Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[borsabil]

Glad to see they're focused on the important stuff.

"Transformer"

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While that certainly sounds in line with the kind of dumb optics shit DC would pull, it doesn't line up how they've treated training for other equipment they sent over. If they would do this with F-16s, you'd think they'd also do it with the Leopard 2s, Abrams, Bradleys and other major equipment we've sent over. But in the case of those we simply put Ukrainian troops on a crash training course while also taking forever to actually hand the shit over.

Like the missile batteries the F16's will be operated by pilots from western air forces larping as mercs/volunteers.

The learning curve from Soviet to NATO aircraft is just about impossible, too much muscle memory to overcome and they don't have time to train from scratch.

Throw in the fact that hundreds of maintenance personnel, all rated to work on the platform, will be needed to keep the things flying, and we're talking a massive commitment in men and equipment for not a lot of benefit.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65662563

Zelensky says Bakhmut not occupied by Russia. Has been saying this at the G7

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65567143 (13th May)

Says russia is lying about advances in Bakhmut and Ukraine is totally winning.

Why does anyone continue to fall for these lies?

Our main government controlled TV outfit is reporting that Ukraine and Russia are disputing who is really in control of Bakhmut. It's all up in the air at the moment and no one can really be sure but of course the Russians are lying.

My normie wife told me today that she heard that Russia had suffered a big defeat in the war and Ukraine was winning.

This is all well and good until Ukraine loses, which they 100% are going to.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

My normie wife told me today that she heard that Russia had suffered a big defeat in the war and Ukraine was winning.

"That's nice dear. What's for dinner?"
Best way to make a marriage work.

Spoiler

No, really.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Wagner Operational Pause | Full Front Update 22/05/23​

https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/OhksT7RD-WA

https://english.nv.ua/nation/russia-likely-creating-new-elite-attack-aviation-group-to-strike-ukraine-uk-intel-50326232.html

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/RVRuc

Zelensky is beginning to screw his allies

https://www.laprensalatina.com/lula-upset-after-zelenskyy-a-no-show-to-hiroshima-meeting/

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/qqUXZ

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/17348

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/uiQZP

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/17214

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/kGafK?wr=false

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/6IAUr

Can anyone explain what's this supposed to do if they won't promise to protect Ukr against Rus?

https://archive.md/3GvAt

 

[Antenna7]

Bakhmut is surrounded! Victory is near!

 

[Useful_Mistake]

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/5DXfn

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

I saw this flag hanging on somebody's porch, walking the dog yesterday. Did a doubletake. Turns out it is for sale and mass produced. (Link to Amazon.)




I'm no fan of Russia, honestly don't see an endgame to this conflict that will either benefit or hurt the USA, but shit like this bugs me. No, the USA and Ukraine do not blend into each other. No we are not even really allies.

I guess it might even be technically illegal under all the autistic laws the USA has about flag handling, display and disposal? Granted if there's a dead letter out there, it is those laws, but still.

Sorry for the rant, but this is one of the more egregious displays I think I've seen. And I'm not even much of a USA patriortard, but I would think the flag should stand for something.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

I'm no fan of Russia, honestly don't see an endgame to this conflict that will either benefit or hurt the USA,

It sure as fuck will hurt the US

1. We've shown NATO is limpdicked and can't fight a protracted conflict
2. The US has pissed away all kinds of strategic level assets that will be need for China or the next ground war we engage in.
3. The US has lost its capability to engage in policy change via economic means. Many countries don't want to be bullied and are joining CIPS and the Shanghai cooperative vs. working with globohomo.

 

[Muppetstudios]

Archive

Loses 100% of a city "insists is not lost"

Cope and Sneed

 

[Uncle Holter]

Many times Ukrainian politicians have to apologize for antisemitism. Praising Nazi collaborators is a routine occurrence. Many are virulently anti-Russian to the point of encouraging genocide of the Russian speakers of Ukraine (they celebrate and downplay the 15K+ civilians killed 2014-22). The more overt Ukronazis don't even hide it, that's why they've got swastikas and more or less the same economic (corporatism), religious (all trad Christians or neopagans), and political (want a dictatorship led by a fuhrer type figure) beliefs as the original Nazis, just like Western neo-Nazis.

