Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[WhatIsThePunchline]

@mindlessobserver
The eastern flank of Europe will start shitting itself. Where before they were often the hardest resistance to EU Overreach, now they will happily hop on that dick. The EU may even get its dearest wish, the ability to form the Union Army the French have been masturbating about for the last three decades. The US Military Industrial complex would likewise be given new life, along with all the three letter agencies and their glowies who will have guaranteed jobs until retirement. Probably to deal with all the "Free Thinkers" on the internet who support Russia.

All of this shit has already happened.

There is also the question as to whether or not life will improve for the Ukrainians? What happens next for the people of Ukraine if Russia wins would be grim. You don't see that question being asked in the cope thread, they are still huffing their own farts about how this war is a liberation. Considering the amount of vitriol from even them, let alone Russian nationalists, I would say if there isn't another Hohol-Holodomer, that would be the best people in Ukraine could hope for.

The Ukrainan people were fucked the moment the war started.

 

[Ghostse]

Ukrainian seaborne drones hit Russian reconnaissance vessel, the Ivan Khurs.

Hit? What do you mean hit? I see that drone pulling up beside that Russian ship (which is clearly a gayop deepfake) and then the video de-rezing due to Russia's impenetrable home-build ECM platform that protects its ships. There is video of one of the drones getting CIWS'd, so clearly this is Ukrainian cope about how Russia capturing on of their $30 million drones is totally not a big deal. Big Win for Russia here.

The Ivan Khurs never took any damage, and if it did take damage it would only be because some of the crew were feeling so good after BTFO out of all of Ukraine's naval drones that they went down to have a smoke and caused a fire in the engine room.

The level of fake news and cope in this thread is astounding; if Ukraine had managed to hit a Russian ship with drones, the 100% accurate and truthful Russian MoD releases would address it.

 

[mindlessobserver]

While funny, I doubt the drone actually killed the ship. Probably fucked up the propeller though.

 

[Ghostse]

While funny, I doubt the drone actually killed the ship. Probably fucked up the propeller though.

TBF, the Neptunes didn't sink the Muscova. The crew's failure at damage control did.

 

[Uranus Pink]

While funny, I doubt the drone actually killed the ship. Probably fucked up the propeller though.

Having the propeller(s) getting rekt, and even worse the prop shaft(s) in a combat zone. Is a surefire way for the next succeeding attack to sink the ship.

 

[jalopy]

Is one of the Russian carrier group tugboats available?

The hit point looks fore of the rear. Found this photo claiming to be of the Ivan being rolled out:

It looks at though the drone blew right at the prop. Not sure how much of the concussive would have reached down into the water though.

 

[Ghostse]

I was wondering if going after the ship might give us clues about Ukraines plans, but Ivan Khurs is a SIGINT collecting ship (I thought it might have been one of the Russian amphibious assault ships). So very lightly armed and not a huge strategic asset. So probably just a target of opportunity and unlikely to affect much, regardless of damage.

I read it was hit near the Bosporus, which if true is one hell of a USV range.

The other big thing internet spergs have notices is that not all of the defensive gun mounts were manned. And that is why I'm pretty sure this is legit.

 

[Not At All A Lizard]

I was wondering if going after the ship might give us clues about Ukraines plans, but Ivan Khurs is a SIGINT collecting ship (I thought it might have been one of the Russian amphibious assault ships). So very lightly armed and not a huge strategic asset. So probably just a target of opportunity and unlikely to affect much, regardless of damage.

I read it was hit near the Bosporus, which if true is one hell of a USV range.

The other big thing internet spergs have notices is that not all of the defensive gun mounts were manned. And that is why I'm pretty sure this is legit.

My guess would be that ships like that would be relevant to Russia's target acquisition when they lob their missiles at Odessa or Kherson or anywhere else around the sea. I doubt either side will do much landing anytime soon, so currently information warfare seems about as relevant as any. They might want to gain the edge, with NATO also camping more recon planes over the Black Sea recently, it could potentially become a real strong point.

