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Spain wants EU-wide ban on end-to-end encryption​

A leaked document shows the different positions of EU countries. Poland wants to ensure parents always have access to their children's encrypted communications
May 23, 2023, 13:02

From a network policy perspective, it is currently probably one of the most controversial topics - not only - in the EU: end-to-end encryption of widely used messengers such as Whatsapp or Signal. This would make life considerably more difficult for law enforcement agencies, according to the arguments of those who advocate a kind of "chat control. They envision a backdoor for the authorities that would allow them - usually directly on the user's smartphone - to gain insight into the discussions of a target person or at least to automatically compare them with databases of some kind.

However, such ideas set off alarm bells among data protectionists. In their eyes, this would inevitably lead to a comprehensive surveillance system, even if the proponents of such a solution like to assure that it is intended exclusively to combat the dissemination of depictions of sexualized violence against children.

A leak
A leak now reveals how different the positions of the individual EU states are on this topic: "Wired" has obtained an internal document from the EU's law enforcement working group, in which the positions of the individual states on the topic are collected. Spain and Poland in particular present themselves as hardliners.

The strongest position comes from Madrid: The Spanish government wants a complete ban on end-to-end encryption. Specifically, it would be "desirable if EU service providers were legally prohibited from offering end-to-end encryption.

Poland also wants surveillance
By comparison, Poland is almost liberal. There, at least, the desire is expressed that a weakening of end-to-end encryption should be avoided. At the same time, however, they want someone to be able to take a look if the worst comes to the worst. But Poland has another scenario in mind: It should always be possible for parents to read their children's encrypted communications.

Poland would also generally like any form of encryption to be revoked after a court order. Of course, this would then be tantamount to a general backdoor for encryption, which would also have to be imposed on all service providers.

Opposition
But there are also many countries that more or less clearly oppose ideas for chat control. This is made particularly clear by the Netherlands, which makes it clear in its statement that a decryption option is "neither desirable nor necessary."

Several other countries, such as Germany and Finland, also raise concerns. Germany, for example, emphasizes that current drafts on the subject would not be compatible with the German legal situation.

Austria missing
Incidentally, the document does not contain a statement from Austria. Recently, however, the government has at least publicly positioned itself against such plans. Only a few days ago, Justice Minister Alma Zadić, together with her colleagues from Germany, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg and Switzerland, publicly criticized the current EU plans. (apo, 5/23/2023)​

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How about parents take responsibility for the actions of their children and stop fucking around with everyone else's privacy?
If you have a kid, you're paying for their phone plan, and you paid for their tablet. Yoink it and check the browser history. If you're still suspicious, check the router. It's not hard if you actually parent.
 
If you have a kid, you're paying for their phone plan, and you paid for their tablet. Yoink it and check the browser history. If you're still suspicious, check the router. It's not hard if you actually parent.
Or a better idea, don't give your child a fucking smartphone or tablet unless it's HEAVILY catered to children and only has actual kid-friendly content available on it. It's either that or you watch everything either with or better yet, BEFORE you allow your kids to watch whatever content you allow them to view at all!
 
Or a better idea, don't give your child a fucking smartphone or tablet unless it's HEAVILY catered to children and only has actual kid-friendly content available on it. It's either that or you watch everything either with or better yet, BEFORE you allow your kids to watch whatever content you allow them to view at all!
Oh I fully fucking agree with that. A 6 yo shouldn't have one. The most he gets is the FAMILY computer, in the living room where everyone can see him. Parents giving young children smart devices was a mistake. Go outside.
 
I got my own PC when I was 10 or 11 and even that probably stunted my development (I've ended up on KF, after all). The fact that kindergartners have their own Internet-connected mobile devices is horrifying.
I've had access to a computer as long as I can remember. Difference being that the PC stayed at home when I was at school. I had to read or play my DS. Smart devices are on a whole nother level of crazy
 
I won't be surprised if there might be some double standards about encryption. I have the feeling then some wise guys might pass some content as kid-friendly under the radar.
"Kid friendly content" according to actual websites aimed at children include anti-white racism and material encouraging them to troon out.
 
Spain is going increasingly crazy recently. Next thing you know, they'll be using it to make sure your kids are not being transphobic in secret after their gender equality hour at the drag library.

This is also just a cope out. Parents who gives their kids devices and don't monitor what they do won't suddenly start making an effort. It's not like they are being stopped by the encryption.

When it comes to law enforcement, it's clearly a joke. If they really cared, these guys could definitely do a lot more to stop these creeps before it even gets to the encrypted channels. Breaking encryption is only relevant after the offense has been committed.

If every country had a team to actively bait the predators at the source and just swapped the ones they can't get to with other countries, the could do a lot more and actually prevent harm before it happens.
 
Eliminating end to end encryption completely destroys online banking lmao.
See, from their point of view, it's still end-to-end. It's encrypted on the banks end, and decrypted on your end. Don't worry about it being decrypted on the feds servers, it's encrypted when it reaches you! We only hire the best of the best, and if we can't hire the best, we'll just lock them up!
 
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