Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

moocow said:
I don't get it. What are they reporting exactly? That they've destroyed all those planes (lol)? Or that they've recently been bombed/attacked by those planes? Or that they want all those planes? Or that they've recently imported and completed painting miniatures resembling all those planes?
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yes.

On another matter I have a question: Back before the thread split NATO had announced they would install shelters resembling the Pulowsky from the Fallout franchaise, what happened to those? did they actually get installed?
 
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Mary the Goldsmith said:
yes.

On another matter I have a question: Back before the thread split NATO had announced they would install shelters resembling the Pulowsky from the Fallout franchaise, what happened to those? did they actually get installed?
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Points of Invincibility? As effective as the Fallout Pulowski shelter.
 
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I'm British. We are born ready.
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Update from several hours ago.

Update in the Invasion - May 17th, 2023 - Day 447​

Battle of Bakhmut - Day 290 - Russia cuts all Ukrainian supply routes to Bakhmut​

Bakhmut, Donetsk Oblast
  • In West Bakhmut, Wagner Group PMC operators and VDV paratroopers have forced the garrison of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) to abandon their only defensive line on Rumiantseva Street that guards the intersection of the dirt road and the O0506 road, of which both serve as supply routes to Chasiv Yar. (1) - https://ghostarchive.org/archive/OxALI
  • Now, the intersection is under Russian fire control, preventing the Ukrainians from giving supplies to the AFU garrison in Bakhmut nor can they evacuate troops from the destroyed city. Ukrainian soldiers stuck in the "Domino" part of the "Citadel" complex are now forced to evacuate in the fields. (1)
  • Some of the Ukrainians have withdrawn to defend better positions south of Yuvileina Street while others are attempting to defend the Children's Hospital and the Storage Area, which are both under heavy assault by Russian forces. (1)
  • In the southern flank of Bakhmut, the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) have pushed the Russian Armed Forces back as they continue advancing to Russian-held Klishchiivka. It seems that the Russian Armed Forces are attempting to either shorten the frontline or to stall the AFU as much as possible so that once the Russians fully capture Bakhmut, the elite Russian troops can be deployed to reinforce the flanks and push the Ukrainians back. (2)
  • In the northern flank of Bakhmut, according to pro-Russian reporter Remylind23, Russian forces have managed to repel a Ukrainian counter-offensive consisting of an infantry battalion, APCs, and IFVs, from the direction of the village of Ukrainian-held Vasyukovka towards the hamlet of Russian-held Sakko i Vantsetti. - https://ghostarchive.org/archive/3Xpbx
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War footage​

Wagner Group PMC operators found elderly civilians hiding the basement of destroyed commie-blocks in the "Nest" area in the "Citadel" in west Bakhmut after driving the Ukrainians out.

Drone footage revealing Russian artillery shelling Ukrainian positions inside fortified commie-blocks in the "Domino" area in west Bakhmut, the last Ukrainian stronghold in the "Citadel."

Wagner Group PMC operators showcasing residential and office buildings destroyed by units of the AFU retreating to the western part of the city to Russian-state media RIA Novosti in Bakhmut.

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Desu Mountain said:
Is my thinking correct when I assume Russia destroying the bridge indicates that they're not thinking of expanding much further into Ukrainian territory? Since having the bridge for that would be easier.
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Most Pro-Russians tell me that Russia is focused on destroying the Armed Forces of Ukraine as an effective fighting force, and that territory will be of a later concern. If destroying the bridge helps the Russians accomplish this goal, they will do it. Once they defeat the Ukrainians in the Bakhmut front, then it will be easier for the Russians to expand their territory forward. One of the biggest mistakes that the Russians did in the Invasion was that they did not destroy Ukrainian infrastructure earlier, which gave the Ukrainians very strong logistics over the Russians.
Feline Supremacist said:
I wonder what Israel will have to say about this when Russia and China get their hands on their defense system against Palestinians.
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Those Iron Dome systems that the Ukrainians will have are ones that Israel sold to the United States back in 2019. At this point, I've made plenty of posts in this thread that puts Israel into the pro-Russian camp. Israel refuses to give Ukraine their Iron Dome systems, and Russia will not risk losing Israel as an ally by giving Palestine an Iron Dome system that they took from Ukraine.

Source: Israel refuses sale of Iron Dome missile defense system to Ukraine - https://ghostarchive.org/archive/Ws3T5
 
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Romeo said:
Those Iron Dome systems that the Ukrainians will have are ones that Israel sold to the United States back in 2019. At this point, I've made plenty of posts in this thread that puts Israel into the pro-Russian camp. Israel refuses to give Ukraine their Iron Dome systems, and Russia will not risk losing Israel as an ally by giving Palestine an Iron Dome system that they took from Ukraine.
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I remember this from the first time the began demanding it, but the US said they would give it to them and all is fair in love and war. You underestimate the stupidity of our overlords, and I can only imagine the heated convos betwen DC/Tel Aviv/Moscow right now.

Today's bombing runs:

Explosions thundered in the Poltava and Vinnytsia regions, in Khmelnitsky and in the Zhytomyr regions. Powerful explosions in Kiev — rockets attack targets in the capital.
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Strikes reported in the Dneprov and Darnitskiy districts. Ukrainian sources report that falling debris ignited a fire in an unnamed building, but it is reported that the building is not residential.
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In other news, last year's news of the arrests for high treason of three Russian academics working on hypersonic missile technology, who were released shortly afterward, is now breaking headline news at WaPo. (Archive).
(I thought yesterday's news went to the SF Chronicle like Redford said in All the President's Men? Did they lie to us?)
A letter of support from their colleagues (Archive, in Russian) last week is proof of...something? idk. Seems there's a lot of paranoia during war, as Steven Hatfill can attest to. Probably trying to downplay the Kinzhal's hitting the Patriot woonderwaffles yesterday.
 
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The recent lies and mixed-stories coming from Ukraine and US in regards to the current state of the patriot missile system, is why I cannot trust a single word that the MSM or Social Media report about this war. How can 'the other side' see such blatant lies and still believe what they are told? It boggles the mind.

we have had reports that the patriot missile systems are not offline, are working totally fine and destroying everything, yet Ukraine need the Iron Dome because reasons.
 
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Lets just say the best case scenario for Ukraine, only one of the missile launchers is temporarily out of action and can be repaired. Considering there's only like 4 in total, it drastically cuts down the defences of Keith for the next few days until it's repaired. It also means that a missile has to be intercepted by another launcher which then makes THAT a target.

The worst case scenario is that the radar was hit and ALL of the launchers are out of action.

I do love the Ukrainian cope of "look how much Russifags are celebrating over hitting ONE missile launcher" as if they weren't celebrating less than a week ago over how a Russian hypersonic missile got taken down. Russia finally hitting it means that either a) Russia has the capability of identifying and hitting the launchers b) Russia just got insanely lucky c) Ukraine spammed so many missiles that it was impossible to NOT find the launcher or d) the launcher fucked up and took itself out. I'm personally leaning towards C given Ukraine's absolute disregard for HIDING THEIR FUCKING WEAPONS.
 
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Feline Supremacist said:
In other news, last year's news of the arrests for high treason of three Russian academics working on hypersonic missile technology, who were released shortly afterward, is now breaking headline news at WaPo. (Archive).
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Ukies and US media make it seems like they were all arrested at the same time and they all worked on "hypersonic missile technology" of rockets that hit Kiev recently.
While in the open letter we see that:
1. They were arrested at different times - as much as year ago.
2. They were working on some aspects of fundamental science, which was proofed by commissions.
3. They were arrested - by letter authors' information - for publishing in foreign journals.
They were probably not related at all, I think. If this is a proof of anything, is that science here is fucked (and we knew that already).
За последний год трое выдающихся ученых-аэродинамиков нашего института – Анатолий Александрович Маслов, Александр Николаевич Шиплюк и Валерий Иванович Звегинцев – были арестованы по подозрению в совершении преступления по самой суровой статье уголовного кодекса – “Государственная измена”
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Over the past year, three outstanding aerodynamic scientists of our institute - Anatoly Alexandrovich Maslov, Alexander Nikolaevich Shiplyuk and Valery Ivanovich Zvegintsev - were arrested on suspicion of committing a crime under the most severe article of the criminal code - "Treason"
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Материалы всех трех уголовных дел закрыты от общества, однако мы знаем из открытых источников, что деяния, за которые наши коллеги могут провести за решеткой все оставшиеся годы жизни, представляют собой то, что во всем мире и в том числе в России, считается просто обязательной составляющей добросовестной и качественной научной деятельности – выступление с докладами на международных семинарах и конференциях, публикация статей в высокорейтинговых журналах, участие в международных научных проектах.
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The materials of all three criminal cases are closed from the public, but we know from open sources that the acts for which our colleagues can spend the rest of their lives behind bars are something that is considered mandatory all over the world, including in Russia. component of conscientious and high-quality scientific activity - presentations at international seminars and conferences, publication of articles in high-ranking journals, participation in international scientific projects.
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Bog-standard Poster said:
The recent lies and mixed-stories coming from Ukraine and US in regards to the current state of the patriot missile system, is why I cannot trust a single word that the MSM or Social Media report about this war. How can 'the other side' see such blatant lies and still believe what they are told? It boggles the mind.

we have had reports that the patriot missile systems are not offline, are working totally fine and destroying everything, yet Ukraine need the Iron Dome because reasons.
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I keep out of these threads, but yeah. Goddamn. It's pure propaganda after the Daily Mail accidently reported a near truth.

The very first article I saw when it happened .
one Patriot system destroyed , another damaged, Russia launched a full scale attack with the intention of destroying the system.

Then it became : Patriot system damage, status of other system unknown. Russia fired one hypersonic missile and a volley of regular missiles to cover it.

Then it became: Russia's failed missile strike and the value of our missile systems and why we need to support Ukraine.

What I'm seeing today.
Daily Mail: UKRAINE SHOOTS DOWN 29 OUT OF 30 UNSTOPPABLE MISSILES.


Every day this conflict continues the more it looks like a commercial for weapons.
"Does your enemy use faster that sound missiles? Try our new russiafucker, stop them in their tracks!"
"does your enemy own a patriot system? Try our new amerifuckers, it only takes one!"

And now its' a war of who can censor the most information, because if any bad information gets out, no one will want to buy the product.
 
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Starved Artist said:
And now its' a war of who can censor the most information, because if any bad information gets out, no one will want to buy the product.
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And that idea of bad information getting out, shows how much of a meme war this really is. I don't expect MSM to bat for Putin, but the absolute bare-faced lying and mixed-reporting from US and Ukraine is just embarrassing.
 
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Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
Lets just say the best case scenario for Ukraine, only one of the missile launchers is temporarily out of action and can be repaired. Considering there's only like 4 in total, it drastically cuts down the defences of Keith for the next few days until it's repaired. It also means that a missile has to be intercepted by another launcher which then makes THAT a target.
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How many Patriot Missile System Repair Crews does the Ukrainian military have?

Zero? My guess is zero.
 
Starved Artist said:
Repair? PFFFFFTTTAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

We're just going to give them another one and put it on their tab.
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Even still that's no small task. Transporting one of those systems to Kiev and setting it up takes a long time even for experienced crews much less whoever the Ukrainians scrounged up for a crash course. I also don't think a missile strike could damage one of those systems without also damaging the guys operating it. If any Patriot systems survived that attack intact they're going to be less effective now that the poor fools manning them know they're vulnerable to be vaporized now at just about any moment even based in Kiev.
 
Starved Artist said:
I keep out of these threads, but yeah. Goddamn. It's pure propaganda after the Daily Mail accidently reported a near truth.

The very first article I saw when it happened .
one Patriot system destroyed , another damaged, Russia launched a full scale attack with the intention of destroying the system.

Then it became : Patriot system damage, status of other system unknown. Russia fired one hypersonic missile and a volley of regular missiles to cover it.

Then it became: Russia's failed missile strike and the value of our missile systems and why we need to support Ukraine.

What I'm seeing today.
Daily Mail: UKRAINE SHOOTS DOWN 29 OUT OF 30 UNSTOPPABLE MISSILES.


Every day this conflict continues the more it looks like a commercial for weapons.
"Does your enemy use faster that sound missiles? Try our new russiafucker, stop them in their tracks!"
"does your enemy own a patriot system? Try our new amerifuckers, it only takes one!"

And now its' a war of who can censor the most information, because if any bad information gets out, no one will want to buy the product.
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The Patriot system is dog shit and always has been.
SaidNoOneEver said:
Even still that's no small task. Transporting one of those systems to Kiev and setting it up takes a long time even for experienced crews much less whoever the Ukrainians scrounged up for a crash course. I also don't think a missile strike could damage one of those systems without also damaging the guys operating it. If any Patriot systems survived that attack intact they're going to be less effective now that the poor fools manning them know they're vulnerable to be vaporized now at just about any moment even based in Kiev.
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I'm thinking the NATO mercs manning these systems, likely regular US Army, will be re-thinking their life choices.
 
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What a clusterfuck. Ukraine AA is so fucked it can't stop attacks on their capital and Russia just demonstrated it could leave Kiev a burning fucking crater if it wanted to. Like holy shit.

But no, tell me Ukraine is so strong it needs the fucking Iron Dome. Get fucked. Seriously.
Starved Artist said:
Every day this conflict continues the more it looks like a commercial for weapons.
"Does your enemy use faster that sound missiles? Try our new russiafucker, stop them in their tracks!"
"does your enemy own a patriot system? Try our new amerifuckers, it only takes one!"
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That's entirely what this war is. It isn't a war for freedom. For democracy. Its boomers who can't get erections anymore getting the cold war conflict they always wanted and defense contractors getting live-fire data for their weapon systems. All at the cost of Ukraine as a country, our prosperity, reputation and everything on the world stage.

To be honest, the acceleration in me is ecstatic. The Ukrainian proxy war showed the detrimental weaknesses of America and NATO, has eroded the uni-polar world, exposed the absolute failure of American foreign policy and has started the erosion of globalism as a whole.
 
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