EU European court condemns Romania for violating gay couples’ rights - There is no end to the Western bullying, make it stop

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STRASBOURG: Europe's top court on Tuesday ruled that Romania is violating the rights of same-sex couples by refusing to legally recognise their unions, dealing a further blow to the socially conservative country.
In Romania, an EU member since 2007, homosexuality was decriminalised only in 2001, but the country still bars marriage and civil partnerships for same-sex couples.
In recent years, the Eastern European country has made several attempts to restrict LGBTQ rights, including trying to axe gender identity studies at universities and schools.
The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) on Tuesday ruled -- by five votes to two -- that Romania is in violation of Article eight of the European Convention on Human Rights, which provides for the right to respect for private and family life.
The judgement by the Strasbourg-based court follows legal complaints brought by 21 same-sex couples before the ECHR in 2019 and 2020, who argued they had been denied certain rights provided for married couples under Romanian law.
'Historic decision'
“This is a historic decision. Romania must recognise and protect same-sex families,“ said Romanian NGO Accept, which supported the initiative launched by a Romanian same-sex couple four years ago.
“Romania must stop the discrimination by law,“ initiators Florin Buhuceanu and Victor Ciobotaru said in a statement, as they vowed to continue their efforts “until equality in front of the law will become a reality in our country”.
While the Romanian government -- represented by an official -- argued that the majority of Romanians disapprove of same-sex unions, the court found that this “cannot be set against the applicants’ interest in having their respective relationships adequately recognised and protected by law”.
In its ruling, the ECHR also stressed that “allowing the recognition of same-sex unions would not undermine the institution of marriage since heterosexual couples can still marry”.
Romania’s influential Orthodox Church has repeatedly spoken out against civil partnerships and in 2018 backed a “family referendum” that would ultimately ban gay unions.
“Civil partnership is the toxic source (as seen in other societies) of the dissolution of the family’s importance and morally formative authority”, it said in a press release.
The judicial arm of the Council of Europe recalled that member states are required to provide a legal framework that allows for the adequate recognition and protection of the relationship between same-sex couples. - AFP

 

[Male Idiot]

Vlad come on. Get the stakes and steal the copper wire from Brussels.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Is this because of Andrew Tate's arrest on ambiguous charges?

 

[AgendaPoster]

Is this because of Andrew Tate's arrest on ambiguous charges?

No relation, it's just a decade+ long struggle between the state (and its people) and the progressive European Union structures. NGOs funded from the West use local gay couples to open up lawsuits. There are some on trans issues too, as we don't recognize their self-ID and require a long process under medical supervision, including SRS, to change their ID. Sometimes, couples like these go and marry in Netherlands or France or w/e, and come to Romania and cry that it's not recognized even as it's the EU, and NGOs file lawsuits, which Romanian institutions dismiss, and then it goes to the EU ECHR.
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More details from Pink News:

One can notice that democracy is completely irrelevant to the ECHR and the EU, and they're not even hiding it. "Human rights" trump everything.
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Below, the ML translation of the local Orthodox Church to this (they're not happy, and this speaker for the Church is actually quite progressive, he bashes heads with more conservative higher ups in the Church all the damn time and generally mocks reactionaries on his Facebook)

"The legal framework that optimally protects the "upbringing, education and training of children" is only the natural family (Art. 48(1) of the Romanian Constitution). From a moral point of view, civil partnership is a surrogate of marriage and a destructive element of the spiritual and moral order in society. The legalisation of civil partnerships has become everywhere it has been accepted the first step towards the legalisation of 'same-sex marriage', it is only the means by which this 'marriage' can be achieved.
Granting legal status to same-sex 'couples' by legalising civil partnerships has turned out to be nothing more than a sly and politically expedient move towards granting the 'right' to marry to people who, by the nature of their free sexual choices, are nevertheless outside the founding rationales and purposes of the natural family based on marriage.
The experience of states that have legalised same-sex marriage is telling. However, the field of family law is "closely linked to the cultural and historical traditions of each society and its deep-seated conceptions", so no European or international text can oblige states to create a particular status for those who cohabit, whether they are of different or the same sex," Vasile Bănescu adds.

They mention the slippery slope, good.
These events that typically go unnoticed are good to peek into how "human rights" and progressivism are forced in when a society opposes the backdoor attempts to corrupt it and the clash between the two sides becomes visible. If they can, progressives will just do things quietly, to not provoke a reactionary backlash. When that fails, it's time to put the foot on the door and use institutional power, democracy can get screwed, "will of the people" simply does not exist.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

If there's one thing TPTB can't handle, it's being told "no".

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone since the EU is as synonymous with ramming gay shit down your throat as the USSR was with communism.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

If there's one thing TPTB can't handle, it's being told "no".

And to be more precise, we could said it's one kind of (((TPTB))).

