about a gene?

Some people respond by saying that sex is about something else, then — ovaries, or testicles (two structures that begin their existence in the womb as the same thing).

What do we do then, with the millions of women who’ve have hysterectomies? Have they become men? What about women who’ve had mastectomies? Or men with gynecomastia, or enlarged breasts?

Are these people not who they think they are?

It may be that what’s in your pants is less important than what’s between your ears.

In the past decade, there has been some fascinating research on the brains of transgender people. What is most remarkable about this work is not that trans women’s brains have been found to resemble those of cisgender women, or that trans men’s brains resemble those of cis men. What the research has found is that the brains of trans people are unique: neither female nor male, exactly, but something distinct.

But what does that mean, a male brain, or a female brain, or even a transgender one? It’s a fraught topic, because brains are a collection of characteristics, rather than a binary classification of either/or. There are researchers who would tell you that brains are not more gendered than, say, kidneys or lungs. Gina Rippon, in her 2019 book “The Gendered Brain,” warns against bunk science that declares brains to be male or female — it’s “neurosexism,” a fancy way of justifying the belief that women’s brains are inferior to men’s.

And yet scientists continue to study the brain in hopes of understanding whether a sense of the gendered self can, at least in part, be the result of neurology. A study described by author Francine Russo in Scientific American examined the brains of 39 prepubertal and 41 adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria. The experiment examined how these children responded to androstadienone, a pungent substance similar to pheromones, that is known to cause a different response in the brains of men and women. The study found that adolescent boys and girls who described themselves as trans responded like the peers of their perceived gender. (The results were less clear with prepubescent children.)

This kind of testing is important, said one of the researchers Russo quoted, “because sex differences in responding to odors cannot be influenced by training or environment.” A similar study was done in measuring the responses of trans boys and girls to echolike sounds produced in the inner ear. “Boys with gender dysphoria responded more like typical females, who have a stronger response to these sounds.”

What does it mean, to respond to the world in this way? For me, it has meant having a sense of myself as a woman, a sense that no matter how comfortable I was with the fact of being feminine, I was never at ease with not being female. When I was young, I tried to talk myself out of it, telling myself, in short, to “get over it.”

But I never got over it.

I compare it to a sense of homesickness for a place you’ve never been. The moment you stepped onto those supposedly unfamiliar shores, though, you’d have a sense of overwhelming gratitude, and solace, and joy. Home, you might think. I’m finally home.

The years to come will, perhaps, continue to shed light on the mysteries of the brain, and to what degree our sense of ourselves as gendered beings has its origins there. But there’s a problem with using neurology as an argument for trans acceptance — it suggests that, on some level, there is something wrong with transgender people, that we are who we are as a result of a sickness or a biological hiccup.

But trans people are not broken. And, in fact, trying to open people’s hearts by saying “Check out my brain!” can do more harm than good, because this line of argument delegitimizes the experiences of many trans folks. It suggests that there’s only one way to be trans — to feel trapped in the wrong body, to go through transition, and to wind up, when all is said and done, on the opposite-gender pole. It suggests that the quest trans people go on can only be considered successful if it ends with fitting into the very society that rejected us in the first place.

All the science tells us, in the end, is that a biological male — or female — is not any one thing, but a collection of possibilities.

No one who embarks upon a life as a trans person in this country is doing so out of caprice, or a whim, or a delusion. We are living these wondrous and perilous lives for one reason only — because our hearts demand it. Given the tremendous courage it takes to come out, given the fact that even now trans people can still lose everything — family, friends, jobs, even our lives — what we need now is not new legislation to make things harder. What we need now is understanding, not cruelty. What we need now is not hatred, but love.

When the person in that Chevy ad sings, Oh, I want to be free … to feel the way I feel. Man, I feel like a woman!, the important thing is not that they feel like a woman, or a man, or something else. What matters most is the plaintive desire, to be free to feel the way I feel.

Surely this is not a desire unique to trans people. Tell me: Is there anyone who has never struggled to live up to the hard truths of their own heart?

Man! I feel like a human.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/05/01/transgender-biology-brain-science-freedom/ (Archive)
 
And yet these occurrences are few and far between, and we see them as a mishap in development; not something to be like "Yup, totally normal."


These are the questions the fedora-tippers on r/athiesm come up with; those things developed based on what you are, your body still holds to code to develop said parts, just because you cut them off doesn't mean you've become something else. Anyone who's not an euphoric should be able to logic this through.
Fedora-tippers never believed in science; they just hated their religious parents.
 
The trannies always bring up intersex, hysterectomies. and other nonsense that doesn't make sense to anyone who thinks about the logic for more than a minute.
Because that's the point, appeal to the big chunk of people who think "not all" is an argument.

"Men tend to be stronger than women."
"YEAH? BUT NOT ALL, LOOK AT BLACK WIDOW AND THAT ONE KARATE CHAMPION THAT BEAT A GUY ONCE IN 1916! SEE? YOU ARE WRONG, HENCE, I CAN BE STRONGER THAN A MAN".

What they don't tell people is that 1. these exceptions are rare and perhaps less than 1% and 2. a 99% majority of anything is more than enough to create a generalization. Not all women like pink, but if 80% of them wears or buy pink stuff, it's enough to say "women like pink" with certain accuracy even in scientific terms.
 
When the person in that Chevy ad sings, Oh, I want to be free … to feel the way I feel. Man, I feel like a woman!, the important thing is not that they feel like a woman, or a man, or something else. What matters most is the plaintive desire, to be free to feel the way I feel.
Reality does not care about your feelings.

Had you just been content to be tolerated you would still be tolerated. Instead you started making huge efforts to indoctrinate children and force people to acknowledge your feelings.

You are not a woman. You will never be a woman. You have a mental illness or a brain defect if that makes you happier. So do psychopaths. We do not let psychopaths indulge their whims.
 
This whole troon trend definitely is related to the very anti-male and anti-family stance the west has taken.
We've had a generation now raised from birth being told that what they are, white males, are the worst thing ever and innately evil and that they should be ashamed... unless they're a trans woman, in which then they're the bravest and most celebrated member of society. Oh, what do you know, tons of white males are "turning out to be trans women". Huh, what a coincidence. Obviously just the result of allowing people to be who they really are.

Some go "Nobody would ever be LGBTQ to fit in!" Gay men for milennia have married, fucked, and had kids with icky women due to societal pressures. Troons not only have societal pressure, but they tend to be autistic, have clinical depression, and other mental illnesses, so are extra easily influenced and doing weird extreme things isn't quite as big a deal when you're literally crazy and those weird extreme things are pushed by the media and put on a pedestal.
 
Remember the "Austere Religious Scholar" headline?

WaPo will engage in apologia for anyone, including mass murderers, if they think it'll somehow Own the Chuds.

And their comments section is more belligerent and insane than Reddit or Twitter put together. WaPo radicalized me more than Trump or 4chan or Tucker ever could have.
I used to go to Washington Post just for the comments. Comments sections are always great for a laugh. Shame so many news sites have gotten rid of the best part.
 
There’s nothing surprising that some people might have neurological disorders that predispose them to dysphoria. If anything this should bolster the anti Troon cause, if your genetics and your brain don’t line up, then your neurology is screwed up.
 
It is more obvious when he's standing next to a biological female..,
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Lol...Man, please stop, it's not working, you'll never be a woman. Because you're a man.

Why is it always the most obviously male ones? What is happening to their broken brains?
Dale finally found out the truth about John Redcorn and coudn't take it.
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I have been looking at the brain research. Troons may have mostly-natal brains that are in some places incompletely masculinized (in MTF) or inappropriately masculinized (FTM). The part of the brain responsible for self-image or self-recognition may be screwed up. They might feel good when they get hormones, because the brain has receptors for that. But they never have a "female brain in a male body" or a "male brain in a female body."

And they are not separate sexes. So what’s your point? They’re errors in sexual development. All of them are either male or female.
And importantly, they almost never "transition." There's no rapid onset gender dysphoria, no middle aged decision to troon out. These people are usually very normal, psychologically and socially. When a man with Klinefelter finds out there's an extra X chromosome in his cell nuclei, he doesn't cut his balls off. When a teenage girl or young woman with CAIS has an uncomfortable conversation with her family doctor, she doesn't stuff a sock down her panties and make everyone call her Aiden.
 
Oh so now there are woman brains? Interesting. Sounds like those brains might have differences in capabilities or something too, I don't know, I'm just a woman-brain.
That was the first lie I was told about troons, from a Neuroscience post-grad.

 
Reality does not care about your feelings.
It's worse than that: feelings don't care about reality either.

Oh so now there are woman brains? Interesting. Sounds like those brains might have differences in capabilities or something too, I don't know, I'm just a woman-brain.
Troon: women have woman brains!
Terf: women have woman bodies!
Employer: in that case, I'd rather hire men.
Troon/Terf: ...hold on...
 
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Weird how the only women who can get pregnant are the ones with ovaries and a uterus if it's really all about the brain. I suppose there are some things science simply can't answer.
 
They might feel good when they get hormones, because the brain has receptors for that.
Genuine question, how would that even work? Normal hormones don't "feel" like anything, that I can pin down. I don't typically feel a wave of testosterone surge from my balls to my bloodstream and suddenly think, "ah, MAN power" like Popeye powering up via spinach. Does that happen in trannies? I thought when they rub the estriadol on their hairy thighs they were just sending faulty chemical instructions to their bodies in an effort to turn factories into shopping centers, metaphorically.
 
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