Also if you have water drones you may as well use them, ships make juicy PR.

 

[Climaxing Sunset]

I’m amazed that we have shills like Ryan Dawson making streams and videos floating about the “Ukrainian Nazis” being defeated in Bakhmut

After 20,000 Wagnerite casualties (yes many were prisoners but they still have families) and Russian failures in Kherson.

Fraudson lives a comfy life in Korea whilst shitting on Ukrainians and calling Natzees for defending their homeland. Total jackass

 

[Ghostse]

My guess would be that ships like that would be relevant to Russia's target acquisition when they lob their missiles at Odessa or Kherson or anywhere else around the sea. I doubt either side will do much landing anytime soon, so currently information warfare seems about as relevant as any. They might want to gain the edge, with NATO also camping more recon planes over the Black Sea recently, it could potentially become a real strong point.

Also if you have water drones you may as well use them, ships make juicy PR.

Potentially; looks like it mainly a SIGINIT sniffer which would would have limited utility in the current operational space, given Russian ships have to operate far from the coast due to neptunes/harpoons and these ships don't have any anti-missile capabilities. SIGINT sniff/process Capabilities are secret, but I doubt its go the ability to give coordinates to Russian command from out at sea.

According to Russian reports (that haven't been contradicted by Ukraine that I've seen) they were camping out at the Bosporus which puts them well outside of any useful intercepts, and it was probably just monitoring the grain ships.
But hey, if its there and the crew is sleeping, go ahead and put it into dry dock for a couple months, why not.

And regarding the landing ships, I think I forgot to tie that thought together:
The Russian amphibious assault boats are very useful for ground support even if they aren't carrying troops. They can launch ground-attack missiles, anti-air missiles, have RADAR and CIWS anti-missile ssytems. The larger ones have some guns that could attack the shore to decent effect. This could be very important if Ukraine is pushing into Crimea.

 

[mindlessobserver]

The other big thing internet spergs have notices is that not all of the defensive gun mounts were manned. And that is why I'm pretty sure this is legit.

Why man your posts in a combat zone when you could be drinking? Ahhhh, the Russian military is a magic thing.

In other news, the reports of Zalushny's death were premature. The man looks tired as fuck though. This is a youtube reupload of a telegram video.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

More video from the Ivan Khurs strike is showing up.

And I saw another one from some civilian tankers, with a large plume of fuel oil burning in the distance, but the video won't post for some reason.

Also, Ukraine has a new armored gunboat; the "Bucha". This thing has ATGMs along with guns, even depth-charge racks.

 

[Coffee Mugshot]

Apparently the Russians and the Ukrainians are both accusing each other of planning a false flag nuclear accident at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. The GUR says the Russians are planning it in order to get a cease-fire imposed because they're scurred of the Ukie counter offensive.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Apparently the Russians and the Ukrainians are both accusing each other of planning a false flag nuclear accident at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. The GUR says the Russians are planning it in order to get a cease-fire imposed because they're scurred of the Ukie counter offensive.

I'd be curious how Russia could make that stick since the IAEA is present at the facility. The only way they could pull it off would be to keep the inspectors out of the control room or reactor room. Would be intensely convenient for Russia to prevent them access to critical facilities and then there is a "perfidious Ukrainian Sabotage".

Its more scare mongering. Russia is probably implying if Ukraine pushes into Zaporizhia they blow the reactors open. "Totally not a nuclear weapon detonation guise! Tragic accident!". Somehow I don't think it will work out the way they think it will.

 

[Coffee Mugshot]

I'd be curious how Russia could make that stick since the IAEA is present at the facility. The only way they could pull it off would be to keep the inspectors out of the control room or reactor room. Would be intensely convenient for Russia to prevent them access to critical facilities and then there is a "perfidious Ukrainian Sabotage".

Its more scare mongering. Russia is probably implying if Ukraine pushes into Zaporizhia they blow the reactors open. "Totally not a nuclear weapon detonation guise! Tragic accident!". Somehow I don't think it will work out the way they think it will.