 

[AgendaPoster]

Quote tweets to the ECHR ruling on Twitter are full of Central and East European faggots that are now celebrating that they can sue their own governments for discrimination in areas where their faggotry is not approved of. Poles, Lithuanians etc.
Among these, an analysis of how we got to this hell stage and how fast it can be done, in complete disregard of public desires and opinions.
We're so fucked.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

How is being recognized as marries a right?

 

[Miller]

“This is a historic decision. Romania must recognise and protect same-sex families,“ said Romanian NGO Accept,

Another NGO with an english name trying to suppress the autonomy of a country.

 

[AgendaPoster]

How is being recognized as marries a right?

It mostly is if your government says it is. Remember the anti-desegregation protests in the US being met with the armed Arkansas National Guard and the 101st Airborne Division? I do - and that happened eons ago in terms of social issues, in a conservative part of a conservative, anti-communist country.
However, the more interesting part is "what exactly is a right".
Heterosexual couples getting married, is that a right? Why and how?
To me, rights are just tools of bullying that modern governments use.
In a previous incarnation of an English classic liberalism tradition, we had a social contract. The masses gave up some of their rights, but ONLY so that the governing body could maintain order, crush anarchy, and implement the law of the land. Nowadays governments tend to allow some anarchy, as long as it affects their political opposition most.

Another NGO with an english name trying to suppress the autonomy of a country.

Barely 5 years after the country removed its totalitarian rule, in circumstances that you will probably NOT be surprised by:
Progressive history from Wikipedia (About Us page from Accept NGO is not available anymore, scrubbed?, contained some historical founding data)

The association was established in a deeply homophobic socio-political context, where the very activity of the organisation that was to register as ACCEPT was illegal under Article 200, and homosexuality was demagogically associated with child sexual abuse. Discrimination, police abuse, violence and harassment against the LGBT community in 1990s Romania were common, with non-heteronormative people suffering from poor or profoundly negative cultural and media visibility and unable to actively participate in influencing civil and political rights as citizens.
Romania's transition in the 1990s from a totalitarian system to a democratic government did extremely little for the rights of non-heteronormative people, mainly due to the instability of the government which was more than disinterested in changing their situation. While most former communist European countries transitioned to institutions emulating Western models as a result of external pressures, in Romania things happened much more slowly, with no really significant positive changes in terms of rights and education for 10 years after the fall of the dictatorship, with legislation continuing to criminalize LGBT citizens and non-citizens, placing the country among the last in the Eastern European bloc to decriminalize homosexuality.
The attitudes to sexuality in Romania of those years, some scholars argue, are the result of a cultural and identity hybrid composed of a range of influences and traditions. These mentalities should be understood through the lens of the eclectic heritage received by the population throughout its history - varied cultural influences and long-standing indoctrination under the communist regime - but also modern social and political forces from the confusing post-communist social norms, weak social organisation and lack of adequate political representation through civil society voices, to the dominance of religious influence, the dichotomy between the desire of some segments of the population to align with Western standards and other segments to politically invent elements of an exclusive national identity.

Establishment of the organization​

The foundations of ACCEPT's work were laid in 1994, when the Bucharest Acceptance Group,[13] an informal structure created to promote open, constructive and rational dialogue on the complex subject of same-sex relationships, was established.
Following a symposium held in Bucharest in 1995 entitled "Homosexuality - a human right?" attended by representatives of the Government, the Parliament, the Romanian Orthodox Church and LGBT and human rights organisations, a small group of volunteers and sympathisers made up of locals and members of the diaspora decided to set up a stable independent organisation with the aim of protecting LGBT rights in Romania.
ACCEPT was registered as a non-governmental organisation on 25 October 1996 Due to the presence of Article 200, ACCEPT activists had to register as a non-governmental human rights organisation, as it was not legal to establish LGBT civic groups at that time. The many activities and projects carried out by the association included supporting members of sexual minorities by providing free services such as legal advice and medical assistance, providing information about sexual minorities, and lobbying for gay rights. Adrian Relu Coman was the first executive director of the organization from 1997-2002.
A major event that brought ACCEPT to public attention was the hosting of the 22nd ILGA-Europe conference on 14-18 October 2000. The conference was entitled "ACCEPTing Diversity" and was funded by prestigious institutions, some of them well-known in Romania, such as the Heinrich Böll Foundation and the Open Society Foundation. Among the participants was Joke Swiebel, Member of the European Parliament. The event was covered by all national news agencies.

