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Kari Kamiya said:
Meanwhile, studios were considering leaving 2D behind way before Shrek because of Toy Story's unfathomable success. Shrek just stands out for being the "anti-Disney" and rubbing it in Disney's faces that it won an award over all of those beloved Disney movies when it's the goddamn Academy's fault in the first place. They didn't even give Snow White a nomination either, mind you, the cute Seven Dwarfs Oscar statues was just for show, it's not a real official award to celebrate the movie for its ambitiousness.
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Paramount with Jimmy Neutron, Fox with Ice Age, Sony with Open Season, Warner Bros. with Happy Feet, and even Disney's own in-house studio with Chicken Little (even though they already did so five years prior with Dinosaur). All throughout the 2000s, major film studios and even indie studios were keeping in touch with the industry by abandoning the traditional animation routes. All of which was due to Shrek's huge success.
 
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Oilspill Battery said:
This looks like some gave a 12 year old's deviant art OC its own netflix series. Talent truly is irrelevant in modern day and age, nepotism reigns supreme.
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She made she ra, a show that got the troons happy and the fanboys left over from the 80s mad. That's all you need to make in the industry these days. Piss off the right people appeal to the wrong ones, up is down black is white.
thegooddoctor said:
can animators not cope with the straining work that goes into fully animating everything anymore? I get that it is a tough as hell job but why has this been normalized?
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Do you remember what the few brave souls who worked on sausage party said? They pretty much had Rogan and his goon squad cone in tell them, "we're the a list celebs and you are nothing. So make this sex comedy with food amd make it by summer 2016 or your jobs go to korea." They were essentially locked in forced to work overtime for no extra pay and treated like slaves just so Rogan can laugh his ass off at food fucking.


Even in the west animators are treated like shit. I think the only people who have it worse are public school teachers, amd like teachers they put the most bare bone effort into the job because it wouldn't make their lives any better if they did anything more.
 
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A Grey Cat said:
Even in the west animators are treated like shit. I think the only people who have it worse are public school teachers, amd like teachers they put the most bare bone effort into the job because it wouldn't make their lives any better if they did anything more.
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Like American and Canadian studios? Like Nitrogen Studios had animated Sausage Party, but Seth Rogen and his circlejerk butt buddies had to ruin the up-and-coming talented animators of the industry with horrendous crunch work, especially the more top-tier animators graduated from Sheridan or Capilano University. Even most of them are just out of the jobs or moved on to different careers or have moved to other animation industries... or just do not want to work with Seth Rogen, all following after that horror story.
 
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A Grey Cat said:
She made she ra, a show that got the troons happy and the fanboys left over from the 80s mad. That's all you need to make in the industry these days. Piss off the right people appeal to the wrong ones, up is down black is white.
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Knowing that there's so many talented people with genuinely good stories to tell that get overlooked in favour of some retard that has the right politics and knows the right people with netflix literally not even caring about whether or not it will actually make them profit as long as it pushes the message is one of the few things that actually makes mati.

Imagine if netflix (or any other studio for that matter) was this cavalier about funding risky avant garde projects by people who actually love the medium, or shit, even safe projects guarenteed to make a buck by people who care about animation and storytelling.

This is the biggest waste of corporate money in history and its not even being used to forward the medium in any significant capacity.
 
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Oilspill Battery said:
Imagine if netflix (or any other studio for that matter) was this cavalier about funding risky avant garde projects by people who actually love the medium, or shit, even safe projects guarenteed to make a buck by people who care about animation and storytelling.
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That's because Netflix has always been designed as a corporate business. They know nothing about the concept of animation, let alone adult animation, nor the concept of storytelling, thus they tend to pick up whatever must be picked as a series.
 
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TVBForever said:
That's because Netflix has always been designed as a corporate business.
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That's the issue. They are ALREADY burning money on dead-end projects that nobody cares about and won't make a profit.

I'm not complaining that they're playing it safe to make money, I'm complaining that they already setting fire to big piles of money and its all for nothing.
 
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Look up tiny toons on youtube and chances are the top result will be the trailer for the new show. Even if you add something like say...tiny toons clips, or tiny toons party at Hamptons. The top result will ALWAYS be a trailer for tt 2023.

Is that how desperate Warner is for this to be a success? That they'll bury the classic tiny toons in a shallow grave if it means using it as a foundation to hold up the new one.
 
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A Grey Cat said:
Look up tiny toons on youtube and chances are the top result will be the trailer for the new show. Even if you add something like say...tiny toons clips, or tiny toons party at Hamptons. The top result will ALWAYS be a trailer for tt 2023.

Is that how desperate Warner is for this to be a success? That they'll bury the classic tiny toons in a shallow grave if it means using it as a foundation to hold up the new one.
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It's the algorithm that explains why the search results are like this. If you search "original Tiny Toons," then you'll probably get the clips from the original series. Still, the new Tiny Toons is going to be a failure.
 
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TVBForever said:
It's the algorithm that explains why the search results are like this. If you search "original Tiny Toons," then you'll probably get the clips from the original series. Still, the new Tiny Toons is going to be a failure.
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Fair point but still..it does Reek of desperation when companies do that. Try and astroturf it all you want Warner the launch of tiny toons 2023 I'd gonna go as smoothly as the launch of Apollo 1.
 
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A Grey Cat said:
Even in the west animators are treated like shit. I think the only people who have it worse are public school teachers, amd like teachers they put the most bare bone effort into the job because it wouldn't make their lives any better if they did anything more.
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You don't know how right you are. Notice you don't hear much about american animators in mainstream because unless you earned tenure from the golden age (hello James Baxter) your dream animation job is given to the almond eye sweatshops. It's all design, storyboard, supervision or assisting.

Oilspill Battery said:
This is the biggest waste of corporate money in history and its not even being used to forward the medium in any significant capacity.
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Why do you think they're "trying" to fight AI from taking the writing jobs? They want to move on to the art jobs. The bottom of the barrel is where the bottom line lies. 🚬

Papa stink said:
What the fuck is with this recent thing about cartoon characters having panic attacks? A lot of this seems to be mental health fetishists confusing fear for panic attacks but I'm hearing about this shit being in the new spiderverse.
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Anonitolia said:
where are you hearing that?
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Papa stink said:
Shit, I may be wrong, I'm not good at keeping up with animation news outside of what I hear from this thread.
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Perhaps you saw the newest trailer for the Teenage Kraken movie that has just that being said as a joke, not played straight like in PIB2. (timestamped to 0:49)

Odd Opossum said:
It's not a trend, Puss in Boots: The Last Wish is the only one that did it, people acted weird about it and it became a joke to point out cartoon characters being scared/sad and saying they were having a panic attack.
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It's not a trend yet. There's definitely an uptick as if DreamWorks is doing what they do best which is trendset into the ground. Which means much like the other trends of old (toilet humor, token wheelchair characters, eviroMENTALists, inner monologue/diaries, reforming bullies, popular dance moves, extreme sports, California "dude" stereotypes, stronk whamon, sympathetic villains, liar reveals, meta "humor" and most recently gay weddings), it's about to get eye-rolling around here.
 
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