GUR says Russia plan(ned) to attack the ZPP during a shift change of IAEA personnel and create some kind of disaster that would invite international intervention. I haven't seen the Russian claims, just heard that they happened from random OSINT twitter accounts. I imagine some kind of false-narrative inverse e.g. Ukraine is losing, needs a cease fire.

https://twitter.com/DI_Ukraine/status/1662187819240964139
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[Pocket Dragoon]

Drone recovering an Orlan-10 which crashed in a minefield.

And Magyar with his new toy. Knowing these guys, it'll be turned into something like a fucking Skynet killer-drone already. The canopy & pilot's head could be replaced with a camera for flight, and laser/IR optics for targeting installed underneath. Like a (turbojet) Bayraktar they have at home, even requiring two operators (flight & targeting). Imagine this thing firing those nifty laser-guided Hydra rockets, or dropping grenades etc with GPS/laser-guidance kits. It's insane where miniaturization has taken us.

Spoiler

Lastly, a Russian-sourced update on the Ivan Khurs condition, other than "is fine".

 

[mindlessobserver]

Lastly, a Russian-sourced update on the Ivan Khurs condition, other than "is fine".

Well, it does say the blast got into the "engine room" and killed a couple dudes. That's actually a Mission Kill. The ship won't sink, but its certainly adrift and will need a tow. Hopefully they don't fuck it up like they did the Moscow. Even if they get it back to port, its not going to be fixed any time soon.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Well, it does say the blast got into the "engine room" and killed a couple dudes. That's actually a Mission Kill. The ship won't sink, but its certainly adrift and will need a tow. Hopefully they don't fuck it up like they did the Moscow. Even if they get it back to port, its not going to be fixed any time soon.

There's already video & stills circulating of the boat pulling into Sevastopol, supposedly undamaged, and at least under it's own power.
Official Ukrainian source
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On May 24, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation published a statement about the attack on the Ivan Khurs ship and the successful interception of all unmanned surface vessels.

However, the very next day, May 25, footage appeared online showing at least one unmanned surface vessel breaking through the ship’s defenses and hitting its side. The video caused a stir in society and led to a wave of “fake” videos with an intact ship on a raid or when entering a port, which actually turned out to be the footage from past years.

Today, on May 26, the Russian media published a video featuring the entry into the Sevastopol Bay of the project 18280 ship, which, allegedly, is the Ivan Khurs ship.

Also, the left side of the reconnaissance vessel is not visible on the video, though the angle of list is not noticeable either, which could indicate that some of the compartments were flooded. The ship moved to the port under its own power.

 

[mindlessobserver]

There's already video & stills circulating of the boat pulling into Sevastopol, supposedly undamaged, and at least under it's own power.

Quick glance at the specs of the ship and it apparently has two diesel engines. If the Russians follow standard maritime engineering procedure, which I am sure even they are not dumb enough not too, then under normal circumstances each engine works in tandem with the other to power its own individual screw to provide maximum propulsion. However, this being a warship intended to take hits, there will be a bypass allowing for one engine to power both screws in case the other engine is knocked off line for whatever reason.

So its not surprising it could make it back "under its own power" if only one engine bloc was taken out. Of course its not going anywhere any time soon. Nobody is going to put a warship to sea with a fucking hole in it and one of its engines destroyed. This also ain't like replacing an engine block on a Lada either. The engine block of a warship is fucking HUGE. You ain't getting that sucker into the ship through the front door (assuming they even have a spare, X to doubt). The new engine will need to be built and then they are going to have to cut the ship apart to get it into the repaired engine room and then rebuild the ship around it. This will take at least a year if they rush it. For comparison, the similar attack on the USS Cole knocked the ship out of service for an entire year, and in that case it was just structural damage, not a direct hit to the engine compartment.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Occupied-Azovstal was hit by two "powerful explosions", Friday evening, possibly killing and trapping many Russian soldiers present:

Local workers have apparently been bused in to clear through the wreckage: