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[Fluoxetine Man]

The trailer for Nimona, based on a comic by She-Ra Netflix showrunner Stevenson has dropped recently.

'A new kind of hero'
Nigga what!? You're telling me the psychopath fantasying about killing and maiming innocent people because a princess was rude to her is the hero?! I'm guessing its too much to expect Nomona to go through an arc of not being a giant cunt in the original comic?

 

[thegooddoctor]

I want you all to know with the raise of AI and chatbots taking over, this Futurama joke will reach its ultimatum. It's like a fine wine or cheese finally aged to perfection:

Speaking of which:

The new trailer dropped and nobody seemed to notice, honestly I have no idea what to expect since It's so short but the animation is shockingly accurate and looks as good as the original series. I wasn't expecting that since all modern animation has become a poorly rigged puppet with just a few frames at this point. I can't say i have the biggest expectations but as long as It's competent I'll be happy.

 

[Betonhaus]

The trailer for Nimona, based on a comic by She-Ra Netflix showrunner Stevenson has dropped recently.

Oh I have that book!

I really don't see the series being good. Nimona was ok, but mainly because the comic came out in 2015 before things went hyper woke. The premise is interesting, as Nimona is a perfect shapeshifter who is capable of violating the laws of metaphysics of the universe, turning from an ant to a dragon with zero respect to the laws of matter or energy conservation. Over time she was revealed to have been treated in the past as a demon and experimented on which had emotionally scarred her, so she does not want anyone looking into her abilities much. When she is discovered by the corrupt government and captured and tortured/experiemnted on, she escapres by turning an extracted dna sample into a dragon and goes on a rampage.
her gender choices, race (when human), and political beliefs have absolutely NOTHING to do with her situation, something that I don't believe for a second the Netflix show will respect.

'A new kind of hero'
Nigga what!? You're telling me the psychopath fantasying about killing and maiming innocent people because a princess was rude to her is the hero?! I'm guessing its too much to expect Nomona to go through an arc of not being a giant cunt in the original comic?

She was pretty murder happy in the book too, but that was treated as a bad thing

 

[Fluoxetine Man]

She was pretty murder happy in the book too, but that was treated as a bad thing

Yeah, so no doubt Netflix will drop that for sure.

 

[Betonhaus]

Yeah, so no doubt Netflix will drop that for sure.

The being murder happy or the murdering being bad?

If anything, I'd like to see a series based on Digger by Ursula Vernon (the website the comic was hosted at is down and pushing viruses) or A Red Tail's Dream by Mina Sundberg - especially if the animators can respect the original artstyle while adapting it to animation without looking like shit.

Minna Sundberg has gone full christian so maybe Netflix wouldn't touch her with an eleven foot pole, though

 

[A Grey Cat]

all modern animation has become a poorly rigged puppet with just a few frames at this point.

Maybe it's a me thing but I just don't see why everyone complains so much about rigging animation. it's not like animation didn't have cheap stiff methods of cutting corners before rigging came along. What separates tweened movement from dragging a cell of the mystery machine across the background to give the impression it's driving? I'm legit asking to help see the forest for the trees.

and yes I am aware that. Almost (and in some cases exactly) a hundred years ago artists in the field of animation were doing amazing things with less technology than we have now, the fleschier bros superman, the rite of spring or hell pretty much everything about Disney's fantasia, the first feature length animated film with snow white.

 

[Fluoxetine Man]

The being murder happy or the murdering being bad?

That murdering is bad, especially if done by a stronk whaman!

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Minna Sundberg has gone full christian so maybe Netflix wouldn't touch her with an eleven foot pole, though

And to think then Netflix had touched some "Cuties"...
Edit: Btw, would Netflix give Mina Sundberg a pass if she was Muslim?

 

[TVB]

Speaking of which:

The new trailer dropped and nobody seemed to notice, honestly I have no idea what to expect since It's so short but the animation is shockingly accurate and looks as good as the original series. I wasn't expecting that since all modern animation has become a poorly rigged puppet with just a few frames at this point. I can't say i have the biggest expectations but as long as It's competent I'll be happy.

It still looks like shit. I mean fuck, we already got more topical episodes, the things the Comedy Central era has done. Fuck.

 

[Anonitolia]

'A new kind of hero'
Nigga what!? You're telling me the psychopath fantasying about killing and maiming innocent people because a princess was rude to her is the hero?! I'm guessing its too much to expect Nomona to go through an arc of not being a giant cunt in the original comic?

It's even funnier when you consider that Nimona (as depicted in the trailer) is the most generic stock "strong independent woman (with hints of manic pixie dream girl because she's young and young people are spastics)" protagonist eeeeever. As is her trailer, which is fucking embarrassing in how played-out it is. Imagine trying to pass that shit off as "unique"- the marketing department must've had a collective stroke trying to come up with anything better

Btw, would Netflix give Mina Sundberg a pass if she was Muslim?

yes, absolutely

 

[TVB]

It's even funnier when you consider that not only is Nimona (as depicted in the trailer) is the most generic stock "strong independent woman (with hints of manic pixie dream girl because she's young and young people are spastics)" protagonist eeeeever. As is her trailer, which is fucking embarrassing in how played-out it is. Imagine trying to pass that shit off as "unique"- the marketing department must've had a collective stroke trying to come up with anything better

Pretty much most of media 2010s onward. And I assume the people involved in this dreck was inspired by "classics" like Ghostbusters 2016, Oceans 8, Tomb Raider 2018, Terminator Dark Fate, Birds of Prey, Charlie's Angels 2019, Mulan 2020, Captain Marvel, the Star Wars sequel trilogy, Riverdale, Batwoman, the cancelled Batgirl movie, etc.

 

[Anonitolia]

Pretty much most of media 2010s onward. And I assume the people involved in this dreck was inspired by "classics" like Ghostbusters 2016, Oceans 8, Tomb Raider 2018, Terminator Dark Fate, Birds of Prey, Charlie's Angels 2019, Mulan 2020, Captain Marvel, the Star Wars sequel trilogy, Riverdale, Batwoman, the cancelled Batgirl movie, etc.

God dude remember when Ghostbusters 2016 was the worst this shit got in theatres?
The fact that you listed 10 other movies that've released since then with these puke-worthy politics overtaking any semblance of engaging plot or half-decent writing makes me borderline despondent
Not to mention that what you mentioned isn't even the half of it, especially if you include TV shows

 

[TVB]

Not to mention that what you mentioned isn't even the half of it, especially if you include TV shows

But I already included both CW's Riverdale and Batwoman and those are just the icing on the shitcake

 

[thegooddoctor]

Maybe it's a me thing but I just don't see why everyone complains so much about rigging animation. it's not like animation didn't have cheap stiff methods of cutting corners before rigging came along. What separates tweened movement from dragging a cell of the mystery machine across the background to give the impression it's driving? I'm legit asking to help see the forest for the trees.

and yes I am aware that. Almost (and in some cases exactly) a hundred years ago artists in the field of animation were doing amazing things with less technology than we have now, the fleschier bros superman, the rite of spring or hell pretty much everything about Disney's fantasia, the first feature length animated film with snow white.

Its not that big a deal as everyone makes it is but it is distracting, Netflix started this style of rigged characters with choppy animation with Bojack Horseman and F is for family, where the animation exists in a strange Uncanny Valley between cheasp flash and expensive network animation. You see it done too much because even in the 2010s we see far more fluid animation early on but from a certain point with most new series this has become the norm? Why? honestly I'm not going to complain about art styles because that's all taste but why does it have to be animated choppier?

The best example I could give is the latest Beavis and butthead season, the new episodes are mostly good, but the animation is far worse and choppier than even the 2011 series, Titmouse's tweening animation just looks irredeemably awful and I don't know why they have opted to use such cheap and cost cutting methods? is it laziness or can animators not cope with the straining work that goes into fully animating everything anymore? I get that it is a tough as hell job but why has this been normalized?

 

[Colon capital V]

Speaking of tweened animation, I just realized Clone High season 2 dropped today. Anyone checked it out yet?

 

[TVB]

Speaking of tweened animation, I just realized Clone High season 2 dropped today. Anyone checked it out yet?

No. And I never will.

The best example I could give is the latest Beavis and butthead season, the new episodes are mostly good, but the animation is far worse and choppier than even the 2011 series, Titmouse's tweening animation just looks irredeemably awful and I don't know why they have opted to use such cheap and cost cutting methods? is it laziness or can animators not cope with the straining work that goes into fully animating everything anymore? I get that it is a tough as hell job but why has this been normalized?

The new tweening animation style in the newer Beavis & Butthead episodes is so weird and bordering on distracting that it feels like a mishmash of Superjail and Metalocalypse and not like an actual Mike Judge cartoon. Having that said, it's still humorous at the end of the day all thanks to writing.

I'll say that you can do well with Flash animation, but you cannot excel by tweening. It does not work that way, and yet animators working within the industry are using this as the norm to do animation these days. It's beyond retarded.

 

[Colon capital V]

>Ghandi's not coming back this season
Okay yeah, I'm not wasting my time watching this "how do you do fellow kids" schlock if streetshitters are still THIS MAD about their le heckkin wholesum pacifisterino being portrayed as an endearing spaz.

 

[Betonhaus]

Speaking of tweened animation, I just realized Clone High season 2 dropped today. Anyone checked it out yet?

I never even watched the original seasons.

At this point I'm going to assume the worst of EVERYTHING that's a remake or continuation or adaptation of something that was good ten years ago. Even Totally Spies I don't plan to get my hopes up, they might make them feminists or kill one or more of them off and replace them with diversity characters that make their race their primary identity.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Re: Shrek from yesterday, it made waves that was considered refreshing and resonated with the audience to the point of winning the first Best Animated Feature award (because 2001 was when that clause was officially activated after 10 years of the Academy huffing over Beauty and the Beast getting nominated for Best Picture) and that's why it's still remembered to this day. The problem is that out-of-touch studio executives didn't actually "get" the true appeal of Shrek which wasn't just about shitting all over Disney and making pop culture references, it was about breaking the mold and pushing the envelope as to what could be acceptable to animated family films. It was about giving the loser everyday man with low self-esteem a power fantasy because if an ugly bastard like Shrek was able to make it with a princess (who didn't exactly act like a real princess), then by golly you can do it too if you put your mind to it. Same with the tomboys who despite getting "representation" throughout the '90s still acknowledged that princess phase every girl has and how it's not the end of the world if such a fairytale dream doesn't go according to plan.

Sadly, even DreamWorks didn't seem to realize what it was going through when they shut down their traditional animation department, but they had always stayed true to that "rebellious" phase of making unique anti-heroes and no-nonsense dames from the beginning.

Meanwhile, studios were considering leaving 2D behind way before Shrek because of Toy Story's unfathomable success. Shrek just stands out for being the "anti-Disney" and rubbing it in Disney's faces that it won an award over all of those beloved Disney movies when it's the goddamn Academy's fault in the first place. They didn't even give Snow White a nomination either, mind you, the cute Seven Dwarfs Oscar statues was just for show, it's not a real official award to celebrate the movie for its ambitiousness.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

The trailer for Nimona, based on a comic by She-Ra Netflix showrunner Stevenson has dropped recently.

This looks like some gave a 12 year old's deviant art OC its own netflix series. Talent truly is irrelevant in modern day and age, nepotism reigns supreme.