Now the spicy part:

One of the most active foreign organisations in the non-governmental sector has Soros Foundation, which has spawned a significant number of organizations in the Romanian organisations, either directly or through a chain that gave birth to the organisations, one after the other, or supported them financially when they were founded. Foundation Soros is the so-called American father, the protective umbrella under which ApadorCH was born and which later took the initiative to set up Accept, which financially supports Romanian Academic Society in its foundation, which sets up the Open Society Institute, and which in 1998 gave birth to the Centru de Resure Juridice, which is one of the most active and important funders on the non-governmental market the 1990s. In fact, the Soros Foundation had a number of programmes that it outsourced, setting up the so-called SOROS bubbles in Romania: "SOROS operated in Romania in the early 1990s as a foundation mother foundation and within this foundation, which at the time was called Foundation for an Open Society, now called SOROS, they had different programs, they had programs for Roma, they had programs on education, they had programmes on legal, and they also had branches in Cluj, in Iasi, in Timișoara. And in 1998 they thought, because the legal programme was extraordinary difficult and complicated, let's create a separate entity, to try to specialize them and have them do just that. And that's how we came into 1998. In 2000, they realized that they had done well and that things were going well. and then in 2000 they made the decision to separate all the programs in the way this way. And that's how what are nowadays the SOROS bubbles in Romania appeared, 13 of them, if I'm not mistaken, as I said by specialization, in various places in the country, because they are not all in Bucharest "

Regarding the appearance of ACCEPT:
"There have been several failed attempts. There was a group in the 1990s that was called Total 45, another group was associated with the human rights organization that existed at the time and created a bit of a niche in this area .... I forget name, it's not LADO, but I'll get the name, and that disappeared as well, which made the place completely empty in 1994 and then, to have somewhere to start, we said that those who were around then, we said it was... it was time to at least challenge a public discourse on the subject, to promote a debate of the space on the subject sexual orientation. There have been a few public debates at UNESCO where there were invited representatives of the Church, because in those days you couldn't have an opinion without being assisted by a servant. [...] Basically, a good part of the first activists of the ACCEPT came from the Helsinki Committee area, or gravitated to the Helsinki Committee. I'm referring here to Vera Câmpeanu, who was the first director of the SOROS Foundation in Romania... because Vera remembers, she was in those moments, right from the beginning, and I can give you some suggestions related to about Vera. Moreover, Vera was .... running the minority program at Helsinki Committee and she was keen to have the minorities portfolio sexual minorities, although if you ask me, and you will ask her, I don't think it was a very popular decision, even among her fellow activists. I am the man who has a great deal of gratitude for her, because at that time she had verticality and above all persistence, so she didn't give in, and in that way Helsinki Committee became a pole of pro-gay initiatives, which was great. a great thing. That's how the first contacts with Human Rights Watch, with International Gay for Human Rigths Commission, the first monitoring visits to prisons in Romania"

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Sounds like its time for Romania to abandon the Union. An United States of Europe was always a bad idea.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Sounds like its time for Romania to abandon the Union. An United States of Europe was always a bad idea.

+1, I agree and the way the European Union go, it's a sinking ship.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

What, you thought that you could join NATO and have no consequences? Now they're after your children, time to pay the toll.

 

[FierceBrosnan]

Just because Romania is a part of the EU doesn't mean they need to completely revamp culture and law to suit anyone else. Why can't these faggoty orgs ever go after .. I don't know name any country in OPEC?

 

[AgendaPoster]

Just because Romania is a part of the EU doesn't mean they need to completely revamp culture and law to suit anyone else. Why can't these faggoty orgs ever go after .. I don't know name any country in OPEC?

Ignore the NATO and EU stuff, it's here because (like me!) the users mentioning it have an agenda.
If you read my quotes, all of the foundation stones were laid out in the 90s, immediately after the revolution that overthrew Ceausescu. Soros' Open Society immediately opened up shop, and in the 90s we were far less informed and had far fewer information sources, and the country was unstable and unable to resist these external influences. Which did not seem like much at the time, I might add.
It took decades to detect and start opposing these NGOs and the rich fucks behind them, and it's gonna be an uphill battle, not just for Romania, but all of Europe.
But it's not even a full century since we tried, as a continent, to find an answer to this perennial Question, so one can remain somewhat optimistic.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Ignore the NATO and EU stuff, it's here because (like me!) the users mentioning it have an agenda.
If you read my quotes, all of the foundation stones were laid out in the 90s, immediately after the revolution that overthrew Ceausescu. Soros' Open Society immediately opened up shop, and in the 90s we were far less informed and had far fewer information sources, and the country was unstable and unable to resist these external influences. Which did not seem like much at the time, I might add.
It took decades to detect and start opposing these NGOs and the rich fucks behind them, and it's gonna be an uphill battle, not just for Romania, but all of Europe.
But it's not even a full century since we tried, as a continent, to find an answer to this perennial Question, so one can remain somewhat optimistic.

So you made a deal with the devil, and now you're trying to weasel out of it when the devil came to collect? Don't think it will be that easy. Just look at how Ukraine ended up, that's what happens when the NGOs get full reign of the country.

 

[AgendaPoster]

So you made a deal with the devil, and now you're trying to weasel out of it when the devil came to collect? Don't think it will be that easy. Just look at how Ukraine ended up, that's what happens when the NGOs get full reign of the country.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

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Must be why Romania is such an influential world power.

In retrospect, doesn't the deal Belarus got look better now? Look at Minsk, they got nice clean streets, not much faggotry or other western values, and Lukashenko's strong and firm hand on the steering wheel.

And sure, they got the same problem with western backed NGOs, but at least Lukashenko is doing something about it and not letting them run the country.