Debate Android raptor on the ethics of caring for retards

For personality disorders:

12.08 Personality and impulse-control disorders (see 12.00B7), satisfied by A and B:

  1. Medical documentation of a pervasive pattern of one or more of the following:
    1. Distrust and suspiciousness of others;
    2. Detachment from social relationships;
    3. Disregard for and violation of the rights of others;
    4. Instability of interpersonal relationships;
    5. Excessive emotionality and attention seeking;
    6. Feelings of inadequacy;
    7. Excessive need to be taken care of;
    8. Preoccupation with perfectionism and orderliness; or
    9. Recurrent, impulsive, aggressive behavioral outbursts.
AND

  1. Extreme limitation of one, or marked limitation of two, of the following areas of mental functioning (see 12.00F):
    1. Understand, remember, or apply information (see 12.00E1).
    2. Interact with others (see 12.00E2).
    3. Concentrate, persist, or maintain pace (see 12.00E3).
    4. Adapt or manage oneself (see 12.00E4).
I've personally never met someone who got disability for a personality disorder. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I don't think it's particularly common.

I was in VocRehab though, which was genuinely useful and something I'd reccomend other people with disabilities and mental illnesses unsure of their work abilities try.
 
It's just hard to get on disability period, at least in my neck of the woods. I've known people that have been trying for over a decade with serious, diagnosed shit like schizophrenia.

I don't have PTSD but even if I did I doubt it. Getting on disability is a pain in the ass.
There isn't enough public housing anywhere urban - the wait lists can be years long. You also need to talk to HUD to find out if your disability qualifies you for a voucher in the first place. The easiest place to get a section 8 voucher, with the shortes wait list are small cities/towns in the middle of nowhere.

Almost every red state has a reasonably well funded office of vocational rehabilitation. If your autism is an impediment to earning a living wage, but not bad enough to qualify for ssi/ssdi they can help you with vocational training and placement.


The blue book listings are very hard for anyone to qualify under - most people under 50 get disability under the vocational/social allowance. Usually it's an ALJ that makes the determination, which takes over a year most places. Essentially the determiner/alj looks at everything and says the sum total is the person can hold no job whatsoever.

I don't think autistic raptor has a good chance unless they can document multiple firings despite their best attempt, and their psychiatrist says they've exhausted all treatment options to rectify their inability to hold employment.
This is correct. Most people are approved due to a med/voc allowance. Keep in mind the alj also has to find that you are unable to do any job period in the national economy, even simple things like napkin folding.

I did not start working until 13 years after approval and even with my current job I have to limit hours due to fatigue, and do not work in summer. Per diem is very flexible and lucrative, depending. But it’s not too much where it’s over sga.
 
There isn't enough public housing anywhere urban - the wait lists can be years long. You also need to talk to HUD to find out if your disability qualifies you for a voucher in the first place. The easiest place to get a section 8 voucher, with the shortes wait list are small cities/towns in the middle of nowhere.
I've had sect 8 for years, the problem is finding housing that accepts vouchers in a state that has less and less every year and meets all my needs. My state has no ban on source of income discrimination and even most slumlords these days refuse to accept vouchers (because there's a housing bubble and they think they can get more throwing out voucher people and gouging the rent than what the gov pays them. Yes, this is a huge part of why people w/disabilities and mental illness have such a high risk of homelessness).

Blackrock and other out of state investors funding all these scuzzy property management companies doesn't help either.

I know what types of jobs I can work and for how many hours a week, its just what I really want to do requires a bachelor's degree and I can't work and do school at the same time. And right now, I can't do either until I get my housing situation sorted. My brain is pretty much at-capacity with the shit it can handle as is.
 
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One thing I would like people here to do is to stop armchair diagnosing the past. Just because your grandfather was interested in planes doesn’t mean he had ASD. In fact, being interested in a certain thing does not make you on the spectrum. You can’t just shoehorn in people into the diagnosis to prove that it’s genetic and has been around since the dawn of humanity.
 
I've had sect 8 for years, the problem is finding housing that accepts vouchers in a state that has less and less every year and meets all my needs. My state has no ban on source of income discrimination and even most slumlords these days refuse to accept vouchers (because there's a housing bubble and they think they can get more throwing out voucher people and gouging the rent than what the gov pays them. Yes, this is a huge part of why people w/disabilities and mental illness have such a high risk of homelessness).
It's like that everywhere right now.


I know what types of jobs I can work and for how many hours a week, its just what I really want to do requires a bachelor's degree and I can't work and do school at the same time. And right now, I can't do either until I get my housing situation sorted. My brain is pretty much at-capacity with the shit it can handle as is.
This paragraph makes no sense to me whatsoever, and that's why autism is a such a bitch. If you wind up homeless apply for disability again, and when your denied get an advocate. In the meantime try to get services from your community mental health center so you have a caseworker and a psychiatrist in case you need to apply.
 
In the meantime try to get services from your community mental health center so you have a caseworker and a psychiatrist.
Already on it. I've actually been going to the same county health department for meds and other psych stuff since I was like 10. That was where I first got my autism diagnosis, actually. Unfortunately their hands are tied, my caseworker was able to give me a list of properties to call but unfortunately they all either had no vacancies for the foreseeable future, were seniors only, or were no longer taking vouchers.

I have a rough idea of what to do if I become homeless though, and if I'm out on the streets or living out of a shelter or motel I know that will actually qualify me for more resources.

Still incredibly scary and stressful. I'm thankful I'm as functional as I am and can easily see how people end up on the street because of shit like this (especially people w/schizophrenia or other more serious issues that might be less capable of navigating all this stuff and making call, emails, etc).

My psychiatrist told me I'm like the 10th patient she has going thru this exact issue, so it's a widespread problem. I know a federal ban on source of income discrimination is something I've seen people in the disability community advocate for, since landlords refusing to accept housing vouchers disproportionately affects us.
 
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My psychiatrist told me I'm like the 10th patient she has going thru this exact issue, so it's a widespread problem. I know a federal ban on source of income discrimination is something I've seen people in the disability community advocate for, since landlords refusing to accept housing vouchers disproportionately affects us.
Unfortunately people that are poor without a disability are usually pretty fucking garbage (stereotypes come from somewhere). I wouldn't inflict them on a landlord that didn't want to deal with them. It is everywhere, and it's affecting everyone. 30 seniors just became homeless b/c their building was bought and the new owner decided to turn it into luxury living.
 
I've had sect 8 for years, the problem is finding housing that accepts vouchers in a state that has less and less every year and meets all my needs. My state has no ban on source of income discrimination and even most slumlords these days refuse to accept vouchers (because there's a housing bubble and they think they can get more throwing out voucher people and gouging the rent than what the gov pays them. Yes, this is a huge part of why people w/disabilities and mental illness have such a high risk of homelessness).

Blackrock and other out of state investors funding all these scuzzy property management companies doesn't help either.

I know what types of jobs I can work and for how many hours a week, its just what I really want to do requires a bachelor's degree and I can't work and do school at the same time. And right now, I can't do either until I get my housing situation sorted. My brain is pretty much at-capacity with the shit it can handle as is.
If you're good at writing, try freelancing on Upwork. I get most of my money from there.

Currently making 2-3k as a freelance writer, which isn't bad since I never leave my house for anything aside from hunting or going inna woods.
 
If you're good at writing, try freelancing on Upwork. I get most of my money from there.

Currently making 2-3k as a freelance writer, which isn't bad since I never leave my house for anything aside from hunting or going inna woods.
Are you agoraphobic?
 
Are you agoraphobic?
No, I just don't like people. I have very little in common with most of those around me since I'm a college man in the middle of an exceptionally rural town. A lot of my interests are online-oriented and, you know, the most I can talk about with them is guns. We get along, but there's just not enough for me to be friends with a lot of my peers.
 
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No, I just don't like people. I have very little in common with most of those around me since I'm a college man in the middle of an exceptionally rural town. A lot of my interests are online-oriented and, you know, the most I can talk about with them is guns. We get along, but there's just not enough for me to be friends with a lot of my peers.
Fair enough. I ask because my dad never leaves the house, unless he is going to eat. Neither my mom or dad do anything really. Stupid way to spend your golden years, but he's been like that for decades. Ever since he was forced to "retire" due to work related injuries, and he's obese so his mobility isn't great and he keeps getting gout due to his diet. It's frustrating.
 
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I don't have too many issues leaving the house other than the heat half the year, particularly to do innawoods shit. If nothing else take toy pics and look for salamanders and stuff in the creek. Chances are the shit that was awesome when you were 10 is still awesome.
 
If you're good at writing, try freelancing on Upwork. I get most of my money from there.

Currently making 2-3k as a freelance writer, which isn't bad since I never leave my house for anything aside from hunting or going inna woods.
2-3K per what? Week? Month? Year?
 
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I don't have too many issues leaving the house other than the heat half the year, particularly to do innawoods shit. If nothing else take toy pics and look for salamanders and stuff in the creek. Chances are the shit that was awesome when you were 10 is still awesome.
Biggest frog found?
 
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One thing I would like people here to do is to stop armchair diagnosing the past. Just because your grandfather was interested in planes doesn’t mean he had ASD. In fact, being interested in a certain thing does not make you on the spectrum. You can’t just shoehorn in people into the diagnosis to prove that it’s genetic and has been around since the dawn of humanity.
My dad's sister told me that when I was first diagnosed, she and his living brother at the time kinda nudged him like "hey, this sounds a lot like you too" but he just brushed it off and never pursued it.

Autism being genetic is pretty well-established.
 
I've found some pretty big leopard frogs, but one time one of my friends found my other friends pixie frog that resurrected from the (assumed)dead.
How big? Bigger than a hamburger? I found a bull frog that was so big it didn't even fit in my hand.
 
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