Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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News tranny apparently has spoken at least twice in front of US government officials. I think his hand injury was just a ploy to legitimize him. He can always do the lived experience shit that's so popular today. "I was injured in battle in Ukraine. You can't tell me that".

I have a theory about this F-16 situation. Apparently the new training time line is suddenly 4 months instead of 18. 18 - 4 = 14. We're about 15 months into this whole situation. I think maybe they got some recruits early to train on F-16s in whatever country in secret and have been playing the slow game publicly. Now that the end is near the US can "change" it's position on fighters instead of spending 18 months saying "it takes 18 months to train pilots" with no enthusiasm behind it when it happens.

Now it's like the end of the 7th movie in a supercape series. "We finally got our fighters. Time to destroy Russia". Part 8 will begin with a cinematic shot of Ukraine flying f-16s into St Petersburg from Finland just to fuck with Russia.
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
Ukraine apperantly denies this:
"Russian mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin said on Saturday his Wagner fighters had completed the capture of Bakhmut, but Ukraine rejected the claim and said fighting was still going on."


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Nine months, two weeks, six days. A baby was conceived and birthed quicker than Russian Armed Forces and PMC Wagner Group taking Bakhmut.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
The effective range of an F-16 is about 400-500km (250-300 miles) for most missions in wartime conditions carrying a full armament of weapons. Google will tell you it's 800km (500 miles) but that's for a mission under ideal peacetime conditions where it takes off, flies in a straight line, drops one bomb and turns around to come straight back (nominal speed, afterburners never used, nobody shooting at you, zero evasive maneuvers, etc). They also require a runway of at least a mile to take off and land (two miles is preferable).

Look at a map of Ukraine and do the math. Even under those best-case estimates where could F-16's even operate? If such an air base exists Russia can destroy it before they even arrive or better yet wait until they're delivered and destroy the planes on the ground like they did the original Ukranian air force. Poland is too far away from the war zone to operate them from unless the plan is to use them to only patrol Lvov and maybe Kiev, places Russia doesn't even want - but then Poland would become a combatant themselves.

The whole thing is hopium and an excuse for countries to unload their aging F-16 fleets in exchange for a deal on new stuff.
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Runways aren't the problem, it's that the F-16 is not going to be able to do anything except CAP around Kiev. They would need AWAC support, which means a big ass plane with escorts in a tightly controlled airspace. Sure, it can try in the international waters area in the Black Sea. but for one it won't be real time and two, Russia is at the point of giving no fucks.

An F-16 is limited to AIM-120s with a range of less than 200 km; in a beyond visual range situation where high altitude operations are impossible due to the afore-mentioned tightly controlled airspace, an engagement between a F-16 and Russia's fighters is going to favor Russia because their missile tech is way ahead of ours, not to mention Russia's AWAC and EW capabilities (which has been used against HIMARs and Patriots).

The moment an AWAC paints targets in Russia its becomes target itself, and despite senile Joe's dementia ramblings we aren't going to do shit.

karz said:
Nine months, two weeks, six days. A baby was conceived and birthed quicker than Russian Armed Forces and PMC Wagner Group taking Bakhmut.
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karz said:
Nine months, two weeks, six days. A baby was conceived and birthed quicker than Russian Armed Forces and PMC Wagner Group taking Bakhmut.
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It's almost as if a large metropolitan area makes for incredibly protracted warfare if you don't just level the whole fucking thing for private contractor kickbacks.

It's trench warfare in three dimensions you dip.
 
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LurkTrawl said:
It's almost as if a large metropolitan area makes for incredibly protracted warfare if you don't just level the whole fucking thing for private contractor kickbacks.

It's trench warfare in three dimensions you dip.
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He meant holholbabbys;
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They mature faster, and are tasty when roasted.

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Russia isn't letting up after the victory in Artemovsk.
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The air alert has reached western Ukraine​
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Sirens are blaring in Ternopil, Rivne, Ivano-Frankivsk, Transcarpathian and Lviv regions.​
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A strong fire started at the site of one of the explosions in Dnepropetrovsk.​
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Explosions in Nikolaev: "mopeds" are buzzing over the city, kamikaze drones are flying to attack over the Nikolaev region.​

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karz said:
Nine months, two weeks, six days. A baby was conceived and birthed quicker than Russian Armed Forces and PMC Wagner Group taking Bakhmut.
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If we are using units of baby's to measure conflicts that same baby would be almost old enough to drink in the time it took the USA to take Kabul.. oh wait they failed there :story:

Anyways, I imagine Wagner could have done it quicker if they had guns instead of just shovels.
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Antenna7 said:
I still don't know why the Nazis didn't turn around and kill their own politicians.

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Glad to see they're focused on the important stuff.
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"Transformer"


Got Milk! said:
I have a theory about this F-16 situation. Apparently the new training time line is suddenly 4 months instead of 18. 18 - 4 = 14. We're about 15 months into this whole situation. I think maybe they got some recruits early to train on F-16s in whatever country in secret and have been playing the slow game publicly. Now that the end is near the US can "change" it's position on fighters instead of spending 18 months saying "it takes 18 months to train pilots" with no enthusiasm behind it when it happens.

Now it's like the end of the 7th movie in a supercape series. "We finally got our fighters. Time to destroy Russia". Part 8 will begin with a cinematic shot of Ukraine flying f-16s into St Petersburg from Finland just to fuck with Russia.
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While that certainly sounds in line with the kind of dumb optics shit DC would pull, it doesn't line up how they've treated training for other equipment they sent over. If they would do this with F-16s, you'd think they'd also do it with the Leopard 2s, Abrams, Bradleys and other major equipment we've sent over. But in the case of those we simply put Ukrainian troops on a crash training course while also taking forever to actually hand the shit over.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
How long do you suppose it'll take Ukraine to win it back?
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Well they still have like 30 days for the spring offensive to still be a spring offensive. But with a significant portion of the country being actively shelled by Russia there may be some setbacks that need to be accounted for.
 
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Yes attacking a city that was hailed as a fortress, who the enemy keeps reinforcing day and night(because Bakhmut totally meant nothing) will take time. You have drones giving away your position at all times, you have anti air defenses that can shoot down planes and helicopters with ease, this isn't the US rolling up on sandniggers without an airforce or without any tanks and blasting them to hell. These are two equal militaries in terms of technology and training, except Russia is basically doing it all themselves, where Ukraine has every retarded western country bending over, fucking over their own people in the process to give cokehead Zelensky all the money, tanks, planes, and even human lives possible to throw at the Russians. I still laugh at mouth breathing retards who think it was Ukraine who sprung the trap on the Russians and totally suffered only 1/5 the casualties of the Russians despite being outshelled 10 to 1, and despite evidence on the ground from soldiers saying they rarely ever saw the Russian soldiers because they were being shelled and Russians would only move in when the coast was clear.
 
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Bog-standard Poster said:

Zelensky says Bakhmut not occupied by Russia. Has been saying this at the G7

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65567143 (13th May)

Says russia is lying about advances in Bakhmut and Ukraine is totally winning.

Why does anyone continue to fall for these lies?
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it might be the frog in hot water thing. The lies have just been getting bigger and bigger over time. But i think a lot of world leaders with half a brain is noticing that the lies aren't adding up anymore, but they can't say anything because the US will bully them into submission.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
How many countries still name streets and have national holidays in honor of their Nazi "national heroes" like Bandera?

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Do they practise any tenants of National Socialism? If they don't they're not nazis. No matter how many streets they name after them, otherwise the US would be nazis for taking nazi scientists to build their rockets.
 
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Spud said:
Do they practise any tenants of National Socialism? If they don't they're not nazis. No matter how many streets they name after them, otherwise the US would be nazis for taking nazi scientists to build their rockets.
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Many times Ukrainian politicians have to apologize for antisemitism. Praising Nazi collaborators is a routine occurrence. Many are virulently anti-Russian to the point of encouraging genocide of the Russian speakers of Ukraine (they celebrate and downplay the 15K+ civilians killed 2014-22). The more overt Ukronazis don't even hide it, that's why they've got swastikas and more or less the same economic (corporatism), religious (all trad Christians or neopagans), and political (want a dictatorship led by a fuhrer type figure) beliefs as the original Nazis, just like Western neo-Nazis.

But let's get real. Could Germany get away with putting up a statue of Hitler or Himmler with the excuse "well he did some good things too?" You can't put up a statue of Stalin in the Ukraine even though he did some good things too for the Ukraine.
 
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