The western media played up all that stuff back in like 2017. It was part of an obvious Gay-ops to trick nationalists in to fighting for ZOG and their proxy war against Russia. The people who fell for it are either braindead or not real National Socialists.

I get it, you keep parroting a fake and gay western psy-op narrative because it fits well with the narrative Russia is going for, but that does not make it true or even that it makes sense.

Yes, there are people who claims to be National Socialists fighting for ZOG in Ukraine, just like there are self proclaimed Conservatives that support capitalism and the free-market even though it has destroyed literally every traditional institution and practice under the sun. It still makes no sense to call those people NS or conservative as then you are confusing yourself and poisoning your own mental faculties by letting them trojan horse falsehoods in to your thinking. Do we let people self identify their sex or do we let media decide what race someone belongs to? No! So why let people get away with this but with political labels? It can be just as harmful when it comes to warping your thinking.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

It sure as fuck will hurt the US

1. We've shown NATO is limpdicked and can't fight a protracted conflict
2. The US has pissed away all kinds of strategic level assets that will be need for China or the next ground war we engage in.
3. The US has lost its capability to engage in policy change via economic means. Many countries don't want to be bullied and are joining CIPS and the Shanghai cooperative vs. working with globohomo.

Tbh the big gain for the US is knowing how fucking useless all these weapons and missiles actually are in a conventional conflict. If they actually used their knowledge from this war to mass produce basic firearms that don't jam, conventional ammo that can be mass produced, tanks that can be built with quantity over quality etc. then the US would be able to steamroll any enemies they encounter.

But we know for a fact that they won't, they'll blow their entire military budget on a new plane that they can only afford 2 of that requires its own fucking fueling factory and can be deployed once per conflict because of the price of its specialist missiles. Also if the wind is too windy it's unable to fly.

 

[Male Idiot]

I saw this flag hanging on somebody's porch, walking the dog yesterday. Did a doubletake. Turns out it is for sale and mass produced. (Link to Amazon.)

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I'm no fan of Russia, honestly don't see an endgame to this conflict that will either benefit or hurt the USA, but shit like this bugs me. No, the USA and Ukraine do not blend into each other. No we are not even really allies.

I guess it might even be technically illegal under all the autistic laws the USA has about flag handling, display and disposal? Granted if there's a dead letter out there, it is those laws, but still.

Sorry for the rant, but this is one of the more egregious displays I think I've seen. And I'm not even much of a USA patriortard, but I would think the flag should stand for something.

Nice Sonichu flags. They will help the merge!

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

Just two more weeks guys!

 

[ConsentAccidentVictimNo98]

Nine months, two weeks, six days. A baby was conceived and birthed quicker than Russian Armed Forces and PMC Wagner Group taking Bakhmut.

Yes. because fighting through a city is typically one of the hardest military endeavors one can partake in for multiple different reasons for one simple reason: Buildings. They basically have the ability to become forts, supply hubs etc all within a very narrow front. Any window you can see can have a gun in it which gives you too options: Fight a bloody battle to try to capture the building or blow it to the ground. If you take the former what you get is essentially a battle along the corridors of the building. Stairwells become meatgrinders and no sane general would chose this simply because it will waste their men in the name of glory. This is why Bakhmut was destroyed in the battle. Zelensky's stubbornness led to it. He wanted it to be a simple of moral as an unimplementable fortress that would be his Verdun so he could get more gibs for cocaine. Really, going through the city was a good move for Wagner as it helped negate any potential gibs and rather was a battle of manpower.

Maneuver warfare was popularized specifically in World War 2 (though it definitely was prevalent before it) and was the evolution of siege tactics. Operations such as Little Saturn, the 1943 donbas operation (which saw the Red Army surround the entire donbas instead of fighting through it) and many others were both meant to stop reinforcements come into the urban region as they considered it to be undesirable. Instead, with Bakhmut it seems Russia's objective was to partially cut off the road to stop heavy units from coming it but still allowed men to potentially enter the city (hence making it a meat grinder).

Many have pointed out that sieges lasted years in the past. This is true, but there have also been urban battles which have lasted at a long ass time. The 2016-17 battle of Mosul only lasted around 2 weeks and 4 days less (yes I am aware of the differing scale of the cities). The battle of Aleppo in the Syrian Civil War lasted over 4 years. Urban warfare is not a short affair. It is prolonged, protracted and bloody.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Fellas I heard on one of the many schizo meme channels I browse something about a group called "Freedom of Russia Legion" who claims to be some sort of Anti-Putin Russian Paramilitary who attacked a city called Belgorod.

How much of a nothingburger are these guys? A quick search seems to show a extremely astroturfed glowie op that is totally real and made up of 100% real Russians doing fuck all. I am more interested to see if these guys are some sort of retarded UA ploy, a actual bunch of Ruskie grifting the west out of money a lá Zelensky or are they CIA's worst false flag yet?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Buildings

Agreed, and I'm going to add there's a factor often overlooked; many of these buildings still had civilians in them. The population of Eastern Ukrainian is overwhelmingly Russian and has been ever since Catherine the Great encouraged Russians to move there to make it the industrial base for the Empire of Russia.

Ukraine often ignores or outright lies about how this Russian part of Ukraine was expanded and incorporated into the Ukraine SSR by Lenin and Khrushchev along with its Russian population. The Ukrainian regime considers the Russian ethnic population undesirable Russian sympathizers and forced those who couldn't leave to remain. Wagner found several dozen civilians in basements and evacuated them-mostly the very old and very young. They were also taken into account, which slowed progress down.

Wagner didn't want to kill innocent civilians, but Ukraine was more than willing to do so. Let that sink in. Remember this when anyone calls Wagnerites "bloodthirsty mercenary convict murderers".

 

[Matt Damon]

Nine months, two weeks, six days. A baby was conceived and birthed quicker than Russian Armed Forces and PMC Wagner Group taking Bakhmut.

lmao is the new cope seriously that the Russians are winning, but not fast enough to impress you?

"Okay, so you fucked my wife, but you didn't even last very long!"

 

[There Is Light At The End]

Fellas I heard on one of the many schizo meme channels I browse something about a group called "Freedom of Russia Legion" who claims to be some sort of Anti-Putin Russian Paramilitary who attacked a city called Belgorod.

How much of a nothingburger are these guys? A quick search seems to show a extremely astroturfed glowie op that is totally real and made up of 100% real Russians doing fuck all. I am more interested to see if these guys are some sort of retarded UA ploy, a actual bunch of Ruskie grifting the west out of money a lá Zelensky or are they CIA's worst false flag yet?

AFU bombing some village as severe case of peremoga. now, zrada gonna be no electricity for entire Ukraine or something

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

But we know for a fact that they won't, they'll blow their entire military budget on a new plane that they can only afford 2 of that requires its own fucking fueling factory and can be deployed once per conflict because of the price of its specialist missiles. Also if the wind is too windy it's unable to fly.

The dirty little secret about that billion-dollar plane or naval vessel is that it's a jobs program more than being intended for real war use. The reason those programs are ridiculously expensive is that parts for the same system are made in almost every state by different manufacturers and are then supposed to work together like Legos when the manufacturers don't even talk to one another. That's how pork works.

Agreed, and I'm going to add there's a factor often overlooked; many of these buildings still had civilians in them. The population of Eastern Ukrainian is overwhelmingly Russian and has been ever since Catherine the Great encouraged Russians to move there to make it the industrial base for the Empire of Russia.

Ukraine often ignores or outright lies about how this Russian part of Ukraine was expanded and incorporated into the Ukraine SSR by Lenin and Khrushchev along with its Russian population. The Ukrainian regime considers the Russian ethnic population undesirable Russian sympathizers and forced those who couldn't leave to remain. Wagner found several dozen civilians in basements and evacuated them-mostly the very old and very young. They were also taken into account, which slowed progress down.

Wagner didn't want to kill innocent civilians, but Ukraine was more than willing to do so. Let that sink in. Remember this when anyone calls Wagnerites "bloodthirsty mercenary convict murderers".

That's how Russia is able to hold so many Ukranian areas with so few troops: the residents want them there. If there was opposition the Russians would need an occupying force 10x larger. Ukranians are the ones intentionally killing civilians, not the Russians.

 

[Antenna7]

https://twitter.com/ricwe123/status/1660568468104642560

 

[Betonhaus]

who could've thought that DU ammo was a bad thing? at this point introducing that stuff into a war should count as